STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/20/2024:  07:42:54

If you use them..what is your findings n opinions of them..?

Best ones..?

New advances..?

Dose it help or hinder your banjo playing or listening..?

stevebsq - Posted - 04/20/2024:  07:57:52

What did you say?

Ok…in my opinion, Costco is the best place to buy..about half of a hearing aid center. Costco gives a full test and has a couple options. They did have a policy if you broke or lost they would replace. I’m sure there are other opinions.

From my perspective…others will agree or not:

Aids are a necessary pita. You need to adjust the settings and you need to clean them. I recommend rechargeable ones. I use mine mostly for ambient noise..restaurants etc. on most you can Bluetooth your car radio, your phone or tv…I don’t…just more to mess with.

My banjo sounds different. And I get a string buzz when I wear them. Luthier said it isn’t the banjo, it is the aids…he has seen it before. They Definitely increase banjo volume.

Hope this helps.

Owen - Posted - 04/20/2024:  08:01:08

The ENT specialist tells me that HAs won't help with my hearing problem, and when I get my hearing checked, "they" don't offer to sell me anything, so .... ???  

But if I thought for a minute that they would help my banjo playing I'd be all over it!!

Edit:  I wonder (?) a wee bit about the wisdom/effectiveness of advertising that emphasizes the "nearly invisible" aspect of the units. Would one just resort to the "old" method that used to be used for contact lenses, and as I understand it, some still use to find lost picks?

* = i.e. the tried-and-true firm application of the ol' size 12.  

Edited by - Owen on 04/20/2024 08:08:16

BobbyE - Posted - 04/20/2024:  10:01:19

I have Phonak Paradise Audeo 7s and would recommend them though a bit pricey. Wi-fi, Bluetooth driven and connect to your cell phone. When you get a call, text, or a calendar event comes up, you hear it all through the aids; don't even have to pick the phone up for a call. Just swipe it to receive and speak away. They also have customer programs that you can set up for various scenarios by cutting back treble, bass, and mids. I have mine programmed for my banjo and electric guitar. Of course you audiologists will set up the default program to match your hearing needs. Another neat feature on mine is when I stop at a red light and the radio is on, they increase the volume for my listening pleasure and then cut it back to reduce road noise from the tires when I start moving again. Tremendous technology in such a small instrument. An app is loaded onto your phone which also gives you features that you can adjust as needed.  That is how you set up the programs that you need and want. 



Bobby

Edited by - BobbyE on 04/20/2024 10:02:34

1935tb-11 - Posted - 04/20/2024:  10:06:12

tinnitus is my problem so i don't know if hearing aids would help me or not... i do know my wife gets tired of hearing "what?"

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/20/2024:  12:33:20

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Originally posted by 1935tb-11

tinnitus is my problem so i don't know if hearing aids would help me or not... i do know my wife gets tired of hearing "what?"

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Try....

Huhgh...

Just to mix things up fer her.. :0)

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/20/2024:  12:34:33

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Originally posted by BobbyE

I have Phonak Paradise Audeo 7s and would recommend them though a bit pricey. Wi-fi, Bluetooth driven and connect to your cell phone. When you get a call, text, or a calendar event comes up, you hear it all through the aids; don't even have to pick the phone up for a call. Just swipe it to receive and speak away. They also have customer programs that you can set up for various scenarios by cutting back treble, bass, and mids. I have mine programmed for my banjo and electric guitar. Of course you audiologists will set up the default program to match your hearing needs. Another neat feature on mine is when I stop at a red light and the radio is on, they increase the volume for my listening pleasure and then cut it back to reduce road noise from the tires when I start moving again. Tremendous technology in such a small instrument. An app is loaded onto your phone which also gives you features that you can adjust as needed.  That is how you set up the programs that you need and want. 



Bobby

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Wayyyyy...too fancy fer me..

But thanks all the same... :0)

donc - Posted - 04/20/2024:  12:47:05

Unlike eye glasses your hearing is never restored 100%. I wear them about half the time. When I'm on my own I feel more comfortable without them. In a restaurant or with company I will usually hear the loudest mouth in the building. The quiet person at our own table can still be hard to hear. Costco is the best price by far. I've had these Phonak units almost 10 years and last week they replaced a broken sound tube for free. The only drawback with Costco is getting an appointment in less than 3 weeks. A small repair is usually done on the spot without an appointment.

5B-Ranch - Posted - 04/20/2024:  13:03:56

Or just nod in agreement and smile To what ever the wife says. Then ask the granddaughter later. What was she saying? Works sometimes.

slammer - Posted - 04/20/2024:  18:00:24

I’ve got a pair of MD hearing aids and they were $299.00 for the pair.
No Bluetooth, no phone, no Wi-Fi , no BS. 3 different settings and volume control.
I’ve had expensive ones and IMO, they were no better. My biggest problem is outdoor wind noise. My other problem was I needed them at work the most, but I work in the MRI environment and it ruined them. The company new this ahead of time and they were interested in my results also. They replaced them immediately and their customer service was awesome!!! I personally would never spend big bucks again on them unless my insurance covered them. They are all a pain in the arse and need maintenance. Unfortunately, they are necessary for lots of folks and I think the big dollar aids are a total rip off!!!
Slammer!!!

banjo bill-e - Posted - 04/20/2024:  19:21:29

I'm no longer wearing my Costco aids. While I did, I had mixed results. Good was being able to hear a conversation in a car over the road noise, which is venot loud but manages to make words unintelligible for me. What was not helped was being able to hear in a noisy environment, such as a lively cafe or bar. The HAs made everything louder including the clatter and I could not take it. I will admit that I gave up too early and should probably have forced myself to wear them all of the time, but they made me nervous and irritable.
The very best thing about them is the phone connection. It makes the caller's voice crystal clear and all I had to do to answer was to tap the side of my ear! Only had to be somewhere near my phone and I could answer and hang up without touching the phone itself. If I had had those years back I might have extended my working career as it was getting too difficult to understand people who hold the phone out from their face while talking, and that seems to be most folks these days.

