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bubbalouie - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:02:30


JIm When you have people still denying that this is serious & trying to convince others it isn't it makes me wonder. 

doryman - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:06:05


quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by bubbalouie

It might just a be a good way to weed the herd.






Totally inappropriate comment.



 






I don't know why people say things like that.  At the very least, Mr. Bubbalouie has likely not had a friend or relative afflicted by the virus and he also probably does not realize that some people who read his comments have had friends or relatives afflicted.  Also, it's just a cruel thing to write. 

doryman - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:21:04


 


Edited by - doryman on 03/31/2020 16:22:28

conic - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:22:30


quote:

Originally posted by doryman

quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by bubbalouie

It might just a be a good way to weed the herd.






Totally inappropriate comment.



 






I don't know why people say things like that.  At the very least, Mr. Bubbalouie has likely not had a friend or relative afflicted by the virus and he also probably does not realize that some people who read his comments have had friends or relatives afflicted.  Also, it's just a cruel thing to write. 






but he is entitled to his opinion same as you as long as its not politiks. who are you to say who is right or wrong, we have enough of the thought police in the UK talking people down as if they are the wise ones

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:31:45


quote:

Originally posted by conic

quote:

Originally posted by doryman

quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by bubbalouie

It might just a be a good way to weed the herd.






Totally inappropriate comment.



 






I don't know why people say things like that.  At the very least, Mr. Bubbalouie has likely not had a friend or relative afflicted by the virus and he also probably does not realize that some people who read his comments have had friends or relatives afflicted.  Also, it's just a cruel thing to write. 






but he is entitled to his opinion same as you as long as its not politiks. who are you to say who is right or wrong, we have enough of the thought police in the UK talking people down as if they are the wise ones






There is a difference between an opinion and riffing.



 

conic - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:35:54


you say tomato

doryman - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:42:12


Conic, I get that you are, at heart, a solipsist, but for those of us living in a world with others in it, it is generally considered to be poor form to refer to people dying as "a good way to thin the herd."

bubbalouie - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:45:59


I might have it right now. I have a runny nose, sore throat & a sinus headache. It could be just spring allergies. I've elected to stay home from work & limit my contact with others . We've been watching this escalate for months now.



I'm concerned that a lot of people still don't get it. 



 

conic - Posted - 03/31/2020:  16:48:09


not at all, now you sound childish, he is not responsible for your feelings

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 03/31/2020:  17:00:41


quote:

Originally posted by doryman

Conic, I get that you are, at heart, a solipsist.






Well played.



Conic can look that one up, as well as "opinion" and "riffing".



 


Edited by - OldNavyGuy on 03/31/2020 17:01:43

figmo59 - Posted - 03/31/2020:  17:48:56


Why dose everybody...well..some of youse guys...
Gotta come off as supieior.. to others...

Bad form if ya ask me..
I'll keep me problums...
Cause I certainly do not want...yours..

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 03/31/2020:  17:58:11


quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

Why dose everybody...well..some of youse guys...

Gotta come off as supieior.. to others...

 






If you have something to say, spit it out.



 

figmo59 - Posted - 03/31/2020:  18:39:48


Pretty sure i did Jim...

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:02:54


quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

Pretty sure i did Jim...






Pretty sure those were weasel words.



 

donc - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:08:11


quote:

Originally posted by Tobus

quote:

Originally posted by donc

The health authorities everywhere are desperate for masks. For that reason it makes good sense to downplay the necessity for the average person to have a stock of masks for trips to the supermarket. If we had a massive surplus of masks I believe they would encourage us to wear them . Even if a mask allowed a 5% leak it would still cut down the odds of sucking in saliva droplets from every direction.






When masks are in short supply, human ingenuity steps up!



And sometimes human idiocy too!








The good news is that when she removes the mask those stubborn stains will be gone from around her mouth.

figmo59 - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:22:14


quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

Pretty sure i did Jim...






