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RioStat - Posted - 05/02/2021:  09:27:26


...happened with this poor thing ?



ebay.com/itm/Vintage-banjo-The...016.l4276

eagleisland - Posted - 05/02/2021:  09:41:19


Were I to guess, it was hanging in a bird-infested barn. Yikes!

CosmicCharlie24 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  09:45:28


I’m more curious how the seller knows how it plays.

Texasbanjo - Posted - 05/02/2021:  09:49:43


Looks like it was "rode hard and put away wet" (One of my mother's favorite sayings).

The Old Timer - Posted - 05/02/2021:  10:28:20


Looks like it was submerged, for some time!

okbluegrassbanjopicker - Posted - 05/02/2021:  10:49:17


I would not pay $300 for it, in the current condition.

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 05/02/2021:  11:04:06


It once belonged to Grindl.

Culloden - Posted - 05/02/2021:  11:46:53


Looks like it was stored under an outhouse for a few decades.

That is a Folk Ranger from about the same era as my Ranger. I hope mine never winds up in that condition.




rcc56 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  12:01:23


My guess is that it was locked up in that storage shed behind it for a decade or two.
I've seen worse.
If the wood isn't too rotten and the glue for the rim is still glue, it could be restored. I'll pass, though.

GStump - Posted - 05/02/2021:  13:22:55


Perhaps in an attic for the last 30 or 40 years.

Joe Connor - Posted - 05/02/2021:  13:25:15


Don't you guys recognize patina when you see it? smiley

mike gregory - Posted - 05/02/2021:  13:36:00


quote:

Originally posted by CosmicCharlie24

I’m more curious how the seller knows how it plays.






Owner says, and I quote:



" does play like it is .."



Which means that if one twangs the strings which are on there, it will make a sound, similar to a banjo, like what it is.



And quite possibly, that the bridge is in the right spot, so it will raise the pitch properly, one fret at a time, as one moves up the fingerboard.

DSmoke - Posted - 05/02/2021:  16:37:43


Someone will buy it for the tailpiece, lol.

CosmicCharlie24 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  16:45:37


quote:

Originally posted by mike gregory

quote:

Originally posted by CosmicCharlie24

I’m more curious how the seller knows how it plays.






Owner says, and I quote:



" does play like it is .."



Which means that if one twangs the strings which are on there, it will make a sound, similar to a banjo, like what it is.



And quite possibly, that the bridge is in the right spot, so it will raise the pitch properly, one fret at a time, as one moves up the fingerboard.






"does play like it is very rare Vintage banjo,...". Pehaps some a little pronunciation is in order.

CosmicCharlie24 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  16:46:02


quote:

Originally posted by CosmicCharlie24

quote:

Originally posted by mike gregory

quote:

Originally posted by CosmicCharlie24

I’m more curious how the seller knows how it plays.






Owner says, and I quote:



" does play like it is .."



Which means that if one twangs the strings which are on there, it will make a sound, similar to a banjo, like what it is.



And quite possibly, that the bridge is in the right spot, so it will raise the pitch properly, one fret at a time, as one moves up the fingerboard.






"does play like it is very rare Vintage banjo,...". Pehaps a little punctuation is in order.






 


Edited by - CosmicCharlie24 on 05/02/2021 16:50:17

Culloden - Posted - 05/02/2021:  16:53:11


quote:

Originally posted by DSmoke

Someone will buy it for the tailpiece, lol.






I have two tailpieces exactly like that. If someone wants to give me $300 for one of them I wouldn't turn it down. And they wouldn't have to spend countless hours and dollars restoring the banjo.

mike gregory - Posted - 05/02/2021:  18:07:28


quote:

Originally posted by CosmicCharlie24

 





Owner says, and I quote:



" does play like it is .."



Which means that if one twangs the strings which are on there, it will make a sound, similar to a banjo, like what it is.



And quite possibly, that the bridge is in the right spot, so it will raise the pitch properly, one fret at a time, as one moves up the fingerboard.






"does play like it is very rare Vintage banjo,...". Perhaps a little punctuation is in order.






Punctuation saves lives!



BIG difference between



"Let's eat, Grandma"





 and





"Let's eat Grandma!"






 

mikehalloran - Posted - 05/02/2021:  20:54:39


quote:

Originally posted by Culloden

Looks like it was stored under an outhouse for a few decades.

That is a Folk Ranger from about the same era as my Ranger. I hope mine never winds up in that condition.






If the link is correct (often not if the original ad expired) that is actually an SS-5 Folklore long neck. This can be seen on the yellow label. This should not have a tone ring and takes a 10 1/15/16" head.



If that's not what you saw then the link has changed.



$300 is wishful thinking. I'd pay $100 to see if it could be cleaned up.


Edited by - mikehalloran on 05/02/2021 20:59:49




Shop the Folk - Posted - 05/02/2021:  21:14:31


Mike, Right! A Vega long neck for $300 bucks. Where are all the wanna-bee luthiators that don't want to deal with a dirty banjo, A little elbow grease and you have a $600.00banjo. but you may get your hands dirty. I'm tired of all the ( 'I bought this banjo at a garage sale because the old person didn't know what they had). Damn. Buy a clean Good Time for twice the money

rcc56 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  22:39:55


Well, the reason this luthier who operates a [hopefully] for profit shop will pass on this banjo is not the dirt.