Old Hickory - Posted - 04/20/2024:  20:57:52

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Originally posted by stevebsq

My banjo sounds different. And I get a string buzz when I wear them. Luthier said it isn’t the banjo, it is the aids…he has seen it before. They Definitely increase banjo volume.

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Which Costco hearing aids do you wear? I ask because my banjo -- actually, every picked string instrument -- sounded bad through my Kirkland KS7 hearing aids (which I started wearing in 2016).

I've described this in three or four previous conversations. Through my hearing aids, my banjo sounded a bit like it was being played through a chorus pedal or micro-second delay. A very slight doubling sound. Recordings experienced the same effect. The sound of a full band could sometimes mask it.

Bowed instruments never had it. I don't remember how piano sounded.

I went to Costco and described my issue. Though he did make some adjustment to the "music" program in the hearing aids app on my phone, the technician speculated the effect I was hearing was the result of hearing the initial attack of the banjo directly through my ears sooner than the hearing aids could receive, process, and feed me the sound. The domes of the KS7 were the "open" variety with ports designed to let in air and natural sound and reduce the plugged-up feeling. I believed this explanation.

Mostly I stopped wearing my hearing aids when I played banjo. But I would sometimes wear them at a jam to give me a better appreciation of my volume.

In 2021 I got a pair of the KS10 hearing aids. I don't know if the technology is better or if the different dome design makes a difference, but the delay/doubled sound my banjo is gone. I still tend to take off my hearing aids when I play banjo, though when I do I suspect I'm not hearing my banjos' actual treble or volume. So I made a comfortable "banjo" listening program in the hearing aids app by adjusting the settings in the "music" program.

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/21/2024:  04:27:10

Apoligize in advance for long post here.

The hearing aid issue is a complex one but I'll keep this post simple but hope it helps someone, and I sympathize with anyone who's spent years smiling and nodding to others that you 'hear' them but of course you don't. I could hear 'sound' but not 'speech' ... not 'words' or even specific music frequencies.... and always several seconds behind in understanding any conversation, or not understanding at all, therefore the smiles and nods. This was 17 years ago.

The first step is to seek out a hearing audiologist on staff at a reputable audiology clinic - not necessarily a 'hearing aid store' or hearing aid 'department'. Peruse their website. Search 'staff'. Check credentials, certifications, etc.

An 'audiogram' (hearing test report and results diagram) will clearly show not only how severe the hearing loss is but most important, the audiogram will show the loss at specific frequencies.

With a programmable hearing aid [a miniature computer] a qualified and experienced audiologist can manipulate/adjust the software driver program to sort of 'give back' the lost frequencies although, as DonC says above, your hearing will never fully recover from hearing damage.

The audiogram showed my hrg loss followed the typical loss curve due to 'industrial exposure' therefore they're covered (up to a limit) by Workers Comp. And FWIW, hearing aid prices are based from different price levels. Retail/walk-in pricing normally starts at 100% full price but roughly 50% of that for institutional or 'government' purchasers. So, for example, the gov't price for $5K is an affordable $2,000 for WCB.

Over 17 years I've been 'fitted' with and/or have 'experienced' multiple brands, types, in-ear speakers, 'moldings', and audiology clinics. I'm only an expert about what I've sorted through, settled on, and what works in an acoustic instrument environment including banjo of course, and the sound 'quality' I expect.

There are many online information resources to educate yourself about the process but would recommend to search for a local hearing clinic known for fitting professional musicians.

BTW, the best of hearing aids can't perform at their best if the wearer's inner ears aren't kept clean. Unclean ears can be a cause of many strange sounds and sensations that a person will inevitably discover.



Decent hearing aids can and do raise hearing impaired folks out of isolation and loneliness and back to the living.

Usually, if you're not satisfied with what you bought, there's a 30-day return option - I've done that too. Standard are an X number of allowable no-charge software adjustment sessions. Options for cellphone and TV Bluetooth. Simple stuff. Batteries vs. rechargeable. 'Air tube' vs. wired 'in-ear' speaker. There are many options.

The process riddled with potential mine fields, misinformation, misleading advertisements and no-good-niks. Homework necessary. Your experience may be different.

Edited by - banjoT1 on 04/21/2024 04:29:55

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/21/2024:  04:58:28

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Originally posted by banjoT1

Apoligize in advance for long post here.

The hearing aid issue is a complex one but I'll keep this post simple but hope it helps someone, and I sympathize with anyone who's spent years smiling and nodding to others that you 'hear' them but of course you don't. I could hear 'sound' but not 'speech' ... not 'words' or even specific music frequencies.... and always several seconds behind in understanding any conversation, or not understanding at all, therefore the smiles and nods. This was 17 years ago.

The first step is to seek out a hearing audiologist on staff at a reputable audiology clinic - not necessarily a 'hearing aid store' or hearing aid 'department'. Peruse their website. Search 'staff'. Check credentials, certifications, etc.

An 'audiogram' (hearing test report and results diagram) will clearly show not only how severe the hearing loss is but most important, the audiogram will show the loss at specific frequencies.

With a programmable hearing aid [a miniature computer] a qualified and experienced audiologist can manipulate/adjust the software driver program to sort of 'give back' the lost frequencies although, as DonC says above, your hearing will never fully recover from hearing damage.

The audiogram showed my hrg loss followed the typical loss curve due to 'industrial exposure' therefore they're covered (up to a limit) by Workers Comp. And FWIW, hearing aid prices are based from different price levels. Retail/walk-in pricing normally starts at 100% full price but roughly 50% of that for institutional or 'government' purchasers. So, for example, the gov't price for $5K is an affordable $2,000 for WCB.

Over 17 years I've been 'fitted' with and/or have 'experienced' multiple brands, types, in-ear speakers, 'moldings', and audiology clinics. I'm only an expert about what I've sorted through, settled on, and what works in an acoustic instrument environment including banjo of course, and the sound 'quality' I expect.

