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DC5 - Posted - 09/21/2020:  12:54:37


The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)

Banjo Lefty - Posted - 09/21/2020:  13:33:52


Canada can't compete with that. We have one tenth your population, but we have less than one twentieth of your deaths (9,200 +). Went to the mall today, and everybody -- absolutely everybody, little kids included -- were wearing masks. Perhaps that's why.

mike gregory - Posted - 09/21/2020:  13:41:54


Here's a rally chant for those of you who think masks are a stupid idea:

"No more MASKS
Breathe free AIR!
Got some GERMS
I want to SHARE!"


steve davis - Posted - 09/21/2020:  13:47:54


We're doing good wearing masks up here in Maine.



We do get the occasional "Nutty Preacher" touting his flock being protected by The Almighty,but other than that...


Edited by - steve davis on 09/21/2020 13:50:41

birdman - Posted - 09/21/2020:  14:28:40


Majority of the dead died with covid not because of covid.

donc - Posted - 09/21/2020:  14:30:04


Huh ??   The majority of the victims probably died from a lack of oxygen.  Others died from cardiac arrest due to poor levels of oxygen.  I wonder how those things could happen  to a Covid-19 patient ? 


Edited by - donc on 09/21/2020 14:40:20

DC5 - Posted - 09/21/2020:  14:32:34


Majority of influenza deaths are people who die with the flu, not from the flu. Doesn't change the statistics.

kww - Posted - 09/21/2020:  14:35:15


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

Majority of the dead died with covid not because of covid.






That's not true at all. Most death certificates list multiple causes of death: that's encouraged. It's considered the correct way to write one. Here's a nice instruction manual from Montana, a rural Red state, written well before COVID-19 became a thing: dphhs.mt.gov/Portals/85/public...71307-117 



When that story went around about "only 6% of death certificates listed COVID-19 as the only source of death", it should have been written "94% of death certificates were written correctly, with only 6% of our doctors having been too sloppy to determine the mechanism by which COVID-19 killed the patient".

steve davis - Posted - 09/21/2020:  15:10:38


Let's make sure we get the wording right.

wizofos - Posted - 09/21/2020:  16:23:06


What do you call someone who refuses to wear a mask?

The walking dead

banjo bill-e - Posted - 09/21/2020:  16:26:23


Most people have no need to wear a mask and those who do, need much more than just a mask. Oh I wear one everywhere in public, but I seriously doubt the benefit to either myself or others. 


Edited by - banjo bill-e on 09/21/2020 16:27:32

birdman - Posted - 09/21/2020:  18:18:52


What do you call a healthy person who wears a mask outside? Someone who cant think for themselves.

birdman - Posted - 09/21/2020:  18:22:04


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA



(remove tongue from cheek)






   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."

donc - Posted - 09/21/2020:  18:22:07


For those with difficulty understanding a simple message this explains it better than most.



 

birdman - Posted - 09/21/2020:  18:25:25


Wow Don, you bought it hook, line and sinker didnt you? The government knows best , right.... hahaha

donc - Posted - 09/21/2020:  18:45:06


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

Wow Don, you bought it hook, line and sinker didnt you? The government knows best , right.... hahaha






That would  entirely depend upon which government you are referring to. 


Edited by - donc on 09/21/2020 18:47:00

chuckv97 - Posted - 09/21/2020:  18:52:38


So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?

kww - Posted - 09/21/2020:  21:36:22


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?






Ask him about the secret tunnels where the children are hidden ... go ahead, I dare you.

Bill Rogers - Posted - 09/21/2020:  23:43:02


It seems to me that given the significant number of asymptomatic carriers of the novel Coronavirus, wearing a mask is the best way to avoid endangering others. It may protect you to a point, but the point of wearing one is to protect folks you come into contact, or near-contact, with. There is a pandemic, and no one has a right to put someone else's health or life at risk. Internet rumors and wild speculation are not evidence--despite what some believe.