Pretty sure those were weasel words.



 






Jim ..



I am trying to be kind...



But ...



Do you realise..that you have insulted members inteligence..



N ...now..



Sudo..name calling...



It just dose ..not...make you look good...



 



Good night...

chuckv97 - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:29:15


Geez,,,another few weeks of this isolating and the knives’ll really come out. Jim, please relax

jan dupree - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:30:14


quote:

Originally posted by prooftheory

quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Are the numbers there to buy a gun?






I already have guns. But even if I wanted to buy more, the gun store shelves have been emptied out by people who never bought a gun before.

Owen - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:32:34


"...emptied out by people who never bought a gun before."  Now there's a comforting thought.

jan dupree - Posted - 03/31/2020:  19:41:53


quote:

Originally posted by doryman

quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Not sure where you are getting your numbers.  So far in the USA,  for this month alone, 3700+ people have died from the corona virus.  That is about three time the rate that you mention in your post.  Exactly how much worse does it have to be for you before the "numbers are there." 






The death toll in the U.S as of today is 3700. But of that 3700 most had pre-existing serious medical issues. Some died of heart attacks, kidney failure, complications from cancer etc. they just happen to test positive for the virus, just like many other people who test positive but have no symptoms, or mild symptoms who recover in 2 or 3 days. This is out of a population of over 300 million . That is not uncommon. The Flu kills more every year. It's just a bunch of hype, they want to restructure the economy, and usher in a new vaccine.


Edited by - jan dupree on 03/31/2020 19:44:54

doryman - Posted - 03/31/2020:  20:14:21


quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

quote:

Originally posted by doryman

quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Not sure where you are getting your numbers.  So far in the USA,  for this month alone, 3700+ people have died from the corona virus.  That is about three time the rate that you mention in your post.  Exactly how much worse does it have to be for you before the "numbers are there." 






The death toll in the U.S as of today is 3700. But of that 3700 most had pre-existing serious medical issues. Some died of heart attacks, kidney failure, complications from cancer etc. they just happen to test positive for the virus, just like many other people who test positive but have no symptoms, or mild symptoms who recover in 2 or 3 days. This is out of a population of over 300 million . That is not uncommon. The Flu kills more every year. It's just a bunch of hype, they want to restructure the economy, and usher in a new vaccine.






Jan...you do realize that 3700 dead in 30 days = 45,015 in one year?  Right?  And that is assuming a linear growth rate, which it isn't right now..it's exponential. You understand that too, right? Also, I'm not really sure where you are going with "usher in a new vaccine."  I certainly hope that is what happens...and soon!   You don't want them to find a vaccine? 

Tommy5 - Posted - 03/31/2020:  20:31:02


The WH is saying if we “only” lose 100k, they will consider it a “victory “, even a figure of 200 k is considered possible if we follow all of the restrictions and maintain social distancing. The number of 100k dead means that over 100 million infected and that means 20 million sick enough to be bed ridden or in the hospital. Many folks with severe cases will have permanent lung and organ damage. It’s not just another flu, down play it at your own risk.

BanjoLink - Posted - 03/31/2020:  21:06:22


I'm not sure who Fig was referring to but as they say "if the shoe fits wear it".

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 03/31/2020:  21:12:30


quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

Pretty sure i did Jim...






Pretty sure those were weasel words.



 






Jim ..



I am trying to be kind...



But ...



Do you realise..that you have insulted members inteligence..



N ...now..



Sudo..name calling...



It just dose ..not...make you look good...



 



Good night...






Don't really care how I look.



If misinformation, quackery, nonsense, or just plain old bulls*** is posted, I'll call it out.



If you don't like it, ignore my posts and move on.



 

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 03/31/2020:  21:14:27


quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

quote:

Originally posted by doryman

quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Not sure where you are getting your numbers.  So far in the USA,  for this month alone, 3700+ people have died from the corona virus.  That is about three time the rate that you mention in your post.  Exactly how much worse does it have to be for you before the "numbers are there." 