There are many online information resources to educate yourself about the process but would recommend to search for a local hearing clinic known for fitting professional musicians.

BTW, the best of hearing aids can't perform at their best if the wearer's inner ears aren't kept clean. Unclean ears can be a cause of many strange sounds and sensations that a person will inevitably discover.



Decent hearing aids can and do raise hearing impaired folks out of isolation and loneliness and back to the living.

Usually, if you're not satisfied with what you bought, there's a 30-day return option - I've done that too. Standard are an X number of allowable no-charge software adjustment sessions. Options for cellphone and TV Bluetooth. Simple stuff. Batteries vs. rechargeable. 'Air tube' vs. wired 'in-ear' speaker. There are many options.

The process riddled with potential mine fields, misinformation, misleading advertisements and no-good-niks. Homework necessary. Your experience may be different.

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Thanks...

To be honest....i liked yer post as soon as i read the first line.. :0)

But..

Upon reading your introduction..we have had something in common..

I have a neurological disorder..that garbles the sounds of vowels n allso consonants..

I tryed to learn music becose i figgered..if would help that situation in me..

It has not..

But i have n do enjoy this jonery very very much..

As i can hear tunes quite well..

I suspect..the best that i am going to do..is to hear backgroud sounds better..

N..enunciations..might get better as well..

Thankyou

Edited by - STUD figmo Al on 04/21/2024 05:00:14

donc - Posted - 04/21/2024:  12:10:32

Originally I went to a neighborhood hearing aid shop. I told them I wasn't ready to purchase anything. I was willing to pay the $50 for an evaluation report on my hearing. I didn't want to rush into Costco or anywhere else as I figured their priority was to sell me an expensive set whether I needed them or not. The local shop had prices starting at $4000. Within a day or two I started getting phone calls and letters explaining that I needed them NOW or else. Costco was much easier because their staff is not paid a commission. I never wear my HA's with the banjo. It was explained to me that a banjo makes a percussive sound. The noise cancelling electronics tends to garble the sound of a $4000 banjo and make it sound like something made from a cigar box.

cobra1 - Posted - 04/21/2024:  14:54:33

I have HA called Truhearing. I have 4 settings with these aids. Universal, Noisy, Tv & Music, and Stroll. I use Tv & Music the most. I told him i played banjo and there is difference between the settings. Tv & Music the sounds are a little sharper. Noisy is great in restaurants or where there is a background noise. kind of mutes or filters the noise. Stroll is for outside in wind? I don't use this much. Universal is just the setting for everything else. You can make them go sharp or flat also.

I like mine. When I was tested, he said I probably couldn't hear my wife because of voice pitch.
He said these HA would take care of that. Maybe I shouldn't have got them??

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/21/2024:  16:12:43

to Al....me to answer your PM but me needs time to think on it a bit.

to DonC .... (hi neighbor :)....the last paragraph of my first post gives a heads-up to exactly what you described. My opinion is that as a consumer/retail business the hearing aid industry is capitalism run amuck. But, the consumer can avoid or prevent coerced decisions by having the courage and mettle to say 'no' to aggressive sales practices and snake oil products. Be your own best advocate.

Early on I had a very upsetting experience with one particular franchised clinic chain but i had to overcome the sometimes gut-wrenching realization that I was being played, or being fitted or adjusted, by woefully inexperienced staff. I also cut Costco loose after a 2-year history with those folks. Hit or miss consistently. So, it's your money/your decisions to make. Even if purchased at 50%, Workers Comp will allow the claimant to choose any unit that suits their fancy within a preset price range.

But, DonC, PM me if you'd like further input.

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/21/2024:  16:49:55

BTW....... and to Cobra1: you may have many 'settings' and 'preferences' options and other electronic features - essentially electronic 'filters' that indeed will alter what is transmitted to the eardrum. So, after years of personal +/- experiences i've settled with (i.e., 'compromised) all settings that maximize hearing 'real, live, unfiltered sound' (including live music), and that the frequency curve is properly set for your hearing loss and hearing demands (meaning for music/live music.)

For you techies you may want to know a little about response time and sampling frequency - some indication of capability.

Or, ask for recommendations from friends, talk to a local speech pathologist or local ear/nose/throat specialist about qualified/competent area audiologists. Personally, I believe that treating a hearing loss (at least within the 'moderate', 'severe', 'profound' ranges) is one of the most important health issues regarding 'Quality of Life'.

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/21/2024:  17:06:58

Well one positive note...
As me ears deminmish..
Me banjo sounds bettah..n..bettah..


;0)

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/21/2024:  17:17:22

OldHickory brought up a good talking point.......that being, certain model's inner computer simply cannot work - for YOUR impairment - to give you back 'real' music sound, or, the microphones do not adequately pick up banjo string vibrations, or from guitar for that matter. A banjo's plucked string 'attack' phase is a real demad of hearing aids. I returned an earlier set within one week because it didn't have the inherrent capability to be banjo-compatible. 



Hearing aids = complex....I'm no acoustics engineer - just a picky user. Find someone you trust.

Edited by - banjoT1 on 04/21/2024 17:25:56

BanjoLink - Posted - 04/21/2024:  18:02:47

I wonder if anyone has gone through the VA for their hearing aids. My present set was bought at Costco and I have to say that they have been satisfactory, but then I have nothing to compare them to. I will not know how good or bad they are until I get my next set, which shall be soon. Since I am eligible for VA benefits, I think I will try them, although I suspect it may be a hassle. Anyone else got theirs through them?

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/21/2024:  21:07:13

......about a VA claim:
I've actually been involved in claims and documentation since June/2023. Now receiving VA 'Decision Letters'.

go to 'VA.gov' or 'Veterans Benefits Administration'.

Search for option 'How To Make A Claim'.

When submitting service-connected hearing injury claim, best to attach/upload copy of an audiogram proof of hearing loss report. But, the VBA is providing roving 'intake' events around the U.S. - check for 'events'. My 'event' was located in Browning, Montana.

