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Mad Hornet - Posted - 09/20/2024: 09:31:11
Noticed on the way to work the western sky looked real dark. We haven't had rain in weeks and it wasn't supposed to today. Checked the radar and it was clear. Hmm. Went out to run an errand and from a different angle could see what appeared to be a huge billow of smoke rising from the southwest.
Come home for lunch and it smells like an electrical fire. I'm sniffing all around my jeep and I realize the smell is outside. We're in an extreme drought (outdoor burn ban in force) reservoirs are low and now this:
nbc4i.com/news/local-news/colu...junkyard/
We're about 20 miles downwind as the crow flies. My wife wants to take a walk but I don't think the air is safe to breathe. Ugh!
NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 09/20/2024: 10:20:19
Wow, Id get in the ol car and take a mini vaca 100 miles away.
Mad Hornet - Posted - 09/20/2024: 10:35:14
I like how the chief says "air quality remains okay". Can anyone ever tell the truth anymore OMG!! I will say the wind died down so the smell isn't so bad right now at least where we live. I used to work in that part of town though I would hate to be there now.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 09/20/2024: 11:10:12
We had a bad fire like that in our town and it's been 2 months and it's still a mess, water all over, debris still in place, water quality in doubt. Some of the home owners have had to leave their homes and find other accommodations due to the smell, the tainted water and the tainted air.
City and county are trying to help, but it's difficult to find anyone who will come and clean up the mess. Most clean up companies around here have bowed out.
Please be careful, watch your water if you're on a well and near enough for the runoff from the fire to seep down into it. Watch the air quality if you have any breathing problems.
I'm so glad that I live way across town from our problem and my heart goes out to those who are having to deal with the mess we have.
Mad Hornet - Posted - 09/20/2024: 12:17:52
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
We had a bad fire like that in our town and it's been 2 months and it's still a mess, water all over, debris still in place, water quality in doubt. Some of the home owners have had to leave their homes and find other accommodations due to the smell, the tainted water and the tainted air.
City and county are trying to help, but it's difficult to find anyone who will come and clean up the mess. Most clean up companies around here have bowed out.
Please be careful, watch your water if you're on a well and near enough for the runoff from the fire to seep down into it. Watch the air quality if you have any breathing problems.
I'm so glad that I live way across town from our problem and my heart goes out to those who are having to deal with the mess we have.
Thank you. We are on a well and up until now I've been more concerned it might dry up unless we get some rain.
Thinking through this scenario, the location of the fire is about 100' below us elevation wise and all the rivers that run through Columbus run south toward the Ohio River so I would think our water would be okay? But I will pay attention thank you.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/20/2024: 12:41:06
I grew up in the 1950’s, ‘60’s in a city that had 3 paper mills,, with a south wind we’d almost gag on the emission fumes. Many cancer patients and fatalities ,, my two sisters and myself had cancer.
“ There are around 100 pulp mills currently operating in the United States, and each year they emit roughly 23 million pounds of hazardous air pollutants, including benzene, mercury, and the potent carcinogen dioxin.”
Texasbanjo - Posted - 09/20/2024: 15:18:05
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
I grew up in the 1950’s, ‘60’s in a city that had 3 paper mills,, with a south wind we’d almost gag on the emission fumes. Many cancer patients and fatalities ,, my two sisters and myself had cancer.
“ There are around 100 pulp mills currently operating in the United States, and each year they emit roughly 23 million pounds of hazardous air pollutants, including benzene, mercury, and the potent carcinogen dioxin.”
Dave and I worked for a petrochemical company here for nearly 20 years and it made all sorts of nasty chemicals that were carcinogens. I sometimes wonder if that's what gave Dave his lung cancer. I'll never know for sure, but a lot of employees had cancer so it's possible.
So far it hasn't bothered me, but I didn't work out at the plants but uptown in the corporate offices.
Owen - Posted - 09/20/2024: 15:23:59
I'm not defending pollution/polluters, but I wonder when extrapolation is warranted. Nine kiddos in our [farm] family .... raised in beautiful west-central Man-ee-toe-bah with plenty of exercise and fresh air and a relatively straightforward diet [i.e. limited processed/convenience foods]. Four have succumbed to various cancers [one brother had 5 go-rounds] and two others have/have had one bout. One sister developed mesothelioma after working for quite a few years in an environment with asbestos.
