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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: I've been scammed


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starspace6 - Posted - 05/09/2022:  17:54:59


I thought I was purchasing a Deering banjo last week from the classifieds. Turns out it was a scam. A couple of moderators told me I was on my own, the BH doesn't get involved with transactions. So apparently sellers aren't screened. Perhaps a disclaimer about the risks of buying would be appropriate...

mrphysics55 - Posted - 05/09/2022:  17:59:02


Sorry to hear that.
Can you share any details?

Omeboy - Posted - 05/09/2022:  18:34:11


Depending on how you paid for the transaction, you might be able to get your funds back.



People who buy and sell on this website are also given ratings by their customers.  That rating is a good indicator of honesty and integrity.


Edited by - Omeboy on 05/09/2022 18:36:27

starspace6 - Posted - 05/09/2022:  18:35:14


I saw a banjo I wanted to buy and sent the money via PayPal and when the seller prepared for shipment she didn't know about the $60 for insurance and wanted me to pay it. I told her I would split it and sent her an additional $35 towards it. That was the last time I heard from her after several attempts to contact her.

JollyRogers - Posted - 05/09/2022:  18:39:53


Seems pretty open and closed case for a PP dispute, hopefully you didn’t gift the money, and can have it returned.

doryman - Posted - 05/09/2022:  20:56:33


quote:

Originally posted by starspace6

I saw a banjo I wanted to buy and sent the money via PayPal and when the seller prepared for shipment she didn't know about the $60 for insurance and wanted me to pay it. I told her I would split it and sent her an additional $35 towards it. That was the last time I heard from her after several attempts to contact her.






When, exactly, was the "last time your heard from her."  If you bought the banjo last week, then had another round of communications regarding insurance, and today is Monday, there is a chance that she just hasn't gotten back to you YET.  

35planar - Posted - 05/09/2022:  21:12:51


If you paid through PayPal and used Friends and Family you have no recourse unless you have a credit card backup for your paypal with buyer protection. Then you might be able to deal with your credit card company. If you used regular paypal, then you do have buyer protection.

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 05/09/2022:  21:28:30


Moderators have enough problems without having to pursue every scammer in the banjo world. They do screen people, but no one is perfect. there's an old saying "caveat emptor," or let the buyer beware. Some responsibility must always lie with the buyer. Perhaps you can get your money back, depeding, of course, on how you paid, but in any case maybe you need to do more checking yourself; an expesive lesson, but a valuable one.

Sorry, but I just don't have much sympathy in these cases. I've been cheated a few times, as have many others, but in looking back, in most cases I was pretty lax, lazy, and stupid, or I wouldn't have made such mistakes. I had to learn to live with myself and move on.

starspace6 - Posted - 05/10/2022:  05:12:01


Not looking for sympathy, just making people aware of what's out there...

sziegler3 - Posted - 05/10/2022:  05:50:07


quote:

Originally posted by starspace6

Not looking for sympathy, just making people aware of what's out there...






As I mentioned in another thread, if I were in the market for a new banjo, using the classifieds here would be my LAST choice. 

35planar - Posted - 05/10/2022:  06:20:41


Victim blaming is never appropriate in any situation. Look up that person online, contact them in an alternate way if you can. Follow up with a resolution dept. of whatever payment method you used. A similar issue was resolved on BHO two weeks ago because ths seller was a long time member and was called out publically in the forum. The seller was shamed into doing the right thing because the buyer stuck to the truth, never insulting the seller.

starspace6 - Posted - 05/10/2022:  06:45:20


I just reread the thread and didn't see any blaming or insulting...

kd8tzc - Posted - 05/10/2022:  07:04:48


I just bought a banjo from someone here and we used escrow.com to do the transaction. It was the first time I used them and although it took a bit longer, I really felt safe with it. I have no affiliation with them, but any of the escrow services I would think work the same way. You make the payment, the seller uploads an invoice for the goods, and once your money clears, they hold onto it, and then tell the seller to ship. Once you receive it you have a pre-arranged amount of time to inspect the product. If anything doesn't meet your expectations, you return the product to the seller and once they receive it back I believe you get your money back.

The seller I worked with though was a pleasure to work with and would easily buy something from them again. It really sucks when you get burned. Who knows, maybe a family emergency came up and that is why you have not heard back. It sounds like you already sent the money via PP, and as others have said, if you paid via friends and family to get around the fee, then you are on your own. I hope that's not the case.

stelldeergibber - Posted - 05/10/2022:  20:03:40


As 35planar said, Paypal will get your money back except in a case where you've used "Friends and Family". We don't know if you used Paypal, but it's worth explaining this to the sellers who decide to be cheap and try to use F and F to avoid the Paypal fees. In the first place, Paypals' intent is that the seller pays it's fees, not the buyer, so you are trying to scam Paypal and you also leaving your buyer unprotected if you get him to agree to that. You can always charge 3% more if you really need that money. In my own personal experience, out of hundreds of times I've used Paypal, two times I made an error in the address I was sending it to. The first time it didn't matter, because the address I sent it to was nonexistent. You get your money back in a month or so. The other time I made a mistake in the address, it was a girl or lady who decided to just keep the money after being contacted by Paypal when I opened a case. She didn't return it, she was just going to keep it, so Paypal took the money out of her account and put it in mine. That simple. They also told me they wouldn't have helped me if it had been listed as Friends and Family. I have given up deals on the Hangout with sellers who want me to send money through Friends and Family for this reason, I won't go that way.

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