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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Orange Blossom Special Back up?


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BanjoGeek - Posted - 02/07/2007:  08:10:34


Dear Aunt Bluegrass,

On Orange Blossom Special -- what do you do for backup during the dreaded E chord (assuming you play it in the same key we do.) If you don't, and aren't sure what chord I'm talking about, it is that chord from hell where the fiddle player gets to screw with you as long as he wants before walking down into the verse.

Our fiddle player likes to torture us, and I really can't keep it up that long. I'm a newbie, and am hanging on by my teeth trying to roll that fast anyway, much less for several minutes on the same chord. I actually don't do bad once we start changing chords, it is just that constant E before there is really any drive to keep up with.

Please Help,
Bummed in Bryant

My laptop has five strings.
Chuck

axsis - Posted - 02/07/2007:  08:47:06


Hahahaha Chuck!...funny post........but I don't play well enough to add anything........I know the part you mean..........I TOO...am anxious to see how some of the great players in here handle that part!

"Mama Don't allow no Banjo pickers around here"!

Texasbanjo - Posted - 02/07/2007:  10:41:11


Don't even try to do rolls while the fiddler is messing around, just do a vamp on the off beat -- it gets boring, but you CAN keep up by vamping -- and besides that, you don't need to do rolls and possibly step on what the fiddler is trying to do. Vamps will work.


Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo

gottasmilealot - Posted - 02/07/2007:  12:16:17


I'm not sure what you mean, but I like to do a rolling backup that's heavy on the alternating bass to add that steady train chugging type of feel to the song, and the fiddler just goes off on a spasm. It works good if there's more than one banjo too.. One does the steady backup while the better player can get spastic

At the one jam I go to, the fiddler usually always ends the jam with that song, because it's so demanding. It's a real crowd pleaser.

I like the fiddle tunes that park on the one chord a while, because it really allows a lot of backup options.

Keith


Edited by - gottasmilealot on 02/07/2007 12:19:13

crowestyle - Posted - 02/07/2007:  16:02:50


I agree with TexasBanjo. For the most part stay out of the way and vamp. It's the fiddle players time to shine, so let him/her go with it without distracting from them. You can throw in a roll every once in a while, but for the most part, just do something simple.

"I don't have a girlfriend, I just know a girl who would get really mad if she heard me say that."- Mitch Hedberg

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beegee - Posted - 02/07/2007:  18:27:40


I do a variety of train sounds all up and down the neck. I use a regular D7 with with an F# on the 4th string, with a backwards roll. Gee, I just picked up my banjo and tried to see how many different backup licks I use...I use so many it would be hard to write them all down, but they include chokes, chimes, hammers, Devil's Dream-position D, Reno-type chord slides, boogie-woogie licks. I think you just find all the E-chords all over the neck and work them to death. I do use a caop on the 2nd fret and sometimes will use my boring D-tuners to do some Reuben-esque rolls in the D-tuning 2nd fret capoed which = E. I do a Carl Jackson type lead break on OBS. It's just not quite as good as Carl does it.

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A broken clock is right twice a day....

Grifton NC

Couchie - Posted - 02/07/2007:  21:05:27


Listen to Carl Jackson. He has a lot of ideas for OBS.

Don.

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crowestyle - Posted - 02/08/2007:  17:15:03


quote:
Originally posted by beegee

I do a variety of train sounds all up and down the neck. I use a regular D7 with with an F# on the 4th string, with a backwards roll. Gee, I just picked up my banjo and tried to see how many different backup licks I use...I use so many it would be hard to write them all down, but they include chokes, chimes, hammers, Devil's Dream-position D, Reno-type chord slides, boogie-woogie licks. I think you just find all the E-chords all over the neck and work them to death. I do use a caop on the 2nd fret and sometimes will use my boring D-tuners to do some Reuben-esque rolls in the D-tuning 2nd fret capoed which = E. I do a Carl Jackson type lead break on OBS. It's just not quite as good as Carl does it.

_________________________________________
A broken clock is right twice a day....

Grifton NC



I think he's asking more about backing up the fiddle.

"I don't have a girlfriend, I just know a girl who would get really mad if she heard me say that."- Mitch Hedberg

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JoeZ - Posted - 02/08/2007:  18:01:18


Blasphemous though it may be, there's a Keith Urban lick that sounds kinda' cool. I'll try to explain it. Make your "D" chord (you've got your capo at 2) with the 3rd fret second string (left hand ring finger), and 2nd fret third string (left hand middle finger). That leaves the open first and fourth (2 nice droning "D" notes) strings. Strum (you'll work up your own rolls or picking pattern) and hammer on that 2nd fret third string while you strum. Use a rhythm "one,hold, and two" (somebody help me here - in real music talk dotted eighth, two sixteenths. Cool sound. And, all the modern country music fans will perk up and wonder what you're playing ("Who Wouldn't Want to Be Me" - if you must know). Just a thought.

BanjoGeek - Posted - 02/08/2007:  23:34:44


Wanted to chime in and thank everyone for their suggestions so far. You are right crowe -- I'm trying to back up the fiddle's long winding trip into the E chord wilderness. Right now the guitar player beats away on the E and I roll it as fast as I can. I'm mainly looking for anything to help me keep up, as rolling on that E chord just starts slipping after a minute or two. Vamping -- as TB suggests might help some, and changing chord positions on my E might help to.

I'm going to have to read Joe's suggestion a few more times

My laptop has five strings.
Chuck

gottasmilealot - Posted - 02/09/2007:  00:13:42


There's no reason not to ask the fiddler what he/she prefers. They'll appreciate your interest in improving the sound without overpowering them. You'll probably get different answers from different fiddlers, as you see you are getting here with banjo players, but it can't hurt. Also, you might get a different answer if your frailing vs. picking. The same thing applies to other tunes like Sally Goodin', etc..

Keith

beegee - Posted - 02/09/2007:  09:56:31


Crowestyle. That's what all the backup licks are for...backing up the fiddle.

quote:
to see how many different backup licks I use
Ya gotta do something interesting while the fiddle does all the stupid train stuff. I try to echo the fiddle and try to do little fills to break the monotony. You just can't sit back there and chug rhythm. I sometimes play counter to everybody else by doing downbeat punches rather then upbeat "oom-pahs." Sometimes, I'll even stop playing for several bars and then jump back in with something different. After 15-20(hyperbole) minutes of doing backup, ya gotta take a lead break just to keep the fiddler in line. The backup is made to enhance the fiddler's squawking and shuffling. After all the pecking and such, you then match the fiddle's run into the figure-8 shuffle part, mostly emphasizing the downhill run from the E chord into the A chord.

BTW, I play OBS on the fiddle more often than on the banjo and I sing the verses. It's tough for most fiddlers to pay attention to anything else so a banjo or mandolin or even a guitar picker can take a lead break. I even like for the bass player to take a break.

_________________________________________
A broken clock is right twice a day....

Grifton NC

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