I know of Vets who've been rated at a 100% basis and are provided for-life hearing aid no/charge periodic exams and devices. If approved, the VBA will offer you hardware choices.

The process simply is what it is right now but much better than pre-2018. There are VSO representatives (Volunteer Service Organizations) whose mission is to assist Vets with these sorts of issues. Search for 'accredited' VSOs.

If all your ducks are in a row (meaning military documentation - and, claim docs) your VSO could quite literally upload your claim within 10 minutes. Some individual VSO representatives are more experienced with the claim process than many lesser experienced reps, and are aware that certain claim verbiage can enhance 'the likelihood of success', and who/where within the VBA to contact should there be problems or bottle-necks.

Online claims can also be submitted via the 'Quick-Submit' online claim option.

(...entering the process if you choose, can be overwhelming .... proceed with patience ....a little homework is always helpful to your own cause.)

Bart Veerman - Posted - 04/21/2024:  21:27:55

I don't have personal experience with hearing aids but have had a lot do with them during my tinnitus counseling days. Two things to remember:

• the centuries old "you get what you pay for" has been exploited for many centuries by all kinds of people hawking all kinds of stuff. Basically, it's total b.s. that hasn't been true for centuries so be really careful you're not getting promised the world with "sooooo worth the little extra..."


• do bring & play your banjo while getting your HAs tuned/tweaked/adjusted when you're picking them up from the store

Funny the way things work out: you guys don't hear enough while my hearing issue is that I hear too much. These days I'm trying different ear plugs to see which ones work best for me as my custom musician's ear plugs no longer do the job...

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/22/2024:  00:33:12

1)....due to the hearing aid's electronic circuitry design a good quality hearing aid set is a nearly default tinnitus blocker/filter that typically exists with medium to higher priced unit sets regardless of brand/mfgr.



The tinnitus i experienced (constant hissing and tones) was 100% eliminated within the first day or two and never again since 2007.



2).....are there possible special discounted retail prices ? Probably sale price promotions (likely) .......but ask if the clinic or clinic branch locations have any 'last year's model' discontinued sets available, or returned sets from the '30-day trial period'. Clinics would rather sell full-priced devices than offer 'seconds' but deals do exist in the industry if the right questions are asked.

3).....there IS a fundamental difference of definition and functionality between 'hearing aids' and 'hearing enhancers'. Hearing enhancers work yes, for very mild hearing impairments, but because their purpose is mainly to increase volume - they do not necessarily correct for the audiogram frequency loss curve. For discerning and keen-eared recreational to performance players (banjo players included) a sound enhancer-type device may leave you very disappointed and disheartened.



Get the best for you that you can afford.



....disclaimer > I generate $0.00 from any source in submitting all banjoT1 posts above as a public service (!). Go forth enlightened.

Edited by - banjoT1 on 04/22/2024 00:37:53

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/22/2024:  04:39:06

Heh...
Looks like i hit a ..Jackpot of info..
On hearing aids..

On the Banjo Hangout...

I really do like this place.. :0)

Buddur - Posted - 04/22/2024:  06:02:39

My Ex worked for a hearing specialist who sold hearing aids. Of course they work, but it's a racket where everyone gets a BIG cut of ca$h since they are way overpriced...by design.

rinemb - Posted - 04/22/2024:  06:21:58

I went to an audiologist after medicare kicked in about 6 years ago. They ran the full range of tests and told me what I knew. My hearing is not great. What has helped is that one ear has good highs and poor lows, and the other ear has poor highs and good lows. So they compensate each other. I knew my hearing is worse now, and will need to face HAs.
How does it affect singing? Do you hear yourself better, different, etc. Does it improve increased pitchiness? Brad

Bart Veerman - Posted - 04/22/2024:  07:51:02

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Originally posted by rinemb

How does it affect singing? Do you hear yourself better, different, etc. Does it improve increased pitchiness? Brad

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BADLY! Well, at least for a long-time friend of mine. His hearing isn't the greatest anymore so he kicks up the volume while he's singing real good, darn near yelling and we have to keep telling him to back down...

janolov - Posted - 04/22/2024:  08:03:34

This is a retro model and you don't need to bother about batteries.

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/22/2024:  10:10:52

Doubles as a horn too..

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/22/2024:  15:09:58

Rinemb:
a) yes, you ‘knew’ you had a hearing impairment however, the test results actually proved by audio measurements exactly at what frequencies your hearing impairment is located with the hearing/speech spectrum, and what types of sound inputs (consonants, vowels, etc.) you have difficulty understanding.
[….see > audiologyresearch.org/human-hearing-range ]

b) .....now Rinemb, armed with test results ( i.e., hearing impairment quantified) your qualified and experienced audiologist [find one] can advise you what hearing aid remedies would likely restore, as closely as possible, what hearing attributes you’ve lost; but, if severe or profound hearing issues are related to neurological impairments then anything about that is above my pay grade.

c) You asked > ‘how does it affect singing >' …….answer = all positive – you can hear yourself ‘properly again – the way it’s supposed to be.

Janalov:
a) the horn photo is as ‘sound enhancer’ by definition obviously.

b) …about ‘over priced’ hearing aids > the word ‘racket’ = slang for capitalism. [….rule of thumb (?) > manufacturer’s selling price (MSP) X 5 = retail price (MSRP)]

Bart:
I dunno for sure but your singing friend may have the entry level-type low-end ‘sound enhancer’ variety. If so, then likely those ‘things’ may be totally incompatible with his hearing impairment diagnosis. Also, in very serious cases surgery comes to mind…..again, above my pay grade.
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[…...forthcoming will be information links strictly regarding [CA and U.S.] military Veteran’s disability benefits and claims > disclaimer: I am not an accredited VSO representative but from personal experience with VA claims issues I may be able to answer certain follow-up questions if you got ‘em.]