I chalk up the three of us that haven't been afflicted, so far, as being rewarded for our good clean livin'. 
Edited by - Owen on 09/20/2024 15:30:13
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/20/2024: 15:30:32
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
I'm not defending pollution/polluters, but I wonder when extrapolation is warranted. Nine kiddos in our [farm] family .... raised in beautiful west-central Man-ee-toe-bah with plenty of exercise and fresh air and a relatively straightforward diet [i.e. limited processed/convenience foods]. Four have succumbed to various cancers [one brother had 5 go-rounds] and two others have/have had one bout. I chalk up the three of us that haven't been afflicted, so far, as being rewarded for our good clean livin'.
Some variables I'm curious about - did you spray pesticides & herbicides on your crops? & or did your neighbours spray? Were your sibs smokers or heavy drinkers? How was your well water? Was there a history of cancer in your ancestors?
Owen - Posted - 09/20/2024: 15:53:08
We, and some of our neighbors, did spray, but not anywhere near the extent that it's done today, and Dad found that he got pretty good weed control with rates for 2,4-D mucho reduced from what was recommended.* Only one sister ever smoked to any extent [dunno just how heavy / colon cancer] and none abused alcohol to any significant degree. Water was from a +/-80' dug well .... high iron content, although it got plenty of positive reviews (?) re. taste from visitors, relatives. I haven't much of an idea about ancestors' history.... though I don't recall any of my grandparents, or my father's or mothers siblings as having had cancer.
I'm thinking it was as low as 1/4 [he'd say that just a "whiff" seemed to do the job], but I'm not putting much $$ on that figure. Interestingly he sometimes equated the rapid, twisting, undifferentiated (?) growth of the weeds as them having cancer.
Edited by - Owen on 09/20/2024 15:55:39
Owen - Posted - 09/21/2024: 07:15:10
Chuck, I've been reconnoitering re. variables and extrapolation. Two of us are/were noticeably more religious (?) than the other seven. 100% of the two have had cancer, but only 57% of the seven. 
Edit: Fwiw, 'way back I did take a half-course in "introduction to statistics" or something like that.
Edited by - Owen on 09/21/2024 07:17:13
steve davis - Posted - 09/21/2024: 08:14:06
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
I'm not defending pollution/polluters, but I wonder when extrapolation is warranted. Nine kiddos in our [farm] family .... raised in beautiful west-central Man-ee-toe-bah with plenty of exercise and fresh air and a relatively straightforward diet [i.e. limited processed/convenience foods]. Four have succumbed to various cancers [one brother had 5 go-rounds] and two others have/have had one bout. One sister developed mesothelioma after working for quite a few years in an environment with asbestos.
I chalk up the three of us that haven't been afflicted, so far, as being rewarded for our good clean livin'.
Did you use pesticides and herbicides such as "Roundup" on the farm,Owen?
Owen - Posted - 09/21/2024: 08:42:17
There's dozens, if not hundreds, so "such as" is a pretty wide brush.
I used RoundUp ... late 80s to late90s .... probably averaged out to about 50 acres [out of 240ish] per year ..... part of my rotation of breaking up pasture/hayland to put it into barley for a couple of years. [I also sprayed "fly spray" on the dairy cows on an as needed basis.]
My dad farmed pre-RoundUp .... mostly I recall 2,4-D and some Avadex [wild oats]. I also recall him "treating" seed wheat, in some years, with some sort of anti-fungus/blight/ergot/?? ... it was 60ish years ago.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/21/2024: 08:45:08
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
Chuck, I've been reconnoitering re. variables and extrapolation. Two of us are/were noticeably more religious (?) than the other seven. 100% of the two have had cancer, but only 57% of the seven.
Edit: Fwiw, 'way back I did take a half-course in "introduction to statistics" or something like that.
At the risk of getting booted off this august forum, I'll posit that your more religious siblings dwelt on the erroneous "punishing God" aspects of certain denominations,,, as you know, I like to focus on the positive ,,, like th old song says," aksenshoeayt the positive".
I would've never got cancer if'n I had've taken the doctor's advice and went for a colonoscopy 13 years ago. My "over-positivity" that I was bulletproof landed me in hot water..
Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/21/2024 08:52:51
Owen - Posted - 09/21/2024: 09:00:16
Well, they were regular attenders at regular/mainstream/?? denominations ... dunno just what role a "punishing God" plays/played. So far I've managed well enough doing without......... though I have been in churches for weddings and funerals. And also had several meals a nice restaurant that a couple in this area operated in a church they'd bought/moved/re-purposed* ... so surely that counts for something.