Edited by - Bill Rogers on 09/21/2020 23:43:27

AndrewD - Posted - 09/22/2020:  01:24:40


The naysayers are right. 99.999% of the time you don't need a mask and it will make no difference.
Of course the other 0.001% is when you walk past somebody also not wearing a mask who has Covid, maybe asymptomaticaly, and breaths or sneezes in your direction. And of course YOU may be that asymptomatic Covid spreader.

Bum Ditty Brendan - Posted - 09/22/2020:  04:01:34


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA



(remove tongue from cheek)






   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."






It is based on morals. Where do you get your morals? 



 



Here is my logical argument:



P1: If wearing a mask during the covid 19 pandemic can decrease overall suffering, you ought to wear a mask.



P2: Wearing a mask decreases overall suffering



C: therefore, one ought to wear a mask during the covid 19 pandemic.



This argument is presented under the assumption of being around other people. I am not arguing for wearing a mask while alone or at your home. I am also presenting this as it applies to the US specifically since we have such a high spread of the virus.



The argument's structure is valid. Modus ponens. If P is true, then Q is true. P is true, therefore Q.



The only issue you may take is with the soundness of the argument. But, it is sound. If one wears a mask, they reduce the amount of droplets they disperse into the air which in turn leads to a decrease in the spread of any airborne disease. Since covid 19 is primarily spread through the air, wearing a mask will reduce a possibly infected person's contribution to the spread. Since people can be carriers of the disease without knowledge,  one ought to wear a mask even without showing symptoms.



Suffering is any negative consequence. Pain, death, prolonged shut diwns, cancelations. From a utilitarian perspective, the harm caused by universal masking is far lower than non-masking.  From a Christian perspective, wearing a mask would be the morally just thing to do because it shows love for thy neighbor. 


Edited by - Bum Ditty Brendan on 09/22/2020 04:08:15

Texasbanjo - Posted - 09/22/2020:  04:45:22


We're getting political again. Stop that or this thread is locked.

DC5 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:04:05


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA



(remove tongue from cheek)






   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."






Global:  adjective  pertaining to the whole world; worldwide; universal:



Pandemic: adjective (of a disease) prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world; epidemic over a large area.



Epidemic: adjective (of a disease) affecting many persons at the same time, and spreading from person to person in a locality where the disease is not permanently prevalent.



Source dictionary.com



 

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:14:29


quote:

Originally posted by Bum Ditty Brendan

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA



(remove tongue from cheek)






   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."






It is based on morals. Where do you get your morals? 



 



Here is my logical argument:



P1: If wearing a mask during the covid 19 pandemic can decrease overall suffering, you ought to wear a mask.



P2: Wearing a mask decreases overall suffering



C: therefore, one ought to wear a mask during the covid 19 pandemic.



This argument is presented under the assumption of being around other people. I am not arguing for wearing a mask while alone or at your home. I am also presenting this as it applies to the US specifically since we have such a high spread of the virus.



The argument's structure is valid. Modus ponens. If P is true, then Q is true. P is true, therefore Q.



The only issue you may take is with the soundness of the argument. But, it is sound. If one wears a mask, they reduce the amount of droplets they disperse into the air which in turn leads to a decrease in the spread of any airborne disease. Since covid 19 is primarily spread through the air, wearing a mask will reduce a possibly infected person's contribution to the spread. Since people can be carriers of the disease without knowledge,  one ought to wear a mask even without showing symptoms.



Suffering is any negative consequence. Pain, death, prolonged shut diwns, cancelations. From a utilitarian perspective, the harm caused by universal masking is far lower than non-masking.  From a Christian perspective, wearing a mask would be the morally just thing to do because it shows love for thy neighbor. 






   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering

Bum Ditty Brendan - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:17:32


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by Bum Ditty Brendan

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA



(remove tongue from cheek)






   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."