[…..I may be going to the slammer for all the info rambled about over the last few posts. (?). This info though = my opinions and understandings from personal experience. I am not a board-certified human species physician.]

..............hey wait ossifer !! ....I'm talkin' to BHO guys !!

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/22/2024:  15:21:40

LINKS FOR EXTRA CREDIT HOMEWORK.......

…..good basic medical information at > nidcd.nih.gov/health/tinnitus


U.S. VETERANS:
veteransguide.org/va-disabilit...tinnitus/
veteransguide.org/va-disabilit...y-claims/
usmilitary.com/va-disability-tinnitus/

TOP 20 U.S. VA DISABILITY CLAIMS:
#1. TINNITUS
According to the National Institute for Deafness and Other Communication Disorders, tinnitus occurs when someone perceives sounds with no external source. People with tinnitus “hear” sounds such as ringing, buzzing, or whooshing. Noise exposure, including the loud sounds of gunfire, bombs, and machinery, can cause tinnitus. The VA considers tinnitus to have a presumptive service connection, meaning veterans do not need to establish a link between the condition and their service.

#3. HEARING LOSS
People with hearing loss often have some ability to hear, but things may sound muffled, or they may have difficulty understanding others in crowded or noisy locations, according to the Mayo Clinic. Hearing loss can have many causes, some of which can be related to military service. Exposure to loud noises from firearms, jet engines, and machinery can all contribute to hearing loss. The VA considers hearing loss to be a presumptive service-connected condition. Many veterans with hearing loss also have tinnitus. To qualify for disability benefits for hearing loss, veterans must have their hearing tested by a state-licensed audiologist who conducts two hearing tests: a controlled speech discrimination test and a pure-tone audiometry test.

The VA diagnostic code for hearing loss is 6100 under rating 38 CFR § 4.85. Veterans may claim anywhere from 10 percent to 100 percent disability for hearing loss depending on the severity of their condition, with most veterans qualifying at the lower end of the scale.


CANADIAN VETERANS:
Veterans Affairs Canada(VAC)
veterans.gc.ca/en/health-suppo...ring_loss
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I ain't got much left to offer about this topic guys. Life fulfilled.

BanjoLink - Posted - 04/22/2024:  17:00:17

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Originally posted by banjoT1

......about a VA claim:

I've actually been involved in claims and documentation since June/2023. Now receiving VA 'Decision Letters'.



go to 'VA.gov' or 'Veterans Benefits Administration'.



Search for option 'How To Make A Claim'.



When submitting service-connected hearing injury claim, best to attach/upload copy of an audiogram proof of hearing loss report. But, the VBA is providing roving 'intake' events around the U.S. - check for 'events'. My 'event' was located in Browning, Montana.



I know of Vets who've been rated at a 100% basis and are provided for-life hearing aid no/charge periodic exams and devices. If approved, the VBA will offer you hardware choices.



The process simply is what it is right now but much better than pre-2018. There are VSO representatives (Volunteer Service Organizations) whose mission is to assist Vets with these sorts of issues. Search for 'accredited' VSOs.



If all your ducks are in a row (meaning military documentation - and, claim docs) your VSO could quite literally upload your claim within 10 minutes. Some individual VSO representatives are more experienced with the claim process than many lesser experienced reps, and are aware that certain claim verbiage can enhance 'the likelihood of success', and who/where within the VBA to contact should there be problems or bottle-necks.



Online claims can also be submitted via the 'Quick-Submit' online claim option.



(...entering the process if you choose, can be overwhelming .... proceed with patience ....a little homework is always helpful to your own cause.)

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Thanks for the info, but was unaware my hearing loss has to be service related.  For the record though, I lost much of it when a land mine exploded about 40' from me when I was sitting on the running board of a six-by waiting (of all things) for a mine sweep of the road to be completed.  They missed the one near me!  I'm not sure how I can document it as I don't think I have the exact date and I never reported it, other than maybe to my CO, who probably didn't do anything about it.  I also never sought medical help, although I had ringing in my ears for several days.  Since there was no blood, I assumed I wasn't hurt.

scott_sovereign - Posted - 04/22/2024:  17:11:48

Regarding getting hearing aids through the VA, that's how I got mine. AND, I actually got mine BEFORE I filed a claim for hearing loss. It might work differently at your VA, and frankly, my local VA here in Nashville, Tennessee seems to be a lot better than some of the ones that I've heard horror stories about in other places, but I made an appointment at the hearing clinic. The audiologist tested my hearing and confirmed I needed hearing aids. And yes, she did ask me some questions about my service background and some of the things I did in the service. I then had my choice of all of top-of-the-line models from each of the manufacturers, and the audiologist recommended a particular one to me, which was also the one I wanted based on previous research I had done, but I could have also picked one of the others. All of this was without cost to me since my hearing loss was service connected. I did later file a claim in a separate process, and while I got a 0% disability rating (meaning I don't get a monthly payment because of it) for my hearing loss, it is on my record that my hearing loss is service connected and all of my treatment for hearing loss is covered. Again, your local VA may be different and may require that you get the disability rating for hearing loss first, but at least in my case, they gave me the hearing aids first. It couldn't have been easier.

scott_sovereign - Posted - 04/22/2024:  17:20:06

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

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Originally posted by banjoT1

......about a VA claim:

I've actually been involved in claims and documentation since June/2023. Now receiving VA 'Decision Letters'.



go to 'VA.gov' or 'Veterans Benefits Administration'.



Search for option 'How To Make A Claim'.



When submitting service-connected hearing injury claim, best to attach/upload copy of an audiogram proof of hearing loss report. But, the VBA is providing roving 'intake' events around the U.S. - check for 'events'. My 'event' was located in Browning, Montana.



I know of Vets who've been rated at a 100% basis and are provided for-life hearing aid no/charge periodic exams and devices. If approved, the VBA will offer you hardware choices.



The process simply is what it is right now but much better than pre-2018. There are VSO representatives (Volunteer Service Organizations) whose mission is to assist Vets with these sorts of issues. Search for 'accredited' VSOs.