* - was gonna use "converted," but thought it might contravene the "no religion" rule.
Edit: How does a colonoscopy prevent cancer? My non-medical logic says that it detects it .... hopefully sooner rather than later.
Edited by - Owen on 09/21/2024 09:04:07
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/21/2024: 09:54:48
The colonoscopy detects polyps that can grow into cancer,, they nip them off. From what I’ve read most people have some cancer cells in their bodies, but their immune systems take care of them before they can spread. However, getting back to the main thrust of E. Palestine-ing , I believe a lot of the upsurge in cancer in the past few decades can be traced back to environmental issues.
"It takes approximately 10 years for a small polyp to develop into cancer. Family history and genetics — Polyps and colon cancer tend to run in families, suggesting that genetic factors are important in their development."
Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/21/2024 09:58:21
Owen - Posted - 09/21/2024: 11:52:33
This upsurge?? >>> From Cancer Canada: "Thus, although the number of new cancers diagnosed each year in Canada continues to increase because of the growing and aging population, the risk of developing the disease is declining."
From the solid-basis-for-extrapolation department: My sister-in-law [healthy, active, good diet, etc.] had colonoscopies according to whatever schedule her docs were recommending. Things were hunky-dory .... until they weren't. Removed part of colon. Things again hunky-dory. Then a recurrence that did her in. I guess colonoscopies only prevent cancer in certain people; apparently in [some] others it extends life by a few years, and in [some] others .... ??
I don't discount the effect of "environmental issues," but I do wonder about the propensity [by whoever] for simple explanations for complex issues.*
* - some we know we know, some we know we don't know, some we don't know ... etc., etc. Thank you very much Donald Rumsfeld.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/21/2024: 12:52:57
Sorry about your sister, Owen. I lost 2 sisters recently from cancer. It could be your sister’s recurrence was a fast-growing cancer that the colonoscopies, which are often scheduled every 3-5 years (maybe every year in her case) , didn’t catch in time. Once the cancer cells spread outside the colon (mine did) you’re on thinner ice (hice in Moan-ray-all).
No, I don’t subscribe to simple solutions to complex issues,, hence my pondering over banjo education and motivational seminars to encourage daily practice of at least one hour per day, divided up into 2 or 3 sessions, with total concentration - no distractions from political blather on the radio.
p.s. , as for the upsurge/downsurge , I'm now thinking that more screening and colonoscopies early on are lowering the numbers. From my balcony, I can't see it, but I've been reading about the new 1.4 billion dollar cancer centre that's just opened in Cowtown here.
Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/21/2024 13:05:33
steve davis - Posted - 09/22/2024: 07:28:42
Getting diagnosed as early as possible such as with a colonoscopy is key in a healthy outcome.
Early detection is of course important in surviving any kind of cancer.
A thorough medical history and regular testing is key.
There are of course fast-growing cancers that happen.
Edited by - steve davis on 09/22/2024 07:31:18
BanjoLink - Posted - 09/22/2024: 14:11:41
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
I'm not defending pollution/polluters, but I wonder when extrapolation is warranted. Nine kiddos in our [farm] family .... raised in beautiful west-central Man-ee-toe-bah with plenty of exercise and fresh air and a relatively straightforward diet [i.e. limited processed/convenience foods]. Four have succumbed to various cancers [one brother had 5 go-rounds] and two others have/have had one bout. One sister developed mesothelioma after working for quite a few years in an environment with asbestos.
I chalk up the three of us that haven't been afflicted, so far, as being rewarded for our good clean livin'.
Did you use pesticides and herbicides such as "Roundup" on the farm,Owen?
There is no evidence that MSG (glutamate ..... Roundup) causes cancer. The fact that there have been some huge jury awards is not scientific evidence that Roundup caused the litigants cancer.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/22/2024: 14:31:58
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
I'm not defending pollution/polluters, but I wonder when extrapolation is warranted. Nine kiddos in our [farm] family .... raised in beautiful west-central Man-ee-toe-bah with plenty of exercise and fresh air and a relatively straightforward diet [i.e. limited processed/convenience foods]. Four have succumbed to various cancers [one brother had 5 go-rounds] and two others have/have had one bout. One sister developed mesothelioma after working for quite a few years in an environment with asbestos.