The death toll in the U.S as of today is 3700. But of that 3700 most had pre-existing serious medical issues. Some died of heart attacks, kidney failure, complications from cancer etc. they just happen to test positive for the virus, just like many other people who test positive but have no symptoms, or mild symptoms who recover in 2 or 3 days. This is out of a population of over 300 million . That is not uncommon. The Flu kills more every year. It's just a bunch of hype, they want to restructure the economy, and usher in a new vaccine.






Stop posting your crap.



You have no clue what you're talking about.



It's backed up by nothing.



 

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:26:51


quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

Pretty sure i did Jim...






Pretty sure those were weasel words.



 






Jim ..



I am trying to be kind...



But ...



Do you realise..that you have insulted members inteligence..



N ...now..



Sudo..name calling...



It just dose ..not...make you look good...



 



Good night...






Don't really care how I look.



If misinformation, quackery, nonsense, or just plain old bulls*** is posted, I'll call it out.



If you don't like it, ignore my posts and move on.



 






Fair nuff..



But speaking of..b.s.



The CDC...



Seemed to..call..B.S. on what you claimed to be ..all knowing about.....or are you more Expert than them..?



 



 



 


Edited by - figmo59 on 04/01/2020 04:28:18

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:39:00


quote:

Originally posted by Owen

"...emptied out by people who never bought a gun before."  Now there's a comforting thought.






Yep..



 



That is why intrest..n training..is premoted by most firearms enthusiast..

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:45:56


quote:

Originally posted by m06

Ergo: what needs our constant vigilance is the functionality and freedom of healthy and robust democracy.



Because if we are naive and stand idly by or sleepwalk while allowing democratic process to be subverted no law will serve to protect us; instead we become fodder.



Require and nurture the integrity of our process. That is the cornerstone civic duty, and every citizen's moral and social responsibility. smiley






Wow...



Ah record Mike...



 



3 posts to got yer point across.. ;0*)



 



 



But one of yer best points ..so far...i..think..



I need more.. Ritalin...just to follow ya... :0/



 



Mebee "they"..um..."we"...need ta git ya.. ah ..brevity pill.. ;0*)

DC5 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:47:23


quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:51:34


It is an invisible enemy that we are fighting..

That is why many ..just do not get it... :0*/

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:53:17


Plus...
Many folks do not trust..the News..reportin..
"Both sides of the coin"..

DC5 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:54:09


quote:

Originally posted by Owen

"...emptied out by people who never bought a gun before."  Now there's a comforting thought.






Yeah, but it is opinion only and not based on any factual data.

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:54:54


Ergo...

The authority figgers...are not trusted...
"Both sides of the coin.."

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  04:59:11


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by Owen

"...emptied out by people who never bought a gun before."  Now there's a comforting thought.






Yeah, but it is opinion only and not based on any factual data.






Hahahahah...,!



 



Sorry Owen...



But I have met Dave personaly..smart guy...



His sense of humor can..slay me.... :0*)

OldBlindGuy - Posted - 04/01/2020:  05:29:33


quote:

Originally posted by m06

Ergo: what needs our constant vigilance is the functionality and freedom of healthy and robust democracy.



Because if we are naive and stand idly by or sleepwalk while allowing democratic process to be corrupted and subverted no law will serve to protect us.



Require, demand and nurture the integrity of our process. That is the cornerstone civic duty, and every citizen's moral and social responsibility. smiley






Holy crap, Mike..



We actually CAN agree on something!



Well said.  yes



 

figmo59 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  05:30:33


quote:

Originally posted by m06

quote:

Originally posted by figmo59

But one of yer best points ..so far...i..think..