If all your ducks are in a row (meaning military documentation - and, claim docs) your VSO could quite literally upload your claim within 10 minutes. Some individual VSO representatives are more experienced with the claim process than many lesser experienced reps, and are aware that certain claim verbiage can enhance 'the likelihood of success', and who/where within the VBA to contact should there be problems or bottle-necks.



Online claims can also be submitted via the 'Quick-Submit' online claim option.



(...entering the process if you choose, can be overwhelming .... proceed with patience ....a little homework is always helpful to your own cause.)

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Thanks for the info, but was unaware my hearing loss has to be service related.  For the record though, I lost much of it when a land mine exploded about 40' from me when I was sitting on the running board of a six-by waiting (of all things) for a mine sweep of the road to be completed.  They missed the one near me!  I'm not sure how I can document it as I don't think I have the exact date and I never reported it, other than maybe to my CO, who probably didn't do anything about it.  I also never sought medical help, although I had ringing in my ears for several days.  Since there was no blood, I assumed I wasn't hurt.

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I think you were posting this response while I was composing my reply.  I would encourage you to schedule an appointment with the hearing clinic at the VA and get checked out.  I'm assuming you set up with the VA?  The worst they can do is say no, but since you've been in a combat zone, my guess is that you shouldn't have too many problems getting approved for hearing aids.  If you read my post, I got them before I even applied for a disability for my hearing.  If you do have to (or want) to apply for disability and want to contact me offline for some tips, please feel welcome.

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/22/2024:  17:25:58

to BanjoLink......

Precise military documentation is not required to substantiate a claim. In fact, for many claims there may not be any 'documentation' existing whatsoever. But, in the case of many disability claimants, their type of service (EOD, ABN, HAZARDOUS, etc....), and/or their geographical posting of service [think combat zone but NOT necessarily a requirement to have experienced actual field combat)

...read more about statemen(s) YOU can submit @ link > va.gov/find-forms/about-form-21-4138/

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/22/2024:  18:18:58

Scott...............those were excellent posts (IMO) and very helpful information.

....can I offer a couple of finer details ? First......there should be some clarity in the use of certain terms. It is the claimant's mission to convince the VA/VBA that .... 'in all probability or, greater than 50%, the veteran's disability is likely service-connected'.

But, many impairments/disabilities/negative health issues are already recognized by the Veterans Benefits Administration as 'presumptive' to your service duty 'exposures' - meaning, that you have met the 'probability' or '51-49%' threshold of 'likelihood' therefore you claim is pretty much immediately or automatically approved.

Then, if your claim is approved you may still get a 0% rating - this means the VA will provide hearing aids at no charge, typically for life, but not include any actual monthly payment. The test results, combined with your personal statements, plus life impact statements from you and those from family members, ex-comrades (including service buddies and a CO in your case) are factored into an actual core 'disability rating' - that could be anywhere from 10% (minimum) up to 100% disability at which time you would be awarded a VBA tax-free/'not income' monthly payment. I include the 'not income' tag because any such disability or injury payment received is not defined as 'income' by the IRS nor Revenue Canada. How do I know this?....I've been in a few rodeos over the last few years about this stuff.......lots of IRS and Revenue Canada pubs are online for you to behold. Or, if your financial situation is cumbersome and complex then likely you might dump all of this onto your [knowledgeable' (?)] attorney or accountant.

........and yes, the competencies of VA branch service varies, but amongst the estimated +/- 200 government representatives I've spoken with over the last year (including VA and VBA) many of them are frankly, uncertain or unknowledgeable about very important details. On the other hand, there are a few gem folks I've ferreted out along the way. Not all VA and VBA reps are veterans but on average, I've found those ferreted out folks to be much more definitive and action-oriented, often with a military certainty about them.

By the way.......if not satisfied with the results of your first 'Decision Letter' there are higher level review/appeal options to pursue. Previously provided links will be portals to get inside to search around.

The onus is on you to take charge of your own claim - a VSO might/maybe/likely help you.

John Yerxa - Posted - 04/23/2024:  03:33:00

This is a great topic. I started my hearing aid "journey" when I was still teaching, and couldn't hear students in the classroom. That was before I was back into playing, and a basic set worked OK. When that set fizzled out, I tried a few different models- didn't hear much difference between to cheaper ones and the Cadillacs, so I got another basic model. When I started playing guitar and banjo a lot more, I noticed a metallic buzzing sound to the notes, especially on the treble strings. I even took my guitar to a shop because I thought it was fret buzz!

Fortunately, I found an Audiologist who was willing to spend the time, and let me bring instruments in for adjustments. I finally trialled a more expensive model (Resound GN), wore them to a jam session, and couldn't believe the difference - I could hear myself and everyone else better that I had in years.

It is a minefield out there. You do get what you pay for, but, having said that, the prices of all of them are way inflated. I'm still using the Resounds, but have had to send them back twice for repair in the 3 year warrenty period.

Mine have all the capabilities of music streaming, phone etc. - I don't use any of it. My tinnitus, which was noticeable but not distressing, is gone. I now wear them all the time. I've stuck with battery models for simplicity, but might consider rechargable next time?

Bottom line, find a good audiologist who will take some time with you. Don't scrimp on price/quality.

rinemb - Posted - 04/23/2024:  07:12:01

I am now 71, I wonder if medicare will pick up the costs of a new full audiologist examination? (from the first exam when I was only 65) Brad

Edited by - rinemb on 04/23/2024 07:12:44

steve davis - Posted - 04/23/2024:  07:23:17

When nerves are severed there's no hope.

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 04/23/2024:  08:07:33

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Originally posted by steve davis

When nerves are severed there's no hope.

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That's not quite true annamore..

There are like cyber implants that folks get now..

