5B-Ranch - Posted - 02/07/2023:  06:57:17

I live a very sheltered life I guess and I don’t remember doing anything like this as a youngster.
What ever they need to get the adrenaline going go for it but I will not be giving anything to their GoFundMe.

nypost.com/2023/02/06/death-di...n-tiktok/

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 02/07/2023:  07:05:26

Mebee..if i were bieng chased by ..Tigers...... :0/

Texasbanjo - Posted - 02/07/2023:  08:16:46

Looks to me like they get into a dive position right before they enter the water rather than bellyflopping. Maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.

5B-Ranch - Posted - 02/07/2023:  12:47:29

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Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Looks to me like they get into a dive position right before they enter the water rather than bellyflopping. Maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.

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You are probably seeing exactly that TB

"and then to close their bodies and get into one of the landing positions as late as possible."

Paul R - Posted - 02/08/2023:  15:21:10

Seems like yet another concept in search of a reason.

AndrewD - Posted - 02/09/2023:  01:14:01

Find a high enough platform over a deep enough sea and you'll find kids leaping in. Always have, The British version is 'tombstoning'. I did someting similar in Greece 50 years ago. Not sure I'd want to do it in the chilly waters of Norway.

quartertoner - Posted - 02/09/2023:  02:37:48

They’re not belly-flopping. I doubt that anyone who belly-flopped from a height of 80 ft would be in a hurry to volunteer to do it again. I've unintentionally belly-flopped from about 15ft. It hurts.



The common British name for this activity was ‘arsing around’ until social media came along. As kids we’d do a version but more typically in a tucked position. And not from 80ft either, more likely half that height.

Edited by - quartertoner on 02/09/2023 02:45:06

quartertoner - Posted - 02/09/2023:  02:53:01

This was one example here when three people were injured at the same place on the same day. It looks too close to the beach but many Dorset beaches have a notoriously steep shelf drop-off so even 40 or 50 ft from shore the water is deep. Weymouth is one exception, but it is why you don't see many people 'paddling' in the surf along parts of the Dorset coast. Most of us kids discovered that surprisingly quickly when were 6 or 7 years old.



bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-52867140

Edited by - quartertoner on 02/09/2023 03:07:05

AndrewD - Posted - 02/09/2023:  02:54:54

True. I remember jumping off Pulpit Rock near Portland Bill in the 70's. We didn't call it tombstoning then. We called it 'jumping off Pulpit Rock'. 70 feet. Calm day, high high tide in late summer and a straight entry and it's not too dangerous. Any one of those not true and it is.

quartertoner - Posted - 02/09/2023:  03:02:26

Yes, I read the description of ‘tombstoning’ and it’s meant to be vertical feet-first entry.



We just called that ‘jumping in’ too.

Edited by - quartertoner on 02/09/2023 03:08:07

Buddur - Posted - 02/09/2023:  05:19:57

I saw that few days ago. The woman in the video is an experienced diver...not just some idiot jumping off a high place.  The idiots are the inexperienced ones doing this. Shame on her for influencing this dangerous activity.

Don't get me wrong, when I was a kid there were many accessible strip mines in my area that had high cliffs.   I jumped off every one I was ever at.   And although I could do one and a halfs, gainers, and all I had enough sense no to do them on the very high cliffs.  Never would I try what that girl did at that height and never should any inexperienced person either.

Edited by - Buddur on 02/09/2023 05:28:08

quartertoner - Posted - 02/10/2023:  00:46:18

^^ This.



And as Andrew said if everything goes to plan the kid surfaces and swims back to shore.



But a group of thrill-seeking kids in high spirits and planning don’t usually go together.

Theres plenty of time and ways for things to seriously not go to plan in the drop from 80ft. And the injured and incapacitated jumper is then literally in deep water.

It is irresponsible for the experienced diver in the video to give the impression that running and hurling yourself off an 80ft drop is 'ok' for the inexperienced and niaive.

Edited by - quartertoner on 02/10/2023 01:02:46

AndrewD - Posted - 02/10/2023:  02:16:32

So there should be rules banning the publication of videos of any activity where people doing it wrong could cause themselves injury ? Reductio ad absurdum I know. But where would you draw the line or establish the rules of 'don't do this at home' warnings - as it seems you think there should be a line and a bunch of rules . You can't legislate against stupid.
I'd be interested in Wet Spaniel 's take on this as a mountain rescue volunteer who, I'd guess, frequently has to rescue the 'inexperienced and naive' victims of their own folly.

STUD figmo Al - Posted - 02/10/2023:  04:10:36

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Originally posted by Buddur

I saw that few days ago. The woman in the video is an experienced diver...not just some idiot jumping off a high place.  The idiots are the inexperienced ones doing this. Shame on her for influencing this dangerous activity.

Don't get me wrong, when I was a kid there were many accessible strip mines in my area that had high cliffs.   I jumped off every one I was ever at.   And although I could do one and a halfs, gainers, and all I had enough sense no to do them on the very high cliffs.  Never would I try what that girl did at that height and never should any inexperienced person either.

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N..ofcoarse annah movie..

That shows a thrill seekin stunt..

Should be band..

Where's that font when ya need it..

Wet Spaniel - Posted - 02/10/2023:  05:38:39

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Originally posted by AndrewD

So there should be rules banning the publication of videos of any activity where people doing it wrong could cause themselves injury ? Reductio ad absurdum I know. But where would you draw the line or establish the rules of 'don't do this at home' warnings - as it seems you think there should be a line and a bunch of rules . You can't legislate against stupid.

I'd be interested in Wet Spaniel 's take on this as a mountain rescue volunteer who, I'd guess, frequently has to rescue the 'inexperienced and naive' victims of their own folly.

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Interesting point Andrew.  I think I'm lucky in that most of our callouts due to misadventure or lack of knowledge result in a cold/wet 'casualty' who has the opportunity to dwell on their poor judgment in mild discomfort whilst we get there to help them out.  Approximately 40% of our shouts are what we would class as avoidable but there's maybe only 5% that are so stupid that it warrants tearing someone a new arsehole for - as we are usually called out by the police, we tend to hand them over to the cops for the talking to if its incredibly stupid.  But generally, a couple of hours quiet reflection whilst poorly equipped in the dark or atrocious weather usually does it for us.

Owen - Posted - 02/10/2023:  06:27:29

Is there any room for, "Because it's there."?

quartertoner - Posted - 02/10/2023:  07:07:30

There’s a balance to be found.



When there is a drowning or a fall death some folks demand fences are put along rivers and cliff edges. We can’t and shouldn’t eliminate danger. But at the same time we do have a responsibility to not recklessly encourage kids to injure themselves by making something look safer than it is.

Education. Give people the facts (and training if relevant). Then they have more chance to make informed choices in relation to enjoying risk.

Creating the appearance of safe fun that masks the facts (e.g. in this example that the diver is trained) and minimising the danger aspect can be a deception. If someone has and understands the facts and chooses to take the risk then that's their own look-out.

One thing we often see is day-trippers - people away from their familiar surroundings - getting harmed and killed because they don't understand the risk. In the immediate locality here we see repeat situation where non-locals think it's cool to take their 4X4 out for some off-road fun at low tide at Brean. Maybe it's watching too many implausible and deceptive car adverts? Then they realise too late that their 'rugged' expensive shiny car is stuck up to it's axles in mud. And the tide claims another family car. The facts are easily accessible. Those folks somehow miss linking up with the facts until the harm is done.

Edited by - quartertoner on 02/10/2023 07:31:10