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kyleb - Posted - 06/18/2024: 09:22:15
He doesnt want it to be known public-ally, so please if you do know, respect his wishes. There is a great facebook page now called sonnys granada, join that, direct connection to the owner. Theres really no good reason to know the name, just know that its in good hands, is getting oppurtunies to be played by the best and shared. Its not for sale or going to be soon, so knowing what names owns it is really just setting up the owner of a very valuable insturment for more problems and worries. Please respect his privacy.
Edited by - kyleb on 06/18/2024 09:27:09
Stevespickn - Posted - 06/18/2024: 09:51:40
The video by Lincoln says it will be played on shows so folks can still hear it. When that time comes., it will be known by the public. quote:
Originally posted by kylebHe doesnt want it to be known public-ally, so please if you do know, respect his wishes. There is a great facebook page now called sonnys granada, join that, direct connection to the owner. Theres really no good reason to know the name, just know that its in good hands, is getting oppurtunies to be played by the best and shared. Its not for sale or going to be soon, so knowing what names owns it is really just setting up the owner of a very valuable insturment for more problems and worries. Please respect his privacy.
kyleb - Posted - 06/20/2024: 07:30:43
quote:
Originally posted by StevespicknThe video by Lincoln says it will be played on shows so folks can still hear it. When that time comes., it will be known by the public. quote:
Originally posted by kylebHe doesnt want it to be known public-ally, so please if you do know, respect his wishes. There is a great facebook page now called sonnys granada, join that, direct connection to the owner. Theres really no good reason to know the name, just know that its in good hands, is getting oppurtunies to be played by the best and shared. Its not for sale or going to be soon, so knowing what names owns it is really just setting up the owner of a very valuable insturment for more problems and worries. Please respect his privacy.
follow this facebook.com/sonnys.banjo facebook page, it seems the owner is going to get it in the hands of various players.
account-deleted - Posted - 06/21/2024: 20:58:00
Crazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Texasbanjo - Posted - 06/22/2024: 04:29:49
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
I don't see anything crazy about wanting to keep the new owner a secret. It's really nobody's business who owns what and if those were Sonny's last wishes, who are we to disagree and call him crazy?
kyleb - Posted - 06/22/2024: 05:32:48
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Wondering what five you have that is worth quite a bit kore than Sonny's Granada? Would love to see it!
The Gibson Man - Posted - 06/23/2024: 01:53:44
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Yaa OK keep dreaming or you have been one to many times to the dispensary
account-deleted - Posted - 06/23/2024: 06:02:31
quote:
Originally posted by The Gibson Manquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Yaa OK keep dreaming or you have been one to many times to the dispensary
lol. Gibsons aren't he most variable banjos. I know you'd like for them to be. You can keep dreaming, too.
There is life beyond the boring flathead.
kyleb - Posted - 06/23/2024: 07:39:31
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by The Gibson Manquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Yaa OK keep dreaming or you have been one to many times to the dispensary
lol. Gibsons aren't he most variable banjos. I know you'd like for them to be. You can keep dreaming, too.
There is life beyond the boring flathead.
What banjo that you have that is worth more than 250k??? Honest question. Could you please enlighten me ?
Ira Gitlin - Posted - 06/23/2024: 08:03:10
quote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by The Gibson Manquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Yaa OK keep dreaming or you have been one to many times to the dispensary
lol. Gibsons aren't he most variable banjos. I know you'd like for them to be. You can keep dreaming, too.
There is life beyond the boring flathead.
What banjo that you have that is worth more than 250k??? Honest question. Could you please enlighten me ?
1. All-original flathead, one-piece-flange prewar Mastertone--greatly desired by bluegrass banjo players, and very rare.
2. Granada--a thing of beauty to many of us, and the model played by Earl Scruggs from 1949 until his death (though with substantial modifications.