BanjoLink - Posted - 04/23/2024:  09:40:46

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Originally posted by scott_sovereign

quote:

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

quote:

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Originally posted by banjoT1

......about a VA claim:

I've actually been involved in claims and documentation since June/2023. Now receiving VA 'Decision Letters'.



go to 'VA.gov' or 'Veterans Benefits Administration'.



Search for option 'How To Make A Claim'.



When submitting service-connected hearing injury claim, best to attach/upload copy of an audiogram proof of hearing loss report. But, the VBA is providing roving 'intake' events around the U.S. - check for 'events'. My 'event' was located in Browning, Montana.



I know of Vets who've been rated at a 100% basis and are provided for-life hearing aid no/charge periodic exams and devices. If approved, the VBA will offer you hardware choices.



The process simply is what it is right now but much better than pre-2018. There are VSO representatives (Volunteer Service Organizations) whose mission is to assist Vets with these sorts of issues. Search for 'accredited' VSOs.



If all your ducks are in a row (meaning military documentation - and, claim docs) your VSO could quite literally upload your claim within 10 minutes. Some individual VSO representatives are more experienced with the claim process than many lesser experienced reps, and are aware that certain claim verbiage can enhance 'the likelihood of success', and who/where within the VBA to contact should there be problems or bottle-necks.



Online claims can also be submitted via the 'Quick-Submit' online claim option.



(...entering the process if you choose, can be overwhelming .... proceed with patience ....a little homework is always helpful to your own cause.)

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Thanks for the info, but was unaware my hearing loss has to be service related.  For the record though, I lost much of it when a land mine exploded about 40' from me when I was sitting on the running board of a six-by waiting (of all things) for a mine sweep of the road to be completed.  They missed the one near me!  I'm not sure how I can document it as I don't think I have the exact date and I never reported it, other than maybe to my CO, who probably didn't do anything about it.  I also never sought medical help, although I had ringing in my ears for several days.  Since there was no blood, I assumed I wasn't hurt.

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I think you were posting this response while I was composing my reply.  I would encourage you to schedule an appointment with the hearing clinic at the VA and get checked out.  I'm assuming you set up with the VA?  The worst they can do is say no, but since you've been in a combat zone, my guess is that you shouldn't have too many problems getting approved for hearing aids.  If you read my post, I got them before I even applied for a disability for my hearing.  If you do have to (or want) to apply for disability and want to contact me offline for some tips, please feel welcome.

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Thanks Scott for the great advice.  I will do it, as you suggested.  I am set up as of about a year or so ago with the VA, but as of yet not used any of their services.

steve davis - Posted - 04/23/2024:  10:53:21

quote:

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Originally posted by STUD figmo Al

quote:

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Originally posted by steve davis

When nerves are severed there's no hope.

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That's not quite true annamore..

There are like cyber implants that folks get now..

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I'll ask my VA doctor about this at my appointment tomorrow.

Thanks,Al.

prooftheory - Posted - 04/23/2024:  12:48:22

I've had moderate hearing loss my entire life. I wore hearing aids for most of my time in grade school but I kept mysteriously losing them and found that they didn't have much effect on my school work so we gave up replacing them. I tried again 30 years later because my daughter is soft spoken enough that I have a hard time compensating. It didn't work out. They were uncomfortable and didn't really solve the problem of not being able to hear my daughter, so when I also mysteriously lost this new pair, we again haven't replaced them.

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/23/2024:  15:44:06

…general comments and unintended tutorial [things get more technical], [VA links at bottom]…



…about hearing aid adjustments to compensate for, or to ‘map’ YOUR impairment:



…depending on the maker/model, usually the more expensive models have a greater number of ‘programs’ – some folks refer to the programs as ‘channels’ but that’s technically incorrect. Each aids model will have a maximum number of programs – some models have zero programs, or 1 preset, while other models have say, 4 adjustable programs.



…each adjustable ‘program’ is exclusive to all other programs. You (i.e., your audiologist) actually ‘makes’ whatever ‘program’ you want. Each ‘program’ consists of blended computer based ‘filtering’ settings necessary for YOUR specific hearing environments preferences – such as, attending a ‘live music’ concert or, crowded/loud settings with loud conversation [restaurant or banquet venues or civil unrest protests come to mind] or, music jamming or, ‘general’ environment or, or, or…..



…for the more expensive units the ‘filtering’ adjustments are done through the use of hard-wire attachment from both hearing aids simultaneously through a software program that is displayed on the audiologist’s computer/computer screen. Using the mouse cursor the [expert] audiologist will move the frequency, gain, or headroom curves around while you are listening to these cursor movements. My posts about hearing aids does not promote any one make or model but this link > bernafon.co.za/professionals/o...out-oasis , is used here to illustrate the ‘Oasis’ hearing aid software. Check out the screen photo on the right side of the webpage. BTW.....during the cursor movements the audiologist's computer screen will show in real time the proximity of YOUR adjustments relative to what the 'normal' base line curve is for billions of human beings.



…with the less expensive models you typically get what ‘programs’ are already preset from the mfgr. Maybe your hearing aid model offers 1 program – depending. Maybe the ‘program’ is programmable/maybe not – depends on $$$.



…filtering is good but is ‘filtering’ the same as ‘bells and whistles? Filtering adjustments ‘give you back’ what hearing capabilities you’ve lost (well, not really, you simply have to realize that regardless, with a hearing disability you can no longer hear real/true sound – that’s why you’re shopping. From now on you will be hearing ‘manipulated’ sound through the hearing aids. But, in my thinking, ‘bells and whistles’ refers to what accessory/non-essential features each model comes with, or are optional – such as Bluetooth capability, TV signal, FM reception, neck fob or watch – yes, a watch. Useless shiney things and certain bells and whistles are distractions from the basic task at hand of getting the best, affordable, hearing aid units for you.



…I’ve repeatedly emphasized that finding an experienced and proficient audiologist to adjust your hearing aid settings is ultra important. MOST of the hearing aid ‘fitting’ technicians I’ve experienced cannot do this ‘properly’ or simply don’t know how to do this. Re-read John Yerxa's experience above.



