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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Nechville Labor/Staff Issues?


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ceemonster - Posted - 02/26/2024:  07:32:15


I just caught up with all this and with what little is available to peruse online. Apparently there were FB posts by the owner-side that have disappeared. This situation, and this discussion and the opinions and points of view are super-interesting, but the facts are not known and I think that is worth bearing in mind. The place for weighing the facts is a court of law, where evidentiary standards apply, there is comprehensive knowledge by a trier of fact as to relevant laws and regulations and their applicability, and there is some standard for vetting the credibility of accounts. It's really unwarranted to stigmatize Mr. Nechville for not jumping onto an online forum or some social media account to take the podium in his own behalf, because these are inappropriate forums for weighing evidence and facts. He's no doubt been advised by counsel to save it for a forum that is appropriate.



I see at Glassdoor that the current estimated hourly for employees at the Collings factory in Texas is about $26. Collings is a much larger concern with a much larger output than Nechville, and in many instances much-higher per-instrument price tags.    I don't know how much time people spend reading discussions at forums devoted to US-made acoustic instruments such as guitars or mandolins, but the price hikes since the pandemic have been staggering. That adjective is not an exaggeration. There are threads discussing how boutique or even small factory instruments that were once expensive but aspirational are now simply beyond reach to all but the rich. Rising labor costs are only one element in that, but they are an element.



Another set of facts that is unknown in the discussion are the real and hard facts about how small indie US acoustic instrument shops make it work in today's climate. Or even factories like CF Martin. How did it work at Stelling? How does it work at Huber? How does it work for Pisgah?     In many cases, it is one banjo maker largely doing it on their own or with a partner who is a relative--they have a big outlay for equipment and machines, but they are not maintaining a staff. They may pay an assistant or two, but it's a good bet that per-shift hours stay low enough to avoid triggering the requirement for various benefits.  It's also a good bet that many of the very fine US small-shop acoustic stringed instrument makers simply could not exist without keeping it to essentially a one-person operation with a few part-timers at most.



The granular specifics of these realities might not be enjoyable to learn about. But I do think it bears keeping in mind--the hard facts about the specific realities of how it is done at small-scale indie instrument concerns are another set of facts not known at a micro-level to opiners on the internet.


Edited by - ceemonster on 02/26/2024 07:47:27

Alex Z - Posted - 02/26/2024:  07:34:15


Mr. G-Moll joins the BHO on Feb 15, makes one post on Feb 16.



And 8 pages later the torches and pitchforks are still marching.



BHO:  You've been manipulated.   



Mr. Frank sums it up pretty well.  

Mark Douglas - Posted - 02/26/2024:  07:38:14


quote:

Originally posted by banjoy

 







Rather than sell my Nechville, I think this all made it that much more valuable. 






 



More valuable? ..... Really?



Quite the opposite I would think.



Turtle Hill has been selling Nechville banjos for quite some time. They like to tout them for the following reasons:



 



1. The most comfortable banjo.



2. Great tunneled fifth string neck.



3. Easy adjustable neck angle.



4. Perfect head tension adjustment



5. Unique finish and inlay work.



 



Wait a minute....nothing there about tonal characteristics? Why?



Because they just dont sound that good. Plain and simple. Oh, oh what about that guy on stage playing his Nechville through a board and state of the art sound system. He sounded pretty good. Yeah, go ahead and plug it in....if that's your thing. But acoustically speaking... these banjos just don't cut it!



When is the last time you were at a jam session....you saw and heard someone playing a Nechville and someone runs over and says:



"My goodness....that banjo sounds amazing. I've got to have one!"



 


Edited by - Mark Douglas on 02/26/2024 07:47:09

UTM - Posted - 02/26/2024:  08:04:44


Sherry;



You have forewarned everyone participating here with the best of intentions.



There are been words used here with the very worst intentions. Words have been strung together

with ABSOLUTELY zero factual information. Wild speculation, even by moderators, as if they have no moral obligation to use facts to make their case.



Frank's remarks have summarized what is happening here perfectly in my opinion.



You have proven in the past that you have the authority to stop this relentless, mindless and immoral attack by members that have been proven to possess nothing that even resembles respect for themselves or others.



Please lock this topic, if only to get Tom Nechville out of this pen long enough to allow some meaningful information to emerge. If necessary I will simply restate Frank's comment that caused you to intervene with your overdue (IMO) warning to lock the topic. Locking me out personally, would be far less punishment than seeing the few witless "chickens" among us have the satisfaction of savaging someones entire professional life with impunity. Please.intervene!


Edited by - UTM on 02/26/2024 08:09:20

jason999 - Posted - 02/26/2024:  08:11:45


quote:

Originally posted by Mark Douglas

quote:

Originally posted by banjoy

 







Rather than sell my Nechville, I think this all made it that much more valuable. 






 



More valuable? ..... Really?



Quite the opposite I would think.



Turtle Hill has been selling Nechville banjos for quite some time. They like to tout them for the following reasons:



 



1. The most comfortable banjo.



2. Great tunneled fifth string neck.



3. Easy adjustable neck angle.



4. Perfect head tension adjustment



5. Unique finish and inlay work.



 



Wait a minute....nothing there about tonal characteristics? Why?



Because they just dont sound that good. Plain and simple. Oh, oh what about that guy on stage playing his Nechville through a board and state of the art sound system. He sounded pretty good. Yeah, go ahead and plug it in....if that's your thing. But acoustically speaking... these banjos just don't cut it!



When is the last time you were at a jam session....you saw and heard someone playing a Nechville and someone runs over and says:



"My goodness....that banjo sounds amazing. I've got to have one!"




Mark,



What is your affiliation with this situation?  Do you have first hand knowledge?



You certainly have a strong desire to dominate the conversation. I'm curious why?


Edited by - jason999 on 02/26/2024 08:13:14

Mark Douglas - Posted - 02/26/2024:  08:22:42


quote:

Originally posted by jason999

quote:

Originally posted by Mark Douglas

quote:

Originally posted by banjoy

 







Rather than sell my Nechville, I think this all made it that much more valuable. 






 



More valuable? ..... Really?



Quite the opposite I would think.



Turtle Hill has been selling Nechville banjos for quite some time. They like to tout them for the following reasons:



 



1. The most comfortable banjo.



2. Great tunneled fifth string neck.



3. Easy adjustable neck angle.



4. Perfect head tension adjustment



5. Unique finish and inlay work.



 



Wait a minute....nothing there about tonal characteristics? Why?



Because they just dont sound that good. Plain and simple. Oh, oh what about that guy on stage playing his Nechville through a board and state of the art sound system. He sounded pretty good. Yeah, go ahead and plug it in....if that's your thing. But acoustically speaking... these banjos just don't cut it!



When is the last time you were at a jam session....you saw and heard someone playing a Nechville and someone runs over and says:



"My goodness....that banjo sounds amazing. I've got to have one!"




Mark,



What is your affiliation with this situation?  Do you have first hand knowledge?



 






 



Jason,



I've owned and played these banjos.



Just don't like them.



I think they are way overrated and overpriced.



By the way, I see from your classified history,You've owned some pretty darned good banjos.  I didn't see a Nechville listed. Have you owned and played one?



Thanks for your post.



Much appreciated!



 


Edited by - Mark Douglas on 02/26/2024 08:29:49

Texasbanjo - Posted - 02/26/2024:  08:34:19


Some people must push the envelope. Everyone was warned. Locked.

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