It's the condition of the neck. Note the poorly repaired neck break and the open seams at the center lamination. In addition, the fingerboard may or may not be rotten. It'll take a lot of labor to restore that neck, or an additional $300 for a new Eastman neck with no inlays or tuners, and I'd have to price the instrument pretty low to sell it.



Either it will turn out being a re-necked, refinished instrument, or a refinished instrument with a repaired neck break.



For me, it would be a minimum of $300 to purchase the instrument, plus the cost of parts, plus at least 20 hours labor at $10/hour if I slapped an Eastman neck on it, or 30 or 40 hours labor [if I get lucky and it doesn't take a lot longer] and restore the original neck. I doubt the finished product would bring much more than $600 either way.  The numbers don't work out for me.



However, this would be a good job for a hobbyist or an apprentice.  But realize that your $300 [or whatever it sells for] buys you a rim that will need a new finish, and whatever metal parts can be salvaged.  The neck may or may not be worth the trouble of salvaging, but it is worth next to nothing in its current condition.


Edited by - rcc56 on 05/02/2021 22:56:27

TriMD180 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  22:53:46


quote:

Originally posted by mikehalloran

quote:

Originally posted by Culloden

Looks like it was stored under an outhouse for a few decades.

That is a Folk Ranger from about the same era as my Ranger. I hope mine never winds up in that condition.






If the link is correct (often not if the original ad expired) that is actually an SS-5 Folklore long neck. This can be seen on the yellow label. This should not have a tone ring and takes a 10 1/15/16" head.



If that's not what you saw then the link has changed.



$300 is wishful thinking. I'd pay $100 to see if it could be cleaned up.






I actually did offer $100 for this banjo and when I put in the offer eBay suggested that I raise the bid to over $1200. I think maybe he thinks it it the more expensive Pete Seeger model! Needless to say the offer was rejected immediately. LOL! It has been relisted  at least twice so far, so I'll keep watching to see what happens with it. I don't have a long neck and I love trying to fix up old broken banjos, but $100 may be too much for this one!

rcc56 - Posted - 05/02/2021:  22:59:18


The rim and any salvageable metal parts should be worth at least $100. I don't think the rim is rotten . . . yet.



Willie, I'll bet you can find a usable old Tubaphone pot, with or without a tenor neck, for $500 to $600 if you're patient.  And there are usually a few lower end Vega's on Reverb for less.  I can think of several of our members who could make a long neck for one for a modest price.


Edited by - rcc56 on 05/02/2021 23:16:52

mikehalloran - Posted - 05/02/2021:  23:46:56


The neck looks salvageable. Without that, what's the point?



I would drip WD40 onto all the metal and wait 48 hours. Since WD40 in liquid form is impossible to find under a gallon, I spray some in the cap and apply with a pipette, toothpick or eyedropper—yes it gets everywhere which is what you want but it isn't as hard on wood as most other penetrating oils. If this is done and you are not impatient, there's a good chance that the nuts might come off and leave some threads on the brackets. If that happens, break out the Simichrome and a bucket of soft rags and go to town.



If the top bead is rotten but the rest of the rim isn't horrible, flatten it (you'll see to where) and get a 1/4" round rod from Stew-Mac. Remove 3/16" then finish fitting it with a file and some patience. The butt splice goes under the tailpiece and the head will hold it in place. If the rim's a disaster, anyone who will turn down a rim to 10 15/16" is your friend—only need to remove 1/32" from an 11" blank. If the rim turns out to be good, I'd wait forever before touching that aluminum truss tube.



Has its original Waverly tailpiece and Elton adjustable armrest. A few PS-5 owners wouldn't mind finding those if unbroken (I know, pretty big IF).



Modern repros of the Klusons are easy to find.



I just bet there's a real banjo in there somewhere. That said, the Deering Vega Woodsongs can be found used for around $1,200 and won't need to be restored — just sayin'…



 


Edited by - mikehalloran on 05/02/2021 23:54:42

Culloden - Posted - 05/03/2021:  06:35:16


quote:

Originally posted by mikehalloran

quote:

Originally posted by Culloden

Looks like it was stored under an outhouse for a few decades.

That is a Folk Ranger from about the same era as my Ranger. I hope mine never winds up in that condition.






If the link is correct (often not if the original ad expired) that is actually an SS-5 Folklore long neck. This can be seen on the yellow label. This should not have a tone ring and takes a 10 1/15/16" head.



If that's not what you saw then the link has changed.



$300 is wishful thinking. I'd pay $100 to see if it could be cleaned up.






You're right, Mike. I wasn't entirely sure of the model name. I think the Folk Ranger had the standard length neck like my Ranger does.



My Ranger was originally a tenor banjo that I got on eBay for $300. It was in far better shape than this one is.

rmcdow - Posted - 05/03/2021:  07:59:14


The seller just replied to an inquiry from me about the crack in the neck;

"The rim is good to go it’s just had moisture were it was stored the neck has a crack on one side it does not give when you tighten the strings how ever it does need attention"

kyleb - Posted - 05/03/2021:  10:57:04


You guys are really missing the key detail here, its exact date is listed as 1920. This is actually in line with the pete seeger long necks sold by vega in 1920. Since he only reached the age of 1 in 1920, his popularity wasnt what it was in the later days, so the banjo was less ornate and was made with rusted parts, cracked necks and other cheaper ammenties than youd fine on a 1960s banjo.


Edited by - kyleb on 05/03/2021 11:09:15

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