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donc - Posted - 12/03/2021:  16:47:39


My son is still driving his 2004 Toyota van. When he fills the tank it doubles in value if you get my drift. He rents a nice suite in an old area of Victoria near downtown. Yesterday was about the fourth time in a year that his car was burgled. Eventually his girlfriend figured out how to fix the lock which seem to fix it for awhile. All he had yesterday in the car was a used winter jacket but they somehow got in [or maybe the car wasn't' locked ?] For the value of the car it doesn't justify an alarm system worth hundreds of dollars. On the Amazon site I found a device the size of a cigarette package. It has 1 or 2 led's that flash or shine as long as the box gets enough of a solar charge during the day. It doesn't ring, screech, or call the cops. So why bother with it ? If a real professional crook cases out a jewelry store the first thing he may see is a metal box with lights near the back wall of the store. He may also see the ADT sticker on the front window. Aside from that he won't see an alarm communication interface or a line going to an alarm centre. Those items are often well out of sight. Many years ago I found an alarm horn at a garage sale for about $2. I don't know if it has ever fooled anyone but in the 30 years I've had it above the top deck in plane sight I haven't had a break in. We will never know how many burglaries have ever been avoided with only an alarm company sticker and a home made box with some small lights flickering in the dark.

PaulRF - Posted - 12/03/2021:  18:13:42


I live in an apartment complex and every now and again a couple of thieves come through looking for items that they can snatch.  I have an outdoor storage cage that I keep my bicycle in that they recently tried to break into so I installed a dummy camera that has a good brand logo along with a led and stickers and have not had a problem since.

DC5 - Posted - 12/04/2021:  04:43:44


When they built my school they put in CCTV cameras, but because of budget shortfalls, they only had them in a few places. The students figured out within days where they could smoke pot and have sex without being seen. I thought it was rather dumb to not put in dummy cameras everywhere so no one would know where the real cameras were.

kww - Posted - 12/04/2021:  08:04:47


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

When they built my school they put in CCTV cameras, but because of budget shortfalls, they only had them in a few places. The students figured out within days where they could smoke pot and have sex without being seen. I thought it was rather dumb to not put in dummy cameras everywhere so no one would know where the real cameras were.






... and rotate them periodically late at night. Nothing more fruitful than a dummy camera that suddenly starts to work.

DC5 - Posted - 12/04/2021:  08:24:18


quote:

Originally posted by kww

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

When they built my school they put in CCTV cameras, but because of budget shortfalls, they only had them in a few places. The students figured out within days where they could smoke pot and have sex without being seen. I thought it was rather dumb to not put in dummy cameras everywhere so no one would know where the real cameras were.






... and rotate them periodically late at night. Nothing more fruitful than a dummy camera that suddenly starts to work.






Actually all the cameras are in bubbles, and the cameras are not that visible, they just needed to put in bubbles in all hallways and stairwells.  I, unfortunately, walked in on and interrupted two students engaged in, er, uhm, a compromising position.  I did not want to see it, and really did not want to escort them to an assistant principal, but the job is what the job is.  This stairwell had no cameras in it, and non showing the entrances and exits from the stairwell.  I'd get high just walking down these stairs. 

Tommy5 - Posted - 12/05/2021:  18:05:55


I just put up an old TV show poster on the lawn. Have Gun, Will Travel. So far so good.

phb - Posted - 12/06/2021:  02:01:07


quote:

Originally posted by donc

I don't know if it has ever fooled anyone but in the 30 years I've had it above the top deck in plane sight I haven't had a break in. We will never know how many burglaries have ever been avoided with only an alarm company sticker and a home made box with some small lights flickering in the dark.






You clearly need a second house next to yours without the fake alarm next to yours to find out! :o)



 

1935tb-11 - Posted - 12/06/2021:  08:05:32


had and have an alarm system,,, unless you got cameras (which we do now) they are pretty useless if your at work... last time we got it ,, detective said he was probably in and out in 3 to 4 minutes. response time was 7 ,,just so happen there was a sheriff close by in the area the second time... first time we caught the guy in the house (before we had an alarm)..when i got here the sheriffs had it surrounded with about 10 officers.. the dude was hiding in the basement... a sergeant yelled in the back door "come on out or i am turning loose the dog". it didn't take but a few seconds and he gave up.
he had been in there a while,, it was totally ransacked.. garbage bags full of stuff stacked at the front door,,he even cleaned out the fridge !
come to find out every cop there knew him.. crack head been arrested 13 times before.. 52 years old..done cleaned out his parents and had been out 9 days when he hit us..
they left his old pick there in the upper drive ,,his dad was picking it up (it was his anyway) when they got there they told me how they had tried and tried to help him but it was a lost cause. i felt as bad for them as i did us.... his lawyer kept postponing the trial date ,,, and he got lost in the system,, a year and a half went by and we gave up..
but now we have a new system with cameras ,,but heck i am home about all the time now,,,, so ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/06/2021:  08:11:46


I have an alarm system and the only problem I have with it..... my dog sets it off with his bark sometimes. I've had 3 false alarms because of the dog. Nothing the alarm company can do about it.

