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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Lange Sears Supertone yes/no? Value?


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kimthom1 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  04:56:26


Wondering if this open back banjo is what it’s claimed to be? I have only seen a few photos of these, but they all had the ivy inlay up the whole neck! It has a cracked/repaired dowel stick. Any idea on fair purchase price?

mike gregory - Posted - 04/30/2021:  05:08:02


May we see any photos of the item in question?

kimthom1 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  05:09:13


Having trouble getting them to upload!

kimthom1 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  07:13:40


A few more photos





 

Alvin Conder - Posted - 04/30/2021:  07:31:13


I have seen these go for around 1500-1900 in near perfect condition.

I’m racking my mind right now, but I recently saw a banjo like that for sale at one of the major dealers for 1200, but it had issues, just can’t remember which dealer.

A cracked dowel will affect that pricing down.

If everything else is perfect It might be a decent player. Even though it has all the scrambled eggs and confetti on the fingerboard, it still was a low level budget instrument when it came out of the factory. Just a fancy low level budget instrument.

IG&B has a similar one , not the same, but similar, in decent shape here:

guitarandbanjo.com/inventory/u...sentation

That may give you guide line to work with.

Joel Hooks - Posted - 04/30/2021:  07:33:33


That generic vine pattern was used by a few different MFGs for jobbers. Yours looks to be of the super low end printed version. Some were inlayed with various materials depending on the retail cost of the banjo.

I think it is generally thought to have been built by Lange, but it could have been anyone or several people making the same things. I don't think any real evidence has shown up linking these to a specific maker.

Value? Not much. Poor quality rim and hardware. Fake fingerboard inlay, and possibly a fake fingerboard. Maybe $100 if you are feeling charitable.

With all the high quality classic banjos available at pretty low prices, I would not even consider taking this one for free.

kimthom1 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  07:37:54


I would like a vintage banjo and was hoping this might’ve as good as a Deering

Joel Hooks - Posted - 04/30/2021:  07:53:54


quote:

Originally posted by Alvin Conder

I have seen these go for around 1500-1900 in near perfect condition.



I’m racking my mind right now, but I recently saw a banjo like that for sale at one of the major dealers for 1200, but it had issues, just can’t remember which dealer.



A cracked dowel will affect that pricing down.



If everything else is perfect It might be a decent player. Even though it has all the scrambled eggs and confetti on the fingerboard, it still was a low level budget instrument when it came out of the factory. Just a fancy low level budget instrument.



IG&B has a similar one , not the same, but similar, in decent shape here:



guitarandbanjo.com/inventory/u...sentation



That may give you guide line to work with.






Scooped!!!!



Besides the sacrilege, the example you posted is a totally different price point.  It has actual inlay (not painted or silk screened like the OP).  Better neck wood, better rim, better hardware, and real fingerboard.



The PO banjo is the lowest of the era, disguised with a fake vine "inlay".



If you want a modern banjo to play modern things, get one of those. If you want a classic era banjo, they are perfectly fine to play modern "old time"  on set up properly, but don't expect them to sound or act like a modern banjo.



Since the banjo was a popular instrument, there was a huge volume of cheap low end banjos made and sold.  These were built to sell.  Every corner was cut that could be.



There are much better banjos available than this one.



 

kimthom1 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  08:01:14


Thank you all for your input. Given everyone’s thoughts and the $700 price point on Reverb I will continue looking.

Alvin Conder - Posted - 04/30/2021:  08:04:59


Joel is correct.

I blew up your photos, and that is not real inlay, so that instrument bears no relation in quality to the unit at IG&B.

I Stand corrected.

700 is way too much for the instrument you posted. Walk away.

Nic Pennsylvania - Posted - 04/30/2021:  10:21:05


quote:

Originally posted by kimthom1

I would like a vintage banjo and was hoping this might’ve as good as a Deering






An antique banjo like this and a Deering are two very, very different things. 

hbick2 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  12:52:22


Unless you really know what you are doing, buying vintage banjos from Reverb, Facebook, Craigslist, etc. is a crapshoot. You might easily end up with a banjo that needs a neck reset, refretting and so forth.

There are a lot of lower end banjos made by great makers out there right now. Very often, the only difference between the lower models and the upper models is the amount of decoration. I've had some Gatcomb Standard Models that were extremely well made.

I would suggest that you check with some reputable dealers. I just looked and saw some decent old banjos in your price range. A reputable dealer will tell you everything that is wrong with the banjo, any replacement parts, etc. Most importantly, the dealer will tell you if the banjo is playable or not. The dealer will also let you look over the banjo, try it out, and return it if you don't like it. That way you won't get stuck with something you don't like.

kimthom1 - Posted - 04/30/2021:  13:16:46


There are very few open backs in shops within hundreds of miles of me in Massachusetts. Most of what little is available are Deerings and Recording Kings. Add to that they don’t know banjos, how to set them up, etc.


Edited by - kimthom1 on 04/30/2021 13:17:29

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 04/30/2021:  13:42:35


You might look at the BHO classifieds.

mike gregory - Posted - 04/30/2021:  15:53:11


You SHOULD look ion the BHO classifieds, since those banjos were owned by people who are just nuts enough to have taken REAL GOOD care of them.

Jim Bollman - Posted - 04/30/2021:  17:10:45


There are several shops in Massachusetts where you can find good stocks of open back five string banjos : Fretted Instrument Workshop in Amherst, Music Emporium in Lexington. If you're in western Mass. you could take a road trip to Rochester, NY to visit Bernunzio's shop.

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