It is based on morals. Where do you get your morals? 



 



Here is my logical argument:



P1: If wearing a mask during the covid 19 pandemic can decrease overall suffering, you ought to wear a mask.



P2: Wearing a mask decreases overall suffering



C: therefore, one ought to wear a mask during the covid 19 pandemic.



This argument is presented under the assumption of being around other people. I am not arguing for wearing a mask while alone or at your home. I am also presenting this as it applies to the US specifically since we have such a high spread of the virus.



The argument's structure is valid. Modus ponens. If P is true, then Q is true. P is true, therefore Q.



The only issue you may take is with the soundness of the argument. But, it is sound. If one wears a mask, they reduce the amount of droplets they disperse into the air which in turn leads to a decrease in the spread of any airborne disease. Since covid 19 is primarily spread through the air, wearing a mask will reduce a possibly infected person's contribution to the spread. Since people can be carriers of the disease without knowledge,  one ought to wear a mask even without showing symptoms.



Suffering is any negative consequence. Pain, death, prolonged shut diwns, cancelations. From a utilitarian perspective, the harm caused by universal masking is far lower than non-masking.  From a Christian perspective, wearing a mask would be the morally just thing to do because it shows love for thy neighbor. 






   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






You may have noticed I made that argument in the frame of covid 19. 



Start with this

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:17:55


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?






  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:20:40


Brendan you are so witty. Great job

banjos-n-beer - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:38:51


the biggest deniers in my circle of orbit are people who barely graduated from high school. They're loud, brash, and apparently experts in almost every scientific field without any educational experience.

social media has only enhanced their obnoxious behavior and influence on the rest of the general population.

DC5 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  05:57:26


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

 



   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






If everyone wore a mask when they were sick it would go a long way toward reducing the spread of airborne diseases like influenza and even the common cold.  In many countries this is the norm, if you don't feel well and have to go out in public, wear a mask.  So in short, yes.  With regards to C-19, you can be carrying the virus, but feel fine and spread it without knowing.  Therefore, until the virus is under control, everyone should wear a mask in public.  I don't expect you to grasp this, but others reading this will.  The best quote I've seen is "Everyone should wear a mask, but act as if it doesn't work."  Statistically, areas with more mask wearing are spreading the disease more slowly than areas where people are not wearing masks.  But don't let facts get in the way.

DC5 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  06:02:45


quote:

Originally posted by banjos-n-beer

the biggest deniers in my circle of orbit are people who barely graduated from high school. They're loud, brash, and apparently experts in almost every scientific field without any educational experience.



social media has only enhanced their obnoxious behavior and influence on the rest of the general population.






Sadly, in my circle, some of the biggest deniers are educated, one being a lawyer, another a forester.  The ones I don't understand are the "it's a hoax" crowd.  OK, if it's a hoax, who is behind it, what is their purpose, and how did they get millions of doctors to go along with it and no one is spilling the beans in this day of kiss and tell everything?

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  06:05:41


quote:

Originally posted by banjos-n-beer

the biggest deniers in my circle of orbit are people who barely graduated from high school. They're loud, brash, and apparently experts in almost every scientific field without any educational experience.



social media has only enhanced their obnoxious behavior and influence on the rest of the general population.






 Let me get this straight.... I dont agree with mask mandates so I am a loud, brash person who barely graduated high school?   Great argument you make there.....full of scientific facts and analysis

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  06:23:44


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

 



   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






If everyone wore a mask when they were sick it would go a long way toward reducing the spread of airborne diseases like influenza and even the common cold.  In many countries this is the norm, if you don't feel well and have to go out in public, wear a mask.  So in short, yes.  With regards to C-19, you can be carrying the virus, but feel fine and spread it without knowing.  Therefore, until the virus is under control, everyone should wear a mask in public.  I don't expect you to grasp this, but others reading this will.  The best quote I've seen is "Everyone should wear a mask, but act as if it doesn't work."  Statistically, areas with more mask wearing are spreading the disease more slowly than areas where people are not wearing masks.  But don't let facts get in the way.