I've been lucky. Neighbors on both sides of me have been burgled/robed at one time or another but so far, I've been safe. Of course, now I'm home most of the time and the alarm stickers on the front, back and den doors might deter a criminal and if they can read. they say: protected by Smith & Wesson and another one says: Violators will be trespassed (Dave's bright idea).

Richard Hauser - Posted - 12/06/2021:  08:58:21


First of all, amateur thieves and professionals are different animals. A law enforcement office once told me professional thieves avoid any type of disturbance that would draw attention. A loud barking dog will accomplish this. Years ago when I lived in Orlando FL I would see a guy driving a van full of dogs around in the late afternoon. I asked someone about this. I was told the driver rented dogs to places where they functioned as overnight security.

I don't know if the author was joking or not, but I once read about a place that had a large sign in the window warning about large dangerous snake.

chuckv97 - Posted - 12/06/2021:  10:35:18


My sign reads “An insane banjo player lives here”

donc - Posted - 12/06/2021:  10:47:33


quote:

Originally posted by phb

quote:

Originally posted by donc

I don't know if it has ever fooled anyone but in the 30 years I've had it above the top deck in plane sight I haven't had a break in. We will never know how many burglaries have ever been avoided with only an alarm company sticker and a home made box with some small lights flickering in the dark.






You clearly need a second house next to yours without the fake alarm next to yours to find out! :o)



 






Actually the house next to mine has the same floor plan. The lady has a shop in her basement where she fixes and adjusts expensive fur coats.  They are delivered to the place continually.  She has more alarms than the local bank plus bars on all the main floor windows. That probably makes my place more attractive to a typical burgler.

DC5 - Posted - 12/06/2021:  11:30:33


I'm told that putting up a "Beware of Dog" sign can create a liability because you are advertising that you have a dangerous dog. I don't know if the Protected by Smith and Wesson signs hold the same liability. I have a neighbor with a sign that has a picture of a German Shepard and the sign says "I can make it from the front door to the fence in 7 seconds. Can you? My local Motorcycle shop has a sign saying that the owner is licensed and carries a firearm, and there is absolutely nothing in the shop that is worth risking your life for. Another friend owns a liquor store and he always has his 9mm openly displayed on his hip. He's never had a robbery, even though the two other stores in town have been robbed.

dat - Posted - 12/06/2021:  12:43:15


Dog on premises sign is legally better than a beware of dog sign, if you’re wanting to CYA



I like a dog that barks, all the labs ive had will make all kinds of noise when a stranger comes around, bark and growl enough to make you stay in your vehicle, but then once you call them by name they roll over and expect a belly rub


Edited by - dat on 12/06/2021 12:46:13

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/06/2021:  14:13:23


There's a sign in my front window (another of Dave's signs) that says: "Bad Ass Dog on Duty". The funny thing about the sign, at least to me, is at the time we had one 4 pound poodle as the bad dog! I now have a 5 pound Chihuahua and a 12 pound poodle as the bad dogs.

I'd love for someone to report that I had a dangerous dog and a cop come to the door to see them. I think it would be good for a laugh for the cop as they tried to lick his hands and face.

steve davis - Posted - 12/06/2021:  15:02:36


My house is known for having a bunch of folks visiting for music and 9 ball.
Not a good environment for any bad apples.

chuckv97 - Posted - 12/06/2021:  15:12:29


quote:

Originally posted by steve davis

My house is known for having a bunch of folks visiting for music and 9 ball.

Not a good environment for any bad apples.






Steve, you mean you all resort to violence over song selection and sewer balls??....

steve davis - Posted - 12/06/2021:  15:34:36


No.We resort to strength in numbers.Where do you get sewer balls from?


Edited by - steve davis on 12/06/2021 15:35:40

Owen - Posted - 12/06/2021:  15:58:14


This site en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary...rts_terms  says a sewer in pool is: 




pocket; usually used in disgust when describing a scratch (e.g., "the cue ball's gone down the sewer").