I need more.. Ritalin...just to follow ya... :0/



 



Mebee "they"..um..."we"...need ta git ya.. ah ..brevity pill.. ;0*)






Not really. 'Soundbite culture', lowered attention span and loss of the ability to engage and debate complex issues that affect us all has long been acknowledged as part of the problem



A paragraph or two even on a banjo forum is hardly overkill. That is brief. wink






Good humor Mike.. :0*)



 



Cold n on ah stick..!



 



If you were ah kid growin up in the 60's...in the USA..



You might git the reference right of the bat..



If it dose not make sense to ya... :0*)


Edited by - figmo59 on 04/01/2020 05:31:46

BanjoLink - Posted - 04/01/2020:  06:11:51


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






No offense taken Dave.  For the things you mentioned, it isn't about grasping the concept of social distancing.  It is about applying it.  The golf courses, beaches, parks, etc, would all be fine if the people using them would apply it.  I wish I could understand the mindset that "this can never happen to me", so why should I change my normal activity".  I spend the better par of a week at the golf course near my house loading sand in my trailer and watched dozens of golfers go by.  Most were responsible, one to a cart, or walking, and keeping a social distance.  Then here comes two riding in a cart next to each other like nothing is different.  Husband and wife maybe OK, but certainly not with someone, even a good friend, who you have no idea where they have been or whom they have been exposed to.  It's, I guess, about like everything where a few irresponsible or clueless people cause a lot of grief for the majority.

conic - Posted - 04/01/2020:  08:31:35


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






What was you doing at the golf course?  maybe they can grasp the concept but dont agree, you can be a good boy if you want but everybody is not you, the cheek of it.



This is getting silly, somebody even had the cheek to link the bbc to back up his comments. hahaha 

DC5 - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:01:00


quote:

Originally posted by conic

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






What was you doing at the golf course?  maybe they can grasp the concept but dont agree, you can be a good boy if you want but everybody is not you, the cheek of it.



This is getting silly, somebody even had the cheek to link the bbc to back up his comments. hahaha 






My property boarders the golf course.  And I don't see how they can "grasp the concept, but don't agree"  If the governor has closed all golf courses, and this one is still operating, that is not a matter of agree or disagree, it is a matter of defiance.  Like people who don't agree with speed limits, or giving pedestrians the right of way in crosswalks.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.  People not agreeing with facts do not only endanger themselves, but others. I have no ill with those who wish to take risks and endanger themselves, but I have a great deal of ill with those whose reckless behavior endanger others. 

jan dupree - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:14:07


quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

quote:

Originally posted by doryman

quote:

Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Not sure where you are getting your numbers.  So far in the USA,  for this month alone, 3700+ people have died from the corona virus.  That is about three time the rate that you mention in your post.  Exactly how much worse does it have to be for you before the "numbers are there." 






The death toll in the U.S as of today is 3700. But of that 3700 most had pre-existing serious medical issues. Some died of heart attacks, kidney failure, complications from cancer etc. they just happen to test positive for the virus, just like many other people who test positive but have no symptoms, or mild symptoms who recover in 2 or 3 days. This is out of a population of over 300 million . That is not uncommon. The Flu kills more every year. It's just a bunch of hype, they want to restructure the economy, and usher in a new vaccine.






Stop posting your crap.



You have no clue what you're talking about.



It's backed up by nothing.



 






Your hysteria is backed up by nothing. You have been duped, and taken it hook, line and sinker. The number of cases will never support a Worldwide lockdown, much less the number of deaths.

jan dupree - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:16:39


quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by conic

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

quote:

Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






What was you doing at the golf course?  maybe they can grasp the concept but dont agree, you can be a good boy if you want but everybody is not you, the cheek of it.



This is getting silly, somebody even had the cheek to link the bbc to back up his comments. hahaha 






My property boarders the golf course.  And I don't see how they can "grasp the concept, but don't agree"  If the governor has closed all golf courses, and this one is still operating, that is not a matter of agree or disagree, it is a matter of defiance.  Like people who don't agree with speed limits, or giving pedestrians the right of way in crosswalks.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.  People not agreeing with facts do not only endanger themselves, but others. I have no ill with those who wish to take risks and endanger themselves, but I have a great deal of ill with those whose reckless behavior endanger others. 






