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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Verifying a 2002 Gibson RB-3 Wreath authenticity and condition issues


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krfoss - Posted - 11/13/2025:  13:43:08


Hi everyone,

I came across this 2002 RB-3 Wreath inlay Gibson. I checked it out and it was tucked away in the back of a collectors shed, and by the looks of it the banjo needs some attention.

My questions are whether or not it is legit, and whether there are things I should be looking out for. I'm new to Gibson banjos, so I dont know what to expect. The tone ring has holes and has a "gibson" stamp, and the tailpiece has a Gibson stamp. Hardware looks like its never been polished, but thats not a deal breaker. Non original case too.

My main concerns
1) The rosewood fretboard seems very dry by the looks of it, and it seems to have some gaps between the wood and inlays. Is this just dry wood, a quality control issue from Gibson, or typical of these banjos

2) the rings on the resonator dont fully meet (see picture). Is this quality control issue again from Gibson, or is this an aftermarket resonator?

3) Tuners say "McPeake." I've never heard of them, but google seems to suggest there are some tuners by this name. Are they any good, or worth replacing.

Do you all see anything else here that I should be concerned about? He's asking $2700.









 

tdennis - Posted - 11/13/2025:  17:41:26


Try to post a clear pic of any shell stamps, & add a pic of the interior label.

krfoss - Posted - 11/13/2025:  17:53:34


Unfortunately this zoomed in picture is the best I can do for now. The guy does not take pictures of things for some unknown reason, and I forgot to get a clear picture of it.



 

The Old Timer - Posted - 11/13/2025:  19:22:59


If you're buying a banjo based just on photos, you shouldn't be trying to buy a Gibson since you're unfamiliar with them. What about this banjo attracts you? Is the guy seriously trying to sell it to you or not? He should fall over himself to provide photos. How far away is the banjo from you? Can you look at it in person?

I can't make out the serial #. Can you?

There should be a visible "Gibson" brand cast into the underside of the flange near the neck heel, definitely check for that. Gibson stamp in the tone ring is a good sign. The poor fitting of the marquetry rings on the back of the resonator is not critical, but not Gibson's best work either.

IN GENERAL it looks like a "wreath" RB 3, yes. The loose Gibson sticker inside the rim could be loose because of how it's been stored, but it would be nice to see a clear photo of it, face on.

The tuners are most likely good quality. Curtis McPeake traded in vintage Gibsons and had a number of good quality parts (tone rings for instance) made to his specs. If this is a real RB 3, the previous owner could have "upgraded" to McPeake tuners -- I don't think the were ever Gibson factory installed.

A "dry" looking fingerboard is not a huge deal. But the inlays shouldn't look sloppy. Gibson's neck supplier in the 2000s is well known and good quality. I believe they used CNC routing. My Gibsons of that vintage have nice tight, clean looking inlays. Hard to tell from your photos if the inlays look sloppy.

If this is a real RB 3, then the issue comes down to how much you LIKE IT (appearance, feel, playability and sound) and THE PRICE. In general, RB 3s of this vintage seem to have asking prices in the $3000s.

Oh, and the case had better be in fine condition too.

heavy5 - Posted - 11/14/2025:  03:20:45


A collectors shed ?

This whole post smells non orig Gibson to me


Edited by - heavy5 on 11/14/2025 03:25:40

Old Hickory - Posted - 11/14/2025:  07:34:23


I'm concerned about the misaligned purfling rings and the mismatch of the neck and resonator color.



I would need someone who knows this era to comment on whether Gibson QC let some like that out of the factory.



Also, when I enlarge the fretboard photos, the fret work does not look like original Gibson to me. Gibson frets end at the intersection of the fretboard and binding and have binding nibs on their ends. These frets appear to span the binding. This could either indicate (1) a re-fret of a genuine Gibson neck (because it's easier to lose the binding nibs than keep them) or (2) a non-Gibson neck. I don't know if there's any way to tell from the photo what this is. BUT, I'd go back to color. Is the back of the neck the expected color of a  2002 RB-3 wreath?



The tuners do not concern me too much. Could just be that a previous owner preferred the look of offset tuners like Gibson used to use and the McPeake's may be better than what was originally on these.



Gibson-stamped tone ring and tailpiece are good signs. The rim looks right to me, though I can't tell for sure if the serial number starts with a "3" which I believe it should under the numbering system in use at the time.



In all, too many questions. I'd be hesitant to buy this without seeing it in person.



 

krfoss - Posted - 11/14/2025:  11:03:14


Yes the serial does start with a 3 and it can be seen more clearly in the pictures when I mess with the contrast.

Given the amount of questions and condition issues I think I will be passing on this. I was hoping for a more mid range toned banjo but I already have a Deering golden wreath, so this would be a side step perhaps. I’ll just try to adjust the Deering voice to get more of what I want.

I appreciate all the feedback from everyone. Given the amount of fake Gibsons out there, I wanted to check here first. If it were significantly cheaper I’d probably go for it and take the risk, but I’ll pass for now.

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