 

overhere - Posted - 12/06/2021:  16:02:26


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

My sign reads “An insane banjo player lives here”






my sign just says ---Banjo Player Lives here--- even the mail man tosses the mail on the lawn on his way by at high speed

CW Spook - Posted - 12/06/2021:  16:31:14


Years ago I used to have an ISPC target on the wall of my store, with a nice neat grouping in center mass that I shot with my S&W 642, with the logo "shoplifters will be perforated."

chuckv97 - Posted - 12/06/2021:  17:25:40


quote:

Originally posted by steve davis

No.We resort to strength in numbers.Where do you get sewer balls from?






See Manitoba Owen's research post.  Sewer balls is what we called it around S. Ontario/W. NY State.  We called missing all balls a scratch. You call the one balls "cherries"?


Edited by - chuckv97 on 12/06/2021 17:28:10

RonR - Posted - 12/06/2021:  19:09:16


I caught a young guy from 2 blocks up the street looking in my bedroom window at 11:30 one night.
Prior to that, I was told, he had stolen flowers and a gas can from my yard. I roughed him up pretty good. The cops took him away. Years later I would see him in passing and we would talk. I came to feel bad for what I had done. He had no parental guidance and had become a hard drug abuser.

Paul R - Posted - 12/06/2021:  22:46:31


quote:

Originally posted by Richard Hauser

First of all, amateur thieves and professionals are different animals. A law enforcement office once told me professional thieves avoid any type of disturbance that would draw attention. A loud barking dog will accomplish this. Years ago when I lived in Orlando FL I would see a guy driving a van full of dogs around in the late afternoon. I asked someone about this. I was told the driver rented dogs to places where they functioned as overnight security.



I don't know if the author was joking or not, but I once read about a place that had a large sign in the window warning about large dangerous snake.






One of the guitar dealers would put one in his van when at a festival.



We had our car "smashed and grabbed" in an outdoor hotel parking lot in Toronto several years ago. We'd taken everything of value out of it. All the thief got was a key to our community mailbox in Kingston. Was he going to hold our phone bills for ransom? We waited two hours for a call back from the Toronto Police only to discover that they no longer come to the scene of such crimes - they're too common. The delay caused us to miss the funeral of a good friend. That still upsets me much more than the actual crime.

phb - Posted - 12/07/2021:  01:03:41


quote:

Originally posted by dat

I like a dog that barks, all the labs ive had will make all kinds of noise when a stranger comes around, bark and growl enough to make you stay in your vehicle, but then once you call them by name they roll over and expect a belly rub






A few years ago we rented a holiday home on the island of Mallorca/Spain. When we arrived I wanted to go to the landlady's house to pick up the keys when I saw a pitbull running straight towards me. I froze on the spot but the dog kept running, mouth wide open. The dog stopped one foot in front of me, rolled on its side (rolled on my shoes, in fact) and expected a belly rub. Great watch dog that had a big bulldog as a companion that all this time only stood and stared (that's what the bulldog did most of the time). For some unknown reason the pitbull had a crush on me. It would even dig its way under the fence between the two houses and repeat the above behaviour each time it saw me.



 

steve davis - Posted - 12/07/2021:  06:03:31


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

quote:

Originally posted by steve davis

No.We resort to strength in numbers.Where do you get sewer balls from?






See Manitoba Owen's research post.  Sewer balls is what we called it around S. Ontario/W. NY State.  We called missing all balls a scratch. You call the one balls "cherries"?






I guess we have a language barrier.I call cherries "cherries. 

donc - Posted - 12/07/2021:  15:30:11


One Sunday myself and another guy were given the job of replacing the complete telephone system in the local branch of the Royal Bank. I went to get the key from the supervisor a couple days before. I asked about the alarm company , their phone number, and system codes etc. He quietly told me there was no entry alarm system. The only alarms were a vibration sensor around the main vault that was there to detect drills or jack hammers. The other alarm was for the tellers who had a hidden button behind each of their stations, The place sat on a busy corner and had large plate glass windows which could attract or discourage nighttime visitors. The computers were actually just screens and keyboards with the main frame double locked in a basement room. The rest of the valuables were stationery supplies and modular furniture. What a severe disappointment for a self respecting burglar.

