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Ks_5-picker - Posted - 10/27/2023:  21:24:10


This pot is from a “Mystic” tenor banjo. I’ve read that it’s a Bacon made banjo. Does the number correspond with a year of manufacture for Bacons?


Edited by - Bill Rogers on 10/27/2023 23:52:31


rcc56 - Posted - 10/28/2023:  00:03:49


This is the first I've heard of a Mystic tenor. Lyon & Healy made some spunover 5 strings with the Mystic brand, so I tend to associate the name with them.



Was yours built by Bacon?? We certainly can't tell from just a pic of the serial number. We need lots more pics to identify the maker of your banjo.



If it is a Bacon product, the serial number is most likely from sometime after Bacon purchased Gretsch-- could be anytime from c. 1940 until Gretsch quit offering banjos [perhaps as late as the 1960's???].


Edited by - rcc56 on 10/28/2023 00:20:36

rcc56 - Posted - 10/28/2023:  00:56:33


Correction [dyslexic moment]:


 


quote:

Originally posted by rcc56

This is the first I've heard of a Mystic tenor. Lyon & Healy made some spunover 5 strings with the Mystic brand, so I tend to associate the name with them.



Was yours built by Bacon?? We certainly can't tell from just a pic of the serial number. We need lots more pics to identify the maker of your banjo.



If it is a Bacon product, the serial number is most likely from sometime after Gretsch purchased Bacon-- could be anytime from c. 1940 until Gretsch quit offering banjos [perhaps as late as the 1960's???].






 

beezaboy - Posted - 10/28/2023:  07:16:13


1931 if it is truly a Bacon rim. Bacon did make private label banjos in the 1930's.  Here is an old thread where we tried to list all of the Bacon private label banjos.  banjohangout.org/archive/183870  Mystic isn't on the list but the list wasn't exhaustive.  Attached is a serial number from a Bacon Lyric tenor banjo for comparison.  I don't recall having seen a Bacon serial number with a space in the numbers.  I don't think it is a Gretsch/Bacon number because Gretsch did not serial number stamp the rim only the dowel and I do not think Gretsch was making post-war private label banjos.


Edited by - beezaboy on 10/28/2023 07:18:47


beezaboy - Posted - 10/28/2023:  08:21:32


Edit: Actually Gretsch did make the "Bacon Belmont" banjos for Montgomery Ward in the post-war era so my blanket statement that no Gretsch private label banjos in the post war era was not accurate. The Belmonts did have 5-digit serial numbers stamped on the dowel around the 1960's and beyond.  Could the OP rim be a Gretsch Bacon Belmont rim.  Unlikely but possible and would be an outlier with a rim stamped serial number.


Edited by - beezaboy on 10/28/2023 08:29:37

Ks_5-picker - Posted - 10/28/2023:  11:41:36


Here’s ice of the neck and resonator,Lyric IS what it says!
I said mystic but was wrong.
I don’t have the pot in house right now it’s at my luthiers having some setup on the 5 string neck I using.
The tension hoop is 24 hook notched but it’s not mastertone spacing that’s why I was thinking maybe Bacon.



 

Ks_5-picker - Posted - 10/28/2023:  11:50:06


Resonator


Ks_5-picker - Posted - 10/28/2023:  17:28:08


quote:

Originally posted by Ks_5-picker

Here’s pictures of the neck and resonator,Lyric IS what it says!

I said mystic but was wrong.

I don’t have the pot in house right now it’s at my luthiers having some setup on the 5 string neck I using.

The tension hoop is 24 hook notched but it’s not mastertone spacing that’s why I was thinking maybe Bacon.






 

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