I chalk up the three of us that haven't been afflicted, so far, as being rewarded for our good clean livin'.
Did you use pesticides and herbicides such as "Roundup" on the farm,Owen?
There is no evidence that MSG (glutamate ..... Roundup) causes cancer. The fact that there have been some huge jury awards is not scientific evidence that Roundup caused the litigants cancer.
John, I hope this isn't a big tobacco scenario. Can you link us some articles supporting your claim?
ed. , I found this : "
The reason behind the ban is that according to the Cancer Agency of WHO, this herbicide can cause cancer. This year, individuals with non-Hodgkin lymphoma filed a lawsuit against glyphosate manufacturers, including Roundup. Experts have discussed the potential carcinogenicity of glyphosate in a recent nine-week trial. In January 2024, the case’s closing statements are expected. This lawsuit seeks to address health issues associated with glyphosate exposure.
What is the controversy?
The controversy stems from the alleged link between glyphosate and health risks, including worries related to carcinogenicity. While some studies indicate a connection, others contend the evidence is weak and patchy.
The International Agency for Research on Cancer of WHO categorises glyphosate as "likely to cause cancer in humans." This declaration sparked heated debate among agricultural scientists."
Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/22/2024 14:36:57
Owen - Posted - 09/22/2024: 15:39:15
I expect there are m-a-n-y chemicals that can cause cancer, so for me it's worthwhile to bear in mind "recommended rates."
IF glutamate is likely to cause cancer in me, why do we have some in our kitchen cupboard?
IF glyphosate is likely to give me cancer, why do I have some in the garage?
steve davis - Posted - 09/22/2024: 16:20:50
Roundup has been on bad lists since the 70s.There is still pressure to get it removed from the market.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/22/2024: 16:50:27
“I ain’t broke, but I’m badly bent”
It’s a testament to the human immune system that most of us are still alive, fcol.
Have you been behind an old car from the 50’s or ‘60’s lately? ,,,, the exhaust fumes are horrendous. We used to sit in traffic jams on the QEW back in the day breathing that stuff in on hot summer days with the windows rolled down.
Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/22/2024 16:53:39
Owen - Posted - 09/22/2024: 17:32:12
"..... with the window rolled down." sounds like an alternate version of the old joke, "It really hurts when I push right here, Doc ... etc."
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/22/2024: 17:39:43
Sheesh, Owen,, s. Ontario summers around the humid Great Lakes are often 90*F with 90% humidity. Back then it was cooler to have the windows down, nobody noticed or complained about the fumes cuz we were all “normalized” to it.
(fwiw, we used to smoke cigarettes with the windows down while yer friendly gas station guy filled’er up)
Owen - Posted - 09/22/2024: 19:30:34
The was in there ^^ for a reason.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/22/2024: 20:50:31
I figured was a ridiculing, mocking, trash-talking, gamesmanship putdown,,,, but I see I'm happily mistaken
Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/22/2024 20:52:24
Owen - Posted - 09/23/2024: 06:11:49
Thanks .... if I did those things, especially outside of what's-good-for-the-goose-etc. scenarios, it might befuddle people.
Edited by - Owen on 09/23/2024 06:12:28
BanjoLink - Posted - 09/23/2024: 07:50:06
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
I'm not defending pollution/polluters, but I wonder when extrapolation is warranted. Nine kiddos in our [farm] family .... raised in beautiful west-central Man-ee-toe-bah with plenty of exercise and fresh air and a relatively straightforward diet [i.e. limited processed/convenience foods]. Four have succumbed to various cancers [one brother had 5 go-rounds] and two others have/have had one bout. One sister developed mesothelioma after working for quite a few years in an environment with asbestos.
I chalk up the three of us that haven't been afflicted, so far, as being rewarded for our good clean livin'.
Did you use pesticides and herbicides such as "Roundup" on the farm,Owen?
There is no evidence that MSG (glutamate ..... Roundup) causes cancer. The fact that there have been some huge jury awards is not scientific evidence that Roundup caused the litigants cancer.
John, I hope this isn't a big tobacco scenario. Can you link us some articles supporting your claim?
ed. , I found this : "
The reason behind the ban is that according to the Cancer Agency of WHO, this herbicide can cause cancer. This year, individuals with non-Hodgkin lymphoma filed a lawsuit against glyphosate manufacturers, including Roundup. Experts have discussed the potential carcinogenicity of glyphosate in a recent nine-week trial. In January 2024, the case’s closing statements are expected. This lawsuit seeks to address health issues associated with glyphosate exposure.