DC5 - Posted - 12/08/2021:  05:19:14


When I was in high tech we had an issue at a top government installation in Washington DC. The level of security at this place was amazing. Our computers kept crashing, and we could not determine the cause looking at the memory dumps. This was an important high level installation so I was told to pick a team of people to go down and resolve the issue, not to rely on them staying at the home office and communicating via phone and email. Since sometimes the crashes happened at night, and they came in to find down systems in the morning I told them that we needed 24 hour access to the computer room. This was not possible, they said, as the building closed down at 7 PM and did not open until 7 AM the next day. I told them we really needed the access because we had to be on site when the crash occurred. They went into a meeting, and 30 minutes later they returned with a key to the back door and the access code to the computer room. There was no other way around it. We took shifts throughout the night, but basically had un-escorted access to a secure government installation.

overhere - Posted - 12/08/2021:  13:55:44


Long story short. I arrived one day at a house to do some electrical work requested. As it was lunch time I just stayed in my truck to eat. As I was munching away on my sandwich a big German Shepard showed up. He put his paws on my window sill and I petted him and told him he was a good boy. I also gave him a few pieces of my sandwich. When I was done eating I went to get out of my truck and the freaking dog growled and grabbed my foot with his big teeth and locked on to it. I started yelling at him to get away and I was damn scared/ that dog was bigger than me.....like a wolf.......soon the lady who owned the home appeared and stopped him and the dog let go and sat like she made him do. But he still made a growling sound......the lady said.....she’s sorry and that he was a watch dog her husband got her because he was away a lot and she wanted protection because her nearest neighbor was about a mile down the road. Anyway......She told me the dog was trained to let people on the property but not to let them leave the property....that way they could be held until someone showed up to help her......she gave him an order and I went and fixed her electrical problem....when I was walking back to my truck the damn dog was standing by the garage keeping his eye on me and was growling......needless to say I had added 100 dollars to the bill and never went back there again.

ChunoTheDog - Posted - 12/08/2021:  14:05:21


quote:

Originally posted by overhere

Long story short. I arrived one day at a house to do some electrical work requested. As it was lunch time I just stayed in my truck to eat. As I was munching away on my sandwich a big German Shepard showed up. He put his paws on my window sill and I petted him and told him he was a good boy. I also gave him a few pieces of my sandwich. When I was done eating I went to get out of my truck and the freaking dog growled and grabbed my foot with his big teeth and locked on to it. I started yelling at him to get away and I was damn scared/ that dog was bigger than me.....like a wolf.......soon the lady who owned the home appeared and stopped him and the dog let go and sat like she made him do. But he still made a growling sound......the lady said.....she’s sorry and that he was a watch dog her husband got her because he was away a lot and she wanted protection because her nearest neighbor was about a mile down the road. Anyway......She told me the dog was trained to let people on the property but not to let them leave the property....that way they could be held until someone showed up to help her......she gave him an order and I went and fixed her electrical problem....when I was walking back to my truck the damn dog was standing by the garage keeping his eye on me and was growling......needless to say I had added 100 dollars to the bill and never went back there again.






Sounds like my dog. He wont draw blood but he'll immobilize you until you crap your pants.



Dogs are great early warning detection.

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/08/2021:  14:07:40


quote:

Originally posted by overhere

Long story short. I arrived one day at a house to do some electrical work requested. As it was lunch time I just stayed in my truck to eat. As I was munching away on my sandwich a big German Shepard showed up. He put his paws on my window sill and I petted him and told him he was a good boy. I also gave him a few pieces of my sandwich. When I was done eating I went to get out of my truck and the freaking dog growled and grabbed my foot with his big teeth and locked on to it. I started yelling at him to get away and I was damn scared/ that dog was bigger than me.....like a wolf.......soon the lady who owned the home appeared and stopped him and the dog let go and sat like she made him do. But he still made a growling sound......the lady said.....she’s sorry and that he was a watch dog her husband got her because he was away a lot and she wanted protection because her nearest neighbor was about a mile down the road. Anyway......She told me the dog was trained to let people on the property but not to let them leave the property....that way they could be held until someone showed up to help her......she gave him an order and I went and fixed her electrical problem....when I was walking back to my truck the damn dog was standing by the garage keeping his eye on me and was growling......needless to say I had added 100 dollars to the bill and never went back there again.






Sounds to me like the dog was doing exactly what he was trained to do.  Good dog!  Unfortunately, bad for you. Glad you weren't hurt and don't blame you for not going back there.

overhere - Posted - 12/09/2021:  02:14:30


yes. dogs are one of the best deterrents for protection. only problem is they do get killed often and that's the sad part. Trained dogs are usually guarding something valuable and that attracts the worst of the worst and they bring the tools to complete their mission.



one other job site dog story....we worked on government  reconditioned apartment buildings in Newark  NJ (HUD)  in a really bad part of town.....each night dogs were let loose in these buildings to guard against material theft. and early each morning they were caged in an area away from where workers were........only problem was you had to tip toe through all the lawn bombs left around on the floors......or spend the day scraping the bottom of your shoes......another bad place I walked off.


Edited by - overhere on 12/09/2021 02:24:34

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