3. Owned by one of the great bluegrass players.
kyleb - Posted - 06/23/2024: 08:34:07
Right.. that’s what I’m saying , juggernaut is making a claim that prewar five string flatheads aren’t the most valuable banjo and he owns a five that’s worth more than prewar flathead fives. I’m trying to find out what banjo that could possibly be. I personally havnt ever heard of any banjo other Gibson selling in the 200k range. So I’m just wondering what he’s talking about.
banjo1930 - Posted - 06/23/2024: 09:53:35
I’ve heard of original five string, flathead, one piece flange granadas (of which there are around 18 of) in original shape going for $250,000 to $350,000 (or less if they have “issues” like replacement parts, refinish, or repairs). I assume Sonny’s went for more than that. When he was living he told a few people I know that he had been offered $500,000 for it. I don’t know of any other banjo worth that much aside from Earl’s, but I do know some of the old five string, tenor, and plectrum banjos of the 20’s and 30’s can be quite rare and valuable (and very beautiful!). I could see the Consalvi banjo going for that much maybe.
Edited by - banjo1930 on 06/23/2024 10:08:26
kyleb - Posted - 06/23/2024: 10:08:28
quote:
Originally posted by banjo1930I’ve heard of original five string, flathead, one piece flange granadas (of which there are around 18 of) in original shape going for $250,000 to $350,000 (or less if they have “issues” like replacement parts, refinish, or repairs). I assume Sonny’s went for more than that. When he was living he told a few people I know that he had been offered $500,000 for it. I don’t know of any other banjo worth that much aside from Earl’s, but I do know some of the old tenor and plectrum banjos of the 20’s and 30’s can be quite rare and valuable (and very beautiful!). I could see the Consalvi banjo going for that much maybe.
I've heard of some high end plectrums and tenors getting up around 100k, and the consalvi banjo would likely hold a lot of value but that's not really one that should be in this discussion as it's not ever going to be available for purchase. I guess I'm skeptical that other banjos actually sell for more than the half million dollar Gibson sales. I'd love to hear what banjo juggernaut is talking about, educate me!
Edited by - kyleb on 06/23/2024 10:12:21
kyleb - Posted - 06/23/2024: 10:13:35
quote:
Originally posted by knewberrySonny"s Granada, Which Sonny, I don't know?
Well then you should probably just drop out of this discussion , famous banjo from the most famous Sonny to ever pick one.
banjo1930 - Posted - 06/23/2024: 10:27:00
quote:
Originally posted by knewberrySonny"s Granada, Which Sonny, I don't know?
The great Sonny Osborne
BanjoLink - Posted - 06/23/2024: 10:29:18
I would rather own the Scotland Granada than Sonny's. I think the purchase price was in the 400k+ neighborhood, as I understand a 400k offer was turned down. Sonny did say that he was offered 500k, but anyone could offer anything, but until a check is written, it does not mean anything, in my opinion. The question "will you take $500 for your Granada" is not necessarily an offer.
kyleb - Posted - 06/23/2024: 10:48:18
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Originally posted by BanjoLinkI would rather own the Scotland Granada than Sonny's. I think the purchase price was in the 400k+ neighborhood, as I understand a 400k offer was turned down. Sonny did say that he was offered 500k, but anyone could offer anything, but until a check is written, it does not mean anything, in my opinion. The question "will you take $500 for your Granada" is not necessarily an offer.
Back to juggernauts statement , have you heard of any other banjo that wasn't a Gibson selling for 400k or more ?? I've seen similar statements as juggernauts before that they exist, but I'm wondering what are they and who is buying them??!
Ellery - Posted - 06/23/2024: 11:01:42
@kyleb What a rude thing to say to someone taking a legitimate interest in this discussion. I sincerely hope nobody ever talks that way to you when you're trying to learn about something new.
-Ellery
quote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by knewberrySonny"s Granada, Which Sonny, I don't know?
Well then you should probably just drop out of this discussion , famous banjo from the most famous Sonny to ever pick one.
kyleb - Posted - 06/23/2024: 11:46:54
I suppose you’re right, I figured it was another Gibson hater , didn’t mean to be rude if it’s really a new person trying to learn.
BanjoLink - Posted - 06/23/2024: 15:05:20
quote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by BanjoLinkI would rather own the Scotland Granada than Sonny's. I think the purchase price was in the 400k+ neighborhood, as I understand a 400k offer was turned down. Sonny did say that he was offered 500k, but anyone could offer anything, but until a check is written, it does not mean anything, in my opinion. The question "will you take $500 for your Granada" is not necessarily an offer.