What is the controversy?
The controversy stems from the alleged link between glyphosate and health risks, including worries related to carcinogenicity. While some studies indicate a connection, others contend the evidence is weak and patchy.
The International Agency for Research on Cancer of WHO categorises glyphosate as "likely to cause cancer in humans." This declaration sparked heated debate among agricultural scientists."
Chuck ..... I doubt the EPA is in bed with the chemical industry and of course it wasn't the EPA defending the Tobacco Industry, I don't think, so I think this is pretty valid. Everyone says follow the science ......... but many people only do when it agrees with their opinion. Hope this helps.
epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesti...lyphosate
BanjoLink - Posted - 09/23/2024: 07:52:46
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
Roundup has been on bad lists since the 70s.There is still pressure to get it removed from the market.
I'm not sure what "bad list" you are referring to, but am sure there are certain people that do not like it for some reason or another, I have used it ever since it came out in the 70's, so I hope I (along with the EPA) am right. This is the same article I sent Chuck.
epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesti...lyphosate
steve davis - Posted - 09/23/2024: 08:09:05
We can find any article we like that bolsters our opinion.
Roundup has been called a likely and dangerous carcinogen since the 70s for good reason.
Whether we agree or disagree has nothing to do with its danger.
Buddur - Posted - 09/23/2024: 09:41:26
The EPA is in bed with the chemical industry??? Noooooo! Certainly no lobbying going on either.
Kinda analogous to how the chemical industry is not in bed with agriculture industry.
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/23/2024: 09:44:24
Why do I always have the nagging notion that big business overrides government agencies….?
Mad Hornet - Posted - 09/23/2024: 11:10:56
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
Why do I always have the nagging notion that big business overrides government agencies….?
Because it absolutely IS! The government bureaucrats retire with fat pensions and take on lucrative jobs as execs at the companies they used to regulate. It's very incestuous and corrupt. And that hiring works in reverse as well. Banking, pharmaceuticals, military suppliers / contractors, etc. This isn't a democracy or a constitutional republic. It's an oligarchy of unelected bureaucrats and corporations. Elections are just a distraction.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 09/23/2024: 11:15:32
And let's be careful, we're headed into the political no-no type texts. Everyone knows it's against the rules.
steve davis - Posted - 09/23/2024: 13:28:43
There are many lawsuits in the works against Roundup.
BanjoLink - Posted - 09/23/2024: 16:50:58
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
There are many lawsuits in the works against Roundup.
So ....... anybody can sue anyone else for anything. It has nothing to do with scientific proof. You and many others here, including me, certainly believed the CDC regarding information during the last pandemic. Why do you not believe the EPA?
I say again, although people on here say "follow the science", what they are really saying is "follow the science that I agree with".
BanjoLink - Posted - 09/23/2024: 17:15:22
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
Why do I always have the nagging notion that big business overrides government agencies….?
Chuck, I think the bottom line is that many people, governments, etc. think it causes cancer but they have not been able to prove it. It was scheduled to be outlawed in Sri Lanka but it was put on hold. Ultimately, although they tried to link it with kidney disease, they found that the same kidney ailments were happening at the same rate prior to it being used.
steve davis - Posted - 09/24/2024: 09:26:24
Oh,those poor chemical companies being picked on by an unappreciative population.
Owen - Posted - 09/25/2024: 13:38:51
Apparently diesel exhaust is also "likely to be" carcinogenic. Which would be "better": a) spray the pasture/hayfield that's not producing well with Round-Up and then deep-till and double disc it [two passes with diesel tractor] or b) eschew the Round-Up and make 8 or 10 passes with the tillage equipment .... to get it to comparable state of "workability"? [And then factor in the quack grass that survives the cultivation-only treatment >> leading to a poorer crop and having to "work it up" more frequently than had Round-Up been used.]
...askin' for a friend.
Edited by - Owen on 09/25/2024 13:45:32
steve davis - Posted - 09/25/2024: 14:10:14
Captain Jack's Dead Weed Brew is well thought of among dozens of other choices for weed killers.
There are successful industrial vinegar products,too.
All tailored for specific applications.
There no way I'm using Round-up with its awful history.
It finally found some kind of study in 2020 that says it's ok if you follow the instructions.