Grocery stores are open, so is Home Depot and Lowes, why not Golf Courses. How are you able to contract a virus out on the Golf Course?


Edited by - jan dupree on 04/01/2020 09:19:04

prooftheory - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:18:58


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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by conic

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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






What was you doing at the golf course?  maybe they can grasp the concept but dont agree, you can be a good boy if you want but everybody is not you, the cheek of it.



This is getting silly, somebody even had the cheek to link the bbc to back up his comments. hahaha 






My property boarders the golf course.  And I don't see how they can "grasp the concept, but don't agree"  If the governor has closed all golf courses, and this one is still operating, that is not a matter of agree or disagree, it is a matter of defiance.  Like people who don't agree with speed limits, or giving pedestrians the right of way in crosswalks.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.  People not agreeing with facts do not only endanger themselves, but others. I have no ill with those who wish to take risks and endanger themselves, but I have a great deal of ill with those whose reckless behavior endanger others. 






Grocery stores are open, why not Golf Courses. How are you able to contract a virus out on the Golf Course?






Since I missed my chance to buy a gun I find it much harder to get food at the golf course than at the grocery store.

prooftheory - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:20:49


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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by doryman

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Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Not sure where you are getting your numbers.  So far in the USA,  for this month alone, 3700+ people have died from the corona virus.  That is about three time the rate that you mention in your post.  Exactly how much worse does it have to be for you before the "numbers are there." 






The death toll in the U.S as of today is 3700. But of that 3700 most had pre-existing serious medical issues. Some died of heart attacks, kidney failure, complications from cancer etc. they just happen to test positive for the virus, just like many other people who test positive but have no symptoms, or mild symptoms who recover in 2 or 3 days. This is out of a population of over 300 million . That is not uncommon. The Flu kills more every year. It's just a bunch of hype, they want to restructure the economy, and usher in a new vaccine.






Stop posting your crap.



You have no clue what you're talking about.



It's backed up by nothing.



 






Your hysteria is backed up by nothing. You have been duped, and taken it hook, line and sinker. The number of cases will never support a Worldwide lockdown, much less the number of deaths.






Out of curiosity, what would such a number be?

conic - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:21:59


my future prediction is that golf courses will sell food, problem solved

jan dupree - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:24:17


quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






No offense taken Dave.  For the things you mentioned, it isn't about grasping the concept of social distancing.  It is about applying it.  The golf courses, beaches, parks, etc, would all be fine if the people using them would apply it.  I wish I could understand the mindset that "this can never happen to me", so why should I change my normal activity".  I spend the better par of a week at the golf course near my house loading sand in my trailer and watched dozens of golfers go by.  Most were responsible, one to a cart, or walking, and keeping a social distance.  Then here comes two riding in a cart next to each other like nothing is different.  Husband and wife maybe OK, but certainly not with someone, even a good friend, who you have no idea where they have been or whom they have been exposed to.  It's, I guess, about like everything where a few irresponsible or clueless people cause a lot of grief for the majority.






But what is to stop those 2 guys in the cart from riding home in the same car, and hanging out at one of them's house. What next, a law of only 1 person to a car on the road.

O.D. - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:30:45


If people came to my area they would see the make shift hospitals,refrigeration trucks for corpses,hospital ship ,tents for testing zones ,and perhaps have a different point of view

Everett

BanjoLink - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:33:42


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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by BanjoLink

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Originally posted by DC5

quote:

Originally posted by BanjoLink

I don't understand why we have been told that masks are not effective against getting the virus and are only good for not spreading the virus (or cold or flu virus, etc.). If that were the case why is it so important for healthcare workers to wear masks. It seems like to me and common sense would say that it effective for both. Why were we told that it is not effective to protect us in the first place?






1) Health care workers are in an environment where there is a high