  Here is a fact gor you. I live in a county of 102,000 people. We have no mask mandate, and all restaurants schools and stores are open. Covid 19 death total is 16.

DC5 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  06:54:08


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

 



   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






If everyone wore a mask when they were sick it would go a long way toward reducing the spread of airborne diseases like influenza and even the common cold.  In many countries this is the norm, if you don't feel well and have to go out in public, wear a mask.  So in short, yes.  With regards to C-19, you can be carrying the virus, but feel fine and spread it without knowing.  Therefore, until the virus is under control, everyone should wear a mask in public.  I don't expect you to grasp this, but others reading this will.  The best quote I've seen is "Everyone should wear a mask, but act as if it doesn't work."  Statistically, areas with more mask wearing are spreading the disease more slowly than areas where people are not wearing masks.  But don't let facts get in the way.






  Here is a fact gor you. I live in a county of 102,000 people. We have no mask mandate, and all restaurants schools and stores are open. Covid 19 death total is 16.






So 16 lives could have been spared if people wore masks. 



I live in a county of 118,000 people, with a death total of 15, mask wearing was not mandated until recently and compliance was less than 50%, HOWEVER, there are 4 counties in my state with over 1400 deaths.  Your county is low, but your state has over 2200 deaths.  Not sure what your point is. 

Banjo Lefty - Posted - 09/22/2020:  07:08:37


Speaking as a Canadian, I can say with confidence that we do not depend on the USA as a whole. We do depend on California for fresh fruit and veg in the winter, but that is all. And we could get most of that from Mexico.

Richard Hauser - Posted - 09/22/2020:  07:11:15


When I was stationed in an Asian country where "distancing" was difficult or near impossible in large cities, many people wore masks. They realized air borne infestation was common. At some mass movement facilities, employees served as "crammers" and "squeezed' more people into the cars.

Based on what I have been informed by the media, a person wears a mask to protect other people around them. If this information was correct, not wearing a mask is like saying "Everybody else can go to hell". To avoid a long tedious 25-30 second drive using the street designed for a specific purpose, drivers commonly "fly" through the short street I live on in order to save 10 or 15 seconds. Because of the hurricane, traffic lights were out. Most drivers politely treated the intersections as 4 way stops. But some drivers just ignore protocol and don't stop and allow another car through the intersection. If I owned a business, there would be a sign at the entranceway - "No mask - No service". Wearing a mask is not a major inconvenience. When shopping, just keep on hanging around your neck, and put it on when in the vicinity of other people. Some people undoubtedly have masks, but forget to put them on when they leave their cars.

1935tb-11 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  07:14:49


i think population density will correlate to the cases and death totals here in the usa.

our county has 390,000 and 6800 cases and 94 deaths...

just south of us about 80 miles which is the charlotte area there have 1.1 million population they have 27,800 cases and 347 deaths..... more dense,,more deaths


Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 09/22/2020 07:19:58

chuckv97 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  07:59:00


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?






  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.






Canada is the USA 's biggest trade partner.  The street runs both ways. The Preds have 9 Canadians and 8 Americans ;-)


Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/22/2020 08:01:33

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  08:06:35


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

 



   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






If everyone wore a mask when they were sick it would go a long way toward reducing the spread of airborne diseases like influenza and even the common cold.  In many countries this is the norm, if you don't feel well and have to go out in public, wear a mask.  So in short, yes.  With regards to C-19, you can be carrying the virus, but feel fine and spread it without knowing.  Therefore, until the virus is under control, everyone should wear a mask in public.  I don't expect you to grasp this, but others reading this will.  The best quote I've seen is "Everyone should wear a mask, but act as if it doesn't work."  Statistically, areas with more mask wearing are spreading the disease more slowly than areas where people are not wearing masks.  But don't let facts get in the way.