Back to juggernauts statement , have you heard of any other banjo that wasn't a Gibson selling for 400k or more ?? I've seen similar statements as juggernauts before that they exist, but I'm wondering what are they and who is buying them??!
I have never heard of another iconic brand selling for anywhere near what original Gibson flatheads sell for. If his argument is about the quality of some of the old Bacon's, Fairbanks, etc. that may be another argument. I have been collecting and playing banjos for about 50 years, and quite frankly, in spite of what a lot of people say or think, their quality was pretty darn good.
szbassoon - Posted - 06/23/2024: 16:09:35
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
It doesn't matter if it's a $3,000 banjo. If you're the owner and you want to keep the ownership of it to yourself, then that's your call. Simple as that.
account-deleted - Posted - 06/23/2024: 16:23:16
quote:
Originally posted by szbassoonquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…It doesn't matter if it's a $3,000 banjo. If you're the owner and you want to keep the ownership of it to yourself, then that's your call. Simple as that.
Alright. Don't care about your opinion here. Simple as that.
earl1948 - Posted - 06/23/2024: 16:36:36
Anything is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. Banjos are really no different. Someone once offered me a ridiculous amount of money for my old Gibson flathead. I immediately said, No. Later the same night the offered was raised. I never actually met the gentleman in question since his driver was going back and forth between the car and the jam session I was in. I finally told the driver that if I sold my banjo to his boss, then what would I play. I’d have to go out and try to find another one that sounds that good. No thanks, I’ll just keep what I already own.
Sometimes you like your banjo so much that money is not part of the discussion.
The Gibson Man - Posted - 06/23/2024: 16:51:26
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by The Gibson Manquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…
Yaa OK keep dreaming or you have been one to many times to the dispensary
lol. Gibsons aren't he most variable banjos. I know you'd like for them to be. You can keep dreaming, too.
There is life beyond the boring flathead.
Jugger I think NauT...but to each his own it's only as valuable as you want it to be or what it means to you
JSB88 - Posted - 06/23/2024: 23:30:52
quote:
Originally posted by szbassoonquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUCrazy he doesn’t want to be known. There are much more valuable banjos out there and the owners don’t mind people knowing who they are.
I’ve a 5 string worth quite a bit more than that banjo…It doesn't matter if it's a $3,000 banjo. If you're the owner and you want to keep the ownership of it to yourself, then that's your call. Simple as that.
Very salient and valid point. I agree. Thanks for posting
kyleb - Posted - 06/24/2024: 05:40:54
So just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
account-deleted - Posted - 06/24/2024: 09:43:46
quote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
There are zero high end Bacons for sale right now. Zero.
Any that may seem like it are reproductions. Fakes.
But I'm not talking about a plectrum.
Get your facts straight and don't assume.
account-deleted - Posted - 06/24/2024: 09:47:03
quote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
kyleb - Posted - 06/24/2024: 09:47:25
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
There are zero high end Bacons for sale right now. Zero.
Any that may seem like it are reproductions. Fakes.
But I'm not talking about a plectrum.
Get your facts straight and don't assume.
Are you claiming then that your 5 string bacon and day is worth more than $450,000????? and who are you claiming are the would be buyers at that price? Thats quirte the claim, i personally think youre in the 15k range, if im wrong, id like to see some kind of evidence.
Edited by - kyleb on 06/24/2024 09:48:22
kyleb - Posted - 06/24/2024: 09:57:31
quote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
I'm guessing youre talking about your 5 string b&d awesome banjo! But theres no way its worth 500k. Most bnd players want a tenor or a plectrum. The fact its five makes it rare, but rariety doesnt add 1000% to the value. A quick search foud a few other number 6 npus in tenor and plectrums for 5 to 10k. Heres one thats been for sale for years in denmark for $8600 us. Just because you really want something to be worth a lot of money, or you the only one known and wont sell it for any price, doesnt mean that its worth that much money. Its not, whoever inherits it will find that out if you dont sell it. Ive got an old wheelhorse i got from my grandpa, i wouldnt sell it. Well if you showed up with a million in cash, you could probably have it, but that does not mean an old wheelhorse tractor is worth 1 million dollars. woodstockguitars.dk/en/cart/
Edited by - kyleb on 06/24/2024 10:04:16
account-deleted - Posted - 06/24/2024: 10:10:50
quote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
I'm guessing youre talking about your 5 string b&d awesome banjo! But theres no way its worth 500k. Most bnd players want a tenor or a plectrum. The fact its five makes it rare, but rariety doesnt add 1000% to the value. A quick search foud a few other number 6 npus in tenor and plectrums for 5 to 10k. Heres one thats been for sale for years in denmark for $8600 us. Just because you really want something to be worth a lot of money, or you the only one known and wont sell it for any price, doesnt mean that its worth that much money. Its not, whoever inherits it will find that out if you dont sell it. Ive got an old wheelhorse i got from my grandpa, i wouldnt sell it. Well if you showed up with a million in cash, you could probably have it, but that does not mean an old wheelhorse tractor is worth 1 million dollars. woodstockguitars.dk/en/cart/
A well known fake that belonged to Polle, a collector of fakes.
