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HarryHyde - Posted - 05/09/2023:  07:57:58


How about a sub forum, not about underwater vehicles, but about band stuff? I see a lot of talk about band logistics, equipment setup, band social dynamics, etc. it might be real nice to have that in one place. Kind of like this:
Band Topics Play in a band? Want to play in a band? Discuss all aspects of band life here!

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/09/2023:  08:23:44


We have a Live Sound, Recording and Electronics forum that covers a lot of what you're suggesting.

Since different genres need different things for their band, I doubt that a sub-forum would work for all genres.

Eric is the only one who can make a decision for more forums and I think it would take a lot of interest from members for him to consider this one.

Old Hickory - Posted - 05/09/2023:  09:11:54


quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Since different genres need different things for their band, I doubt that a sub-forum would work for all genres.






That's a very narrow view looking only at equipment.



So, yes, while the Live Sound forum covers that one aspect of performing, I believe Harry is talking about those aspects of band life that cut across genres. I've been in and out of bands since I was 14. Top 40, progressive rock, country rock, boomer rock, Celtic, Americana, and of course bluegrass. All different genres. But a lot of the same dynamics, issues and challenges.



How much to practice. How to find gigs. How much to charge. How little to settle for. How to add members. What songs will we play? Who decides? How do we arrange them? Do we copy other versions? What's good enough? Who owns equipment? Who owns the name? Do we have a leader?



Every band I've been in has dealt with most of these issues. Most bands dealt with them all to some degree. And this only scratches the surface. 



Band life is a lot more than choosing equipment for live sound and recording.

KCJones - Posted - 05/09/2023:  09:21:51


The primary prerequisite for creating a new sub-forum is post volume. There's no reason to subdivide something unless the volume is so high that it's hard to sort and topics drop off the first page before people have a chance to see them. Is that the case with the current sub-forum arrangement on BHO?

We have an "other music related topics" sub-forum.

NotABanjoYoda - Posted - 05/09/2023:  09:25:17


He who has the van is the man...lol

Im not sure a band sub forum is in order. But maybe a bluegrass callout sub. Where people can post where to play or contact nfo for pros who need a gig.

GrahamHawker - Posted - 05/09/2023:  09:46:36


quote:

Originally posted by KCJones

The primary prerequisite for creating a new sub-forum is post volume. There's no reason to subdivide something unless the volume is so high that it's hard to sort and topics drop off the first page before people have a chance to see them. Is that the case with the current sub-forum arrangement on BHO?






This is exactly right.



And overall BanjoHangout is too quiet for more sub forums and one or two could already be combined into one.

janolov - Posted - 05/09/2023:  10:54:15


Perhaps there could be a BandHangOut, focused on bands and ensembles, independent of instrument. And maybe with different sub-forums for music question, technical questions, social question and so on.

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/09/2023:  11:19:38


quote:

Originally posted by Old Hickory

quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Since different genres need different things for their band, I doubt that a sub-forum would work for all genres.






That's a very narrow view looking only at equipment.



So, yes, while the Live Sound forum covers that one aspect of performing, I believe Harry is talking about those aspects of band life that cut across genres. I've been in and out of bands since I was 14. Top 40, progressive rock, country rock, boomer rock, Celtic, Americana, and of course bluegrass. All different genres. But a lot of the same dynamics, issues and challenges.



How much to practice. How to find gigs. How much to charge. How little to settle for. How to add members. What songs will we play? Who decides? How do we arrange them? Do we copy other versions? What's good enough? Who owns equipment? Who owns the name? Do we have a leader?



Every band I've been in has dealt with most of these issues. Most bands dealt with them all to some degree. And this only scratches the surface. 



Band life is a lot more than choosing equipment for live sound and recording.






I didn't say the Live Sound, etc., was everything, I said it covered "a lot", and it does.



Every band has to figure out its dynamics and although a forum might let you bounce ideas back and forth, nothing will work better than talking to one another and compromising on any problems that arise.   



Most genres cover ore at least talk about  how much to practice, how much to charge, etc.  No forum can decide for  you how many members to have, how much or little to charge, what songs to play and in what arrangements.  Again, that is a band decision that needs to be talked about and figured out.



As far as a leader, some bands have one, others do it by decision of the majority, others probably fall somewhere in between.   What works for one band will be anathema for others.  



 

Old Hickory - Posted - 05/09/2023:  11:58:51


You said: "I doubt that a sub-forum would work for all genres."



I say: All genres face many of the same band issues.



It would be a sub-forum about bands and performing. Non-genre-specific.



But I agree that a band sub-forum isn't really needed and the "Other Music-Related Topics" forum/sub-forum is sufficient for the band-related discussions that crop up -- which isn't many.



You said: "No forum can decide for  you how many members to have, how much or little to charge, what songs to play and in what arrangements.  Again, that is a band decision that needs to be talked about and figured out."



Oh, for goodness' sake. Really? You think that's what I'm suggesting?



Of course no forum would decide those issues for anyone seeking help. No forum "decides" any of the countless other issues that people come here to talk about, either. In the "Shopping Advice" forum, the forum doesn't  decide what banjo someone should buy. People come for advice. It's right there in the name of the forum.



Likewise in a hypothetical Band-Related forum people would come to talk about and maybe get advice on the band-related issues they're facing -- because here they can avail themselves of the experience of thousands of musicians worldwide who play or have played in bands and may have dealt with the very same issues. People would bring their band questions here for the same reasons they bring all their other questions on other music and banjo topics here.



Of course, a band's members have to work out their band issues for themselves. But what if it's a band full of people who have never been in bands before and have no clue how other bands have dealt with the same issues? Or if they don't know whether the solution they've decided on makes sense? Maybe they'd appreciate confirmation from experienced people that they're on the right track. It's called a "reality check."



Having said all that, the fact is people have already brought their band-related issues here: The band doesn't practice enough and doesn't get better. Disagreements on how traditional or modern to be. Not knowing how to tell a member they're not very good and have to get better or go. Getting ripped off by under-paying venues. We've seen all this here, and more.



If everybody were capable of finding their own answers and resolving interpersonal and group issues on their own, the advice industry would vanish, there'd be no reason for forums, and therapists would go out of business.



But again, these topics don't come up frequently enough to warrant a dedicated forum.



 

Bill Rogers - Posted - 05/09/2023:  13:31:09


It remains that BHO is a banjo site. The posts already indicate that a “band” forum or sub-forum would devolve into many discussions utterly tangential to banjos. I think the suggestion of a separate site for bands (however you would delimit the term) is the better answer. If demand were too low, it would die. IMO, band-issue posts have never proliferated on BHO to the point of needing a forum.


Edited by - Bill Rogers on 05/09/2023 13:32:17

KCJones - Posted - 05/09/2023:  19:08:58


quote:

Originally posted by HarryHyde

How about a sub forum, not about underwater vehicles, but about band stuff? I see a lot of talk about band logistics, equipment setup, band social dynamics, etc. it might be real nice to have that in one place. Kind of like this:

Band Topics Play in a band? Want to play in a band? Discuss all aspects of band life here!






 



Harry if you've got something just go ahead and post it into "Other Music Related Topics". It'll show up on the new thread ticker and you should get some responses. There's lots of people here that have been on the business end of banjo. 

HarryHyde - Posted - 05/09/2023:  19:10:56


That will work. Thanks, love the site!

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