  Here is a fact gor you. I live in a county of 102,000 people. We have no mask mandate, and all restaurants schools and stores are open. Covid 19 death total is 16.






So 16 lives could have been spared if people wore masks. 



I live in a county of 118,000 people, with a death total of 15, mask wearing was not mandated until recently and compliance was less than 50%, HOWEVER, there are 4 counties in my state with over 1400 deaths.  Your county is low, but your state has over 2200 deaths.  Not sure what your point is. 






     Do you really believe that all 16 would be alive today if everyone wore masks? I sure dont.



         Driving is much more dangerous than covid and we all know it, yet most of us do it multiple times daily. Think of all the lives we could save if there no cars. Think of all the innocent people who have died because of cars.   

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  08:09:07


quote:

Originally posted by Banjo Lefty

Speaking as a Canadian, I can say with confidence that we do not depend on the USA as a whole. We do depend on California for fresh fruit and veg in the winter, but that is all. And we could get most of that from Mexico.






   Are you going to get all that fresh fruit flown in or delivered by ship? 

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  08:14:47


quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?






  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.






Canada is the USA 's biggest trade partner.  The street runs both ways. The Preds have 9 Canadians and 8 Americans ;-)






       Only problem i have with Canada is their obsession with American politics. I dont care that your pm wears blackface, so why do yall care so much about our President?

kww - Posted - 09/22/2020:  08:20:35


quote:

Originally posted by birdman





       Only problem i have with Canada is their obsession with American politics. I dont care that your pm wears blackface, so why do yall care so much about our President?






Geopolitically, they're our suburb. That's like asking why Evanston worries about Chicago. Politically independent, certainly, but we are interdependent in nearly all ways.

donc - Posted - 09/22/2020:  08:58:54


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?






  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.




 



Don't hold your breath on that one Dennis.

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  09:19:54


quote:

Originally posted by donc

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?






  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.




 



Don't hold your breath on that one Dennis.






   It is a fact.  Ask 10 random people anywhere in the world who the U.S. president is then ask them who the Canadian pm is and see who is more recognized. It is true now and it was true 100 years ago.  Not a knock on Canada, just a fact.

GrahamHawker - Posted - 09/22/2020:  09:34:06


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.






Another once upon a time post. The world might depend on the dollar still, just about but America as a whole not any more. Your politics provide a bit of laughable light entertainment. Twenty years ago it would a be a high rating comedy and parody show. even those outside the USA reporting on the politics have constant eye rolling syndrome. I'm more inclined to care about the people

DC5 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  09:52:10


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

 



   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






If everyone wore a mask when they were sick it would go a long way toward reducing the spread of airborne diseases like influenza and even the common cold.  In many countries this is the norm, if you don't feel well and have to go out in public, wear a mask.  So in short, yes.  With regards to C-19, you can be carrying the virus, but feel fine and spread it without knowing.  Therefore, until the virus is under control, everyone should wear a mask in public.  I don't expect you to grasp this, but others reading this will.  The best quote I've seen is "Everyone should wear a mask, but act as if it doesn't work."  Statistically, areas with more mask wearing are spreading the disease more slowly than areas where people are not wearing masks.  But don't let facts get in the way.






  Here is a fact gor you. I live in a county of 102,000 people. We have no mask mandate, and all restaurants schools and stores are open. Covid 19 death total is 16.






So 16 lives could have been spared if people wore masks. 



I live in a county of 118,000 people, with a death total of 15, mask wearing was not mandated until recently and compliance was less than 50%, HOWEVER, there are 4 counties in my state with over 1400 deaths.  Your county is low, but your state has over 2200 deaths.  Not sure what your point is. 






     Do you really believe that all 16 would be alive today if everyone wore masks? I sure dont.



         Driving is much more dangerous than covid and we all know it, yet most of us do it multiple times daily. Think of all the lives we could save if there no cars. Think of all the innocent people who have died because of cars.   