do you have any real examples? So far you've referenced only fakes in your examples.
George Gruhn paid major money a few years ago for a 5 string Montana which isn't near as nice as a real all Ebony Ne Plus Utra.
He paid more than he paid for the 1930's RB-18 that he bought a few months later.......
account-deleted - Posted - 06/24/2024: 10:12:30
quote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
I'm guessing youre talking about your 5 string b&d awesome banjo! But theres no way its worth 500k. Most bnd players want a tenor or a plectrum. The fact its five makes it rare, but rariety doesnt add 1000% to the value. A quick search foud a few other number 6 npus in tenor and plectrums for 5 to 10k. Heres one thats been for sale for years in denmark for $8600 us. Just because you really want something to be worth a lot of money, or you the only one known and wont sell it for any price, doesnt mean that its worth that much money. Its not, whoever inherits it will find that out if you dont sell it. Ive got an old wheelhorse i got from my grandpa, i wouldnt sell it. Well if you showed up with a million in cash, you could probably have it, but that does not mean an old wheelhorse tractor is worth 1 million dollars. woodstockguitars.dk/en/cart/
Continuing this conversation is pointless because you don't know anything about B&D banjos.
It's like I'm talking to a tractor salesman about a Tesla.
does not compute.
I'm out.
account-deleted - Posted - 06/24/2024: 10:16:09
quote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
I'm guessing youre talking about your 5 string b&d awesome banjo! But theres no way its worth 500k. Most bnd players want a tenor or a plectrum. The fact its five makes it rare, but rariety doesnt add 1000% to the value. A quick search foud a few other number 6 npus in tenor and plectrums for 5 to 10k. Heres one thats been for sale for years in denmark for $8600 us. Just because you really want something to be worth a lot of money, or you the only one known and wont sell it for any price, doesnt mean that its worth that much money. Its not, whoever inherits it will find that out if you dont sell it. Ive got an old wheelhorse i got from my grandpa, i wouldnt sell it. Well if you showed up with a million in cash, you could probably have it, but that does not mean an old wheelhorse tractor is worth 1 million dollars. woodstockguitars.dk/en/cart/
But you know, you're right about everything. There you go! You're right.
If you say the sky is green, it's green.
you're right!
Woooooohoooo!!!
kyleb - Posted - 06/24/2024: 10:28:31
quote:
Originally posted by AccountHasBeenDeletedDueToDumbassesquote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
I'm guessing youre talking about your 5 string b&d awesome banjo! But theres no way its worth 500k. Most bnd players want a tenor or a plectrum. The fact its five makes it rare, but rariety doesnt add 1000% to the value. A quick search foud a few other number 6 npus in tenor and plectrums for 5 to 10k. Heres one thats been for sale for years in denmark for $8600 us. Just because you really want something to be worth a lot of money, or you the only one known and wont sell it for any price, doesnt mean that its worth that much money. Its not, whoever inherits it will find that out if you dont sell it. Ive got an old wheelhorse i got from my grandpa, i wouldnt sell it. Well if you showed up with a million in cash, you could probably have it, but that does not mean an old wheelhorse tractor is worth 1 million dollars. woodstockguitars.dk/en/cart/
But you know, you're right about everything. There you go! You're right.
If you say the sky is green, it's green.
you're right!
