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RubinBanjo - Posted - 03/22/2022:  09:37:28


I recently traded for a 1959 TB-250, which the lister said was all original (except for the neck). The tone ring appears to have 24 holes in it. I thought Gibson was mostly doing 4 hole rings in this era. Was Gibson also doing 24 hole archtop rings?

Any insights. would be much appreciated!

M

kyleb - Posted - 03/22/2022:  09:41:06


pictures will help. whats the fon? I remember joe spann talking about a "mystery" tone ring from the era. 


Edited by - kyleb on 03/22/2022 09:41:40

Bob Rodgers - Posted - 03/22/2022:  09:43:56


Should be a 4 hole semi circle archtop ring. FON should be 9-xxxx-xx

RubinBanjo - Posted - 03/22/2022:  09:51:51


Here are a few pictures. Couldn't get a great angle on the ring, but it definitely has more than 4 holes.

Bob Smakula - Posted - 03/22/2022:  10:27:29


RubinBanjo

Post the pictures directly to the forum page and you will get more comments.

Bob Smakula

RubinBanjo - Posted - 03/22/2022:  10:32:23


Hi Bob,

Thanks for the tip. I am having some trouble finding a way to post directly to the Collector's Corner forum. Are the attached pictures not coming through?

Thanks,
M

RioStat - Posted - 03/22/2022:  10:57:27


Here's one of the OP's photos.  I would say these extra holes were done by some previous owner.....such activities are not unheard of, and it's never surprising what people have done to instruments over the years.



Click for Large Version


Edited by - RioStat on 03/22/2022 10:58:35

Culloden - Posted - 03/22/2022:  11:04:06


Scott probably has the right idea; it was likely done by a previous owner. Buddy Rose drilled out the holes in the tone ring of his Granada.

RubinBanjo - Posted - 03/23/2022:  07:49:31


Thanks all for the feedback. Sounds like the ring is probably not original, or perhaps was modified at some point. Still waiting to hear back from the seller for confirmation.

Bob Rodgers - Posted - 03/23/2022:  09:06:07


quote:

Originally posted by RubinBanjo

Thanks all for the feedback. Sounds like the ring is probably not original, or perhaps was modified at some point. Still waiting to hear back from the seller for confirmation.






The Ring appears to be original. Once removed, You (may) find 20 holes not drilled exactly as 4 holes. once on a lathe,  you rotate 15 degrees to get 24 holes equally spaced,  (IF) the 4 original holes were degreed equal.  Its that simple,,

The Old Timer - Posted - 03/23/2022:  11:28:42


Those holes are in the proper place to match up with the "original" 4 holes. Meaning drilled diagonally through the bottom inner corner. I did that myself once on a 1963 RB 250 arch top, to see if it was brass/bronze under the nickel plate. I didn't drill enough to make 24, but I think I did drill a couple. With my dad's electric Black and Decker hand drill! Ouch. Well I satisfied my curiosity -- it was brass/bronze inside!

RioStat - Posted - 03/23/2022:  11:35:58


quote:

Originally posted by RubinBanjo

Thanks all for the feedback. Sounds like the ring is probably not original, or perhaps was modified at some point. Still waiting to hear back from the seller for confirmation.






No one said that, we did say it was modified. No one, Gibson or any "after-market" ring builders, ever made a 24 hole archtop ring (at least not with the holes located as those are). I would say that's a genuine Gibson 4 hole tone ring with 20 extra holes drilled in it



Here's a quick way to tell which holes were drilled after the banjo left Kalamazoo.....look for the holes where you can see brass on the inside of the hole. 



Gibson would drill their 4 holes, then have the tone rings nickel - or chrome - plated, the plating process would also plate the inside of the holes. Any holes drilled later will not be plated on the inside, and you should be able to see brass.


Edited by - RioStat on 03/23/2022 11:37:49

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