…at the outset of being fitted with a new set of hearing aids it will likely take several days to weeks to re-educate your brain’s processing of sensory input from your ear mechanism. Within a short time (sometimes within hours) the new sound inputs will all sound like ‘normal’ hearing.



…the hearing aid purchasing transaction normally includes __x__ adjustment sessions for tweaking.



…you should now be able to hear birds chirping, whispers, and when you pee. (No joke – for some folks the peeing sound is a realization of sounds lost years ago.)



…………..end of general comments……

…………………………………………………………. .



to John Yerxa > good for you ! – seems like you found a competent audiologist ! They're as rare as hen's teeth.



to BanjoLink > as a veteran you may enroll in the VA health network care system. Even though you might have a ‘non-compensable’ hearing loss that is NOT service-connected, you may still be eligible, and therefore receive, life-long hearing impairment assistance and/or be provided with hearing aids. In general, receiving life-long medical assistance through the VA health system is the ‘People’s’ way of saying ‘thank you for your service so here’s some special benefits we will entitle you – forever’.



to all >

links >

a) AccessVA gives you a single login option for many VA websites and online applications. eauth.va.gov/accessva/about . To enquire specifically about your situation you may need to setup a verification log-in profile and password. I use ‘ID.me’ for all VA.gov, DoD, VA MyHealthEvet, and Social Security business.



b) The Veterans Health Benefits Handbook On-line (VHBH) > eauth.va.gov/accessva/about/vhbh



c) va.gov/health-care/#get-va-health-care



d) ‘FIND VA OR IN-NETWORK COMMUNITY CARE LOCATIONS’ > va.gov/find-locations/?facilityType=health



e) The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) accredits three types of representatives—Veterans Service Organization (VSO) representatives, attorneys, and agents—to help ensure that claimants have access to responsible and qualified representation on their VA benefits claims. Go to > benefits.va.gov/vso/ .



.............end of speech....remember, I am not an accredited VSO representative.

Edited by - banjoT1 on 04/23/2024 16:03:06

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/23/2024:  18:37:08

....eventually this thread will fizzle out and so will I. But until then......

….just in today regarding hearing aids for U.S. military RETIRED vets ,,,see @
military.com/benefits/veteran-...=20240423

HEARING AIDS FOR MILITARY RETIREES >
“The Defense Department's Retiree-At-Cost Hearing Aid Program (RACHAP) helps retirees buy hearing aids through certain military medical facilities at a government-negotiated cost.

The hearing aids provided are the same as those available to active-duty service members. The program is open to retirees who have hearing loss or tinnitus (ringing in the ears).”

“Retirees can obtain hearing aids at significant savings: Two hearing aids usually cost less than $2,000. Exact costs are variable and subject to change at any time without notice. Contact your nearest audiology clinic for further details.”

“Not every military medical facility is able to provide this program. …”

(ed note: FWIW....this linked info is aimed at career retirees WITHOUT a rated service-connected hearing disability/impairment.)

gcpicken - Posted - 04/24/2024:  17:20:18

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Originally posted by steve davis

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Originally posted by STUD figmo Al

quote:

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Originally posted by steve davis

When nerves are severed there's no hope.

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That's not quite true annamore..

There are like cyber implants that folks get now..

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I'll ask my VA doctor about this at my appointment tomorrow.

Thanks,Al.

Without my aids, I can't even hear my phone ring. And periodically, my immune system takes it farther down. I'm not crying, I am grateful every day for what I have. That said, the banjo is not the best instrument, as it throws off overtones, that the hearing aids amplify, and you don't really know how it sounds to others. In any event at some point I may have to consider cochlear implants or bone conduction "solutions", (Steve - I think, but don't go by this, that they require a working auditory nerve) but it's worth asking about. That said, I would guess that neither of them would make it possible to play an instrument. As we get older, we lose abilities, and we just have to find joy in something else. I did Ironman Triathlons. Now I do weights and walk on a treadmill. You set new goals and move on.

Anyway, love to all, keep on pushing and find joy where you can my friends!

Edited by - gcpicken on 04/24/2024 17:22:16

banjoT1 - Posted - 04/24/2024:  18:30:10

.....that's right gcpicken.....good points.....you said:

'...... As we get older, we lose abilities, and we just have to find joy in something else. I did Ironman Triathlons. Now I do weights and walk on a treadmill. You set new goals and move on....'
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As I was crossing the threshold from my 30's over to my 40's I began to notice the onset of certain arthritis ouch-ies but still had sights on future things I wanted to accomplish and certain happy places I envisioned to be at say, during my 60's and 70's. And, way back, I was sure that could be made to happen.

But, as feet, knees, hips, and spinal osteoarthritis slowly crept in over the last 35+ years most of my personal expectations and general anticipated life's path became less and less certain due to mobility issues and the side-effects of prescription drugs.

In short, as similar to your 'life adjustments', many folks such as us have been forced to wrestle with how to mentally cope with what bad things befall us - to be OK with what can't be changed (realistically); and to be resilient and resourceful with a steely determination to zig and zag around what tries to way-lay or stop us.

If I get too much into a mood of despair I'll quickly ask myself how the old folks coped with severe physical problems 150 years ago. What about the old farmers who had to stook wheat, or the homesteaders who cleared fields to grow corn, or the old timers who split oak firewood at 20 below to keep the family warm(?). Thems aren't the 'good ole days' but the old folk's perseverance to do what had to be done, does - from time to time - give me some spurts of inspiration and strength. Then proceed forth-ward without complaining or making noise.

steve davis - Posted - 04/25/2024:  10:38:07

I brought up my hearing/implant question to my primary care doctor yesterday and she told me I have a regularly scheduled ear doctor appointment in a week and will get the definite word on that,then.
It would be nice to get stereo hearing back again,but I got used to "right only" 18 years ago.
The doctor back then said the nerves to that ear were severed and that he taped them to each other,but to not expect anything to happen.