Strawman argument.  Clearly you don't wish to discuss this seriously. 



And I don't know if all 16 would be alive today, but some would, probably most.  There is no way to reverse the experiment.  I'm just saying that where people are wearing masks and social distancing, the infection rate and death rate is lower than where they are not wearing masks. 


Edited by - DC5 on 09/22/2020 10:03:44

DC5 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  10:01:03


quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by birdman

 



   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering






If everyone wore a mask when they were sick it would go a long way toward reducing the spread of airborne diseases like influenza and even the common cold.  In many countries this is the norm, if you don't feel well and have to go out in public, wear a mask.  So in short, yes.  With regards to C-19, you can be carrying the virus, but feel fine and spread it without knowing.  Therefore, until the virus is under control, everyone should wear a mask in public.  I don't expect you to grasp this, but others reading this will.  The best quote I've seen is "Everyone should wear a mask, but act as if it doesn't work."  Statistically, areas with more mask wearing are spreading the disease more slowly than areas where people are not wearing masks.  But don't let facts get in the way.






  Here is a fact gor you. I live in a county of 102,000 people. We have no mask mandate, and all restaurants schools and stores are open. Covid 19 death total is 16.






So 16 lives could have been spared if people wore masks. 



I live in a county of 118,000 people, with a death total of 15, mask wearing was not mandated until recently and compliance was less than 50%, HOWEVER, there are 4 counties in my state with over 1400 deaths.  Your county is low, but your state has over 2200 deaths.  Not sure what your point is. 






     Do you really believe that all 16 would be alive today if everyone wore masks? I sure dont.



         Driving is much more dangerous than covid and we all know it, yet most of us do it multiple times daily. Think of all the lives we could save if there no cars. Think of all the innocent people who have died because of cars.   






 "Reducing motor vehicle crash deaths was one of the great public health achievements of the 20th century for the US. However, more than 32,000 people are killed and 2 million are injured each year from motor vehicle crashes.

cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehic...ndex.html



So 32,000 per year for car accident death vs. 200,000+ U.S. deaths so far this year (8 months) from Corona Virus, and over 7,000,000 infected.  Hmmm, you must be using new math to calculate that more die from cars.  It would take 6.25 years of car accidents to catch up with 8 months of C-19.



But thank you for playing, we have some lovely consolation prizes for you.

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  10:12:21


For most of the 200,000 covid was a factor in their death not the sole cause. If you have terminal cancer, test positive covid then pass away, it was not the covid that killed you. But you know that, right

chuckv97 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  10:29:37


I have a sister with cancer. She’s still with us. She didn’t acquire the covid19 virus.

paco0909 - Posted - 09/22/2020:  10:45:18


I am in hospital for orthopedic issues. This hospital closed all elective surgeries and was completely filled with Covid victims many of whom died. None of the doctors or nurses died primarily because of masks and isolation protocols. People died because of the lack of masks and protocols. Although many were elderly or had pre-existing conditions, many were young and healthy until contracting this disease. Some of the opinions in this and other BHO threads are appalling and contradicts facts of the disease. Shut up and wear a mask to protect your friends and family, your children and your self. Your negligence is murder.

birdman - Posted - 09/22/2020:  10:57:32


quote:

Originally posted by paco0909

I am in hospital for orthopedic issues. This hospital closed all elective surgeries and was completely filled with Covid victims many of whom died. None of the doctors or nurses died primarily because of masks and isolation protocols. People died because of the lack of masks and protocols. Although many were elderly or had pre-existing conditions, many were young and healthy until contracting this disease. Some of the opinions in this and other BHO threads are appalling and contradicts facts of the disease. Shut up and wear a mask to protect your friends and family, your children and your self. Your negligence is murder.






    Aint freedom great? You can wear your mask and i can choose not to with no repercussions 

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