Woooooohoooo!!!
okay... im in no way pretending to be the expert.. it seems thats what youre doing here. You've offered nothing other then they vague refences, no actual numbers. No, im not an expert on bacon and day banjos, but im somewhat knowledgable about banjos in general, and have a good grasp on the collectible market for classic era and bluegrass banjos. I also know that the collector market for things like bacon and day banjos is shrinking. So please answer this simple question with your incredible expertiese, is a very Simple question, do you believe that ANY bacon and day banjo is worth more than $400,000? What is the maximum number you know of bacon and day selling for? Sure george gruhn paid more for a bnd than a gibson.. what 50 years ago? But where not talking about 50 years ago, were talking about modern value. You make a lot of statements, but offer nothing more than condensending responses to back it up. My proposition, bacon and day banjos are worth 50k at top, realsitic number probably more like 20k ,which buy you a prewar gibson flathead tone ring. If youre the expert, prove me wrong.
Edited by - kyleb on 06/24/2024 10:29:37
kyleb - Posted - 06/24/2024: 10:38:40
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Originally posted by Jbo1And kyleb, I wasn't being snarky to you, I hope you know.
in other news, i have a bacon and day I paid $800 for that i can apparently trade george gruhn for an rb-18!
Edited by - kyleb on 06/24/2024 10:39:08
kyleb - Posted - 06/24/2024: 10:40:22
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Originally posted by AccountHasBeenDeletedDueToDumbassesquote:
Originally posted by kylebquote:
Originally posted by Juggernaut NPUquote:
Originally posted by kylebSo just going to point out, the value of a prewar gibson flathead banjo is not an opinion. Value is based on real recent actual sales. They have sold depending on condition, originality, style etc for 100,000 to 400,000+ in recent years. I have banjos that are priceless to me, but that doesnt mean they are really that valuable. As far as saying value is what people are willing to pay for it, that is true to an extent. Appraisers use sales data to determine value, but also use demand. So you have a high end bacon plectrum, to you its worth a million dollars. The fact is there are 3 on reverb right now with a 5 to 10k price tag and havnt sold for years. They have real value, just a lot less than your perceived value. I dont believe that outside of a few unicorns like the consalvi banjo, that no other factory produced brands of banjos sell for anywhere near the price of a prewar flathead gibson. If im wrong, please educate me.
Also, I was appraiser and buyer for one of the most famous, if not most famous music store in the world.
Your condescending tone is of no interest to me.
I'm guessing youre talking about your 5 string b&d awesome banjo! But theres no way its worth 500k. Most bnd players want a tenor or a plectrum. The fact its five makes it rare, but rariety doesnt add 1000% to the value. A quick search foud a few other number 6 npus in tenor and plectrums for 5 to 10k. Heres one thats been for sale for years in denmark for $8600 us. Just because you really want something to be worth a lot of money, or you the only one known and wont sell it for any price, doesnt mean that its worth that much money. Its not, whoever inherits it will find that out if you dont sell it. Ive got an old wheelhorse i got from my grandpa, i wouldnt sell it. Well if you showed up with a million in cash, you could probably have it, but that does not mean an old wheelhorse tractor is worth 1 million dollars. woodstockguitars.dk/en/cart/
A well known fake that belonged to Polle, a collector of fakes.
do you have any real examples? So far you've referenced only fakes in your examples.
George Gruhn paid major money a few years ago for a 5 string Montana which isn't near as nice as a real all Ebony Ne Plus Utra.
He paid more than he paid for the 1930's RB-18 that he bought a few months later.......
I was referencing this b&d that you posted as a real one exactly one month ago... but i guess thats a "well known fake", how many hundreds of thousands did that cost you? Its a gorgeous banjo, id say way higher quality than infinetly more tasteful than what gibson made, but come on, whats top dollar on this? $25k? 50? please educate me with a real price if im wrong. I just dont see the market being more than a couple of collectors who probably already have somethign like this in their collection. Prewar gibson banjos have a well established market, and strong demand, which has created the insane prices. I dont believe this exists for any other brand of banjo. If im wrong, again, please provide some actual evidence, or atleast a number. banjohangout.org/topic/397450
Edited by - kyleb on 06/24/2024 10:44:17
backinthegame - Posted - 06/25/2024: 09:00:29
I think our RUNNOFT friend may be none other than the infamous Jack Ryan Sullivan...
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