Not ok with me with all the decades of thumbs down that preceded.
Owen - Posted - 09/25/2024: 17:04:38
It's almost 25 years since I've farmed, and admittedly, things change, and I've not attempted to keep up-t0-date, and since side-stepping seems the way to go ....
When I was farming the stories of vinegar-and-Dawn herbicide (?) made the rounds, but I never encountered even one real (?) farmer who ascribed to it. I did have one neighbour who decided to go farming [a hard-rock miner prior and then again afterward]. He tried vinegar one year .... and got weed control = diddly squat.
I wasn't aware of C.J.'s Dead Weed Brew so consulted the all-knowing Google. homedepot.com/p/Bonide-Captain...314858757 which mentions "...Intended for outdoor use on patios, walkways, driveways, foundations, fence lines, and around flower and vegetable gardens. Areas can be replanted 24 hours after application or as soon as desirable level of weed control is obtained. This concentrated product arrives ready-to-use. To use, shake well and spray directly onto unwanted weeds and grasses to the point of run off. Reapply every 2-3 weeks as needed." I don't see cropland listed, and anyway I have a wee bit of difficulty envisioning Mark across the back lane [one 200 ac. field of his +14,000 ac. total] shaking the bottle well and applying it every 2-3. weeks. Another website on CJDWB gave the pooh-poohable caution: "... when used according to directions."
And getting back to Mark [the guy with the field across the back lane] from the rates and prices I see for CJDWB, my sometimes questionable math comes up with about $464 per acre .... but I've heard that modern agric. isn't for the faint-of heart, so ....???
Edit: Another "according to label" tale. One year I used Avadex pre-emergent to combat wild oats in wheat. To ensure everything was well within the directions my dad was incorporating with harrows while I was still spraying. I had a bit extra in the tank, so "ran it out" in another field, but didn't get that bit incorporated until 'way past the time given in the directions... at least a day afterward. Got next-to-nothing for control in the field done according to Hoyle, and pretty much 100% on the 3 or 4 acre "afterthought." Go figure?!?!?
Edited by - Owen on 09/25/2024 17:19:25
BanjoLink - Posted - 09/25/2024: 17:05:02
quote:
Originally posted by Owen
Apparently diesel exhaust is also "likely to be" carcinogenic. Which would be "better": a) spray the pasture/hayfield that's not producing well with Round-Up and then deep-till and double disc it [two passes with diesel tractor] or b) eschew the Round-Up and make 8 or 10 passes with the tillage equipment .... to get it to comparable state of "workability"? [And then factor in the quack grass that survives the cultivation-only treatment >> leading to a poorer crop and having to "work it up" more frequently than had Round-Up been used.]
...askin' for a friend.
Owen ..... definitely option a. since there is no scientific evidence that it is a carcinogen. Just follow directions like you should when using any herbicide.
Mad Hornet - Posted - 09/25/2024: 19:58:40
Not a farmer but I do maintain a large garden. I don't use roundup any where near it. Tried vinegar and another organic herbicide for weed control. They work okay if it STAYS DRY. Any kind of rain brings the weeds back in full force however.
The only thing that works for real in those situations is good old fashioned hand pulling and / or getting them with a cultivator (got a long handle single blade that works well). It's a workout but it keeps me in shape. Also mulching helps keep the weeds down. But that's small scale. I don't know how the farmers do it without resorting to nasty chemicals.
steve davis - Posted - 09/26/2024: 06:44:53
I'm a supporter of our MOFGA (Maine Organic Farmers and Growers Association) which is approved by our Maine USDA.
Played music for them in the past and always buy "organic" when I go grocery shopping.
steve davis - Posted - 09/26/2024: 06:54:08
What does "E Palestine" mean?
Buddur - Posted - 09/26/2024: 07:35:15
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
What does "E Palestine" mean?
You've posted more than anyone else on this topic and NOW you are asking???
It is in reference to a village in northeastern Ohio where a train derailment last year released toxic chemicals. Remember?
steve davis - Posted - 09/26/2024: 08:59:56
Yes,I knew a train had derailed,but didn't remember what it was hauling.
Is there a prize for most posts on this subject?
chuckv97 - Posted - 09/26/2024: 09:41:17
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
Yes,I knew a train had derailed,but didn't remember what it was hauling.
Is there a prize for most posts on this subject?
Maybe, but don't give'em your address....
