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cherylblanchard - Posted - 05/17/2023: 11:43:29
I can't figure out a roll pattern. I hear it all the time while listening to bluegrass. If you listen to All I need by Kenny and Amanda Smith: youtube.com/watch?v=at_1KFpaQyo you can hear it as 23, 34, 52 and longer period at 238. It appears to be played over several different chords.
To me it sounds like G played on the open 5th, 1st string 5th fret, and second string eighth fret. I believe I heard it played at Banjo Camp North and was described as a Stanley lick. Can anyone tab it out or tell me if I'm on the right track and what the timing might be.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/17/2023: 15:30:09
The first bar and a half is just a forward roll starting off on the 1st string. Maybe that'll make it a little easier to understand.
cherylblanchard - Posted - 05/19/2023: 06:53:38
That's easy enough to play but it doesn't seem to be what I'm hearing. Maybe I'm not playing it fast enough.
Jack Baker - Posted - 05/19/2023: 13:00:47
Right on the Money Rick,
Not exactly my taste in licks but good job....Jack
cherylblanchard - Posted - 05/20/2023: 06:15:55
omg. Thank you Rick and Jack. That sound recording made a huge difference in how I hear it. Speed is what I need!!!
Ira Gitlin - Posted - 05/20/2023: 06:41:44
While Rick's tab gets close (maybe even exactly; I've just given the cut a cursory listen but haven dissected it thoroughly) to the actual notes you hear on that recording, it immediately struck me that his tab doesn't represent how the banjo player is actually playing those notes. Yes, that recording is in the key of C, and yes, the chord at those points in the song is a G chord, but the banjo is clearly being played with a capo at the fifth fret.
So to reproduce the sound on the recording, capo at the fifth fret and play as if you're in G. Most of that rolling you hear would actually be on the open 4th string, 3rd string fretted at fret 2, and open 1st string. That 3-4 hammeron on the 3rd string in Rick's tab is actually a 3-4 slide or hammer on the 4th string.
I don't know your level of playing experience, Cheryl, but if you've got a little bit of Scruggs work under your belt, you may find that playing it as I'm saying here makes the lick/phrase feel more familiar and comfortable than in Rick's uncapo'd version.
cherylblanchard - Posted - 05/20/2023: 06:54:10
Thank you Ira. I'll give that a try. It does have more of the note I predominantly hear playing it that way.
cherylblanchard - Posted - 05/20/2023: 10:09:32
What program do you use to write tabs like that Rick?
mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 05/21/2023: 22:13:18
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Originally posted by cherylblanchard
You can hear it better in the very beginning of Rich man's Daughter by Volume 5
youtube.com/watch?v=Ht-5dgp3Sos
Cheryl, what you're alluding to is the Ralph Stanley style which is based on the forward roll. Use your index finger to play strings 4 3 2, your middle finger for the first string and your thumb to play the fifth. The spice comes from the hammer ons and offs, slides and bends that he added to this index lead style. Look at 1:20 of this video if you would.
youtube.com/watch?v=bCdljTiYOdc
cherylblanchard - Posted - 05/22/2023: 10:10:04
Thanks for all the information Rick. I've printed from table edit but haven't tried to write from it. Good video on Ralph Stanley style
Alex Z - Posted - 05/23/2023: 09:59:14
" that recording is in the key of C, and yes, the chord at those points in the song is a G chord, but the banjo is clearly being played with a capo at the fifth fret. "
"So to reproduce the sound on the recording, capo at the fifth fret and play as if you're in G. Most of that rolling you hear would actually be on the open 4th string, 3rd string fretted at fret 2, and open 1st string. "
That's it exactly.
-- The strings in order would be played: 4 3 1 4 1 4 3 1
-- The fingers used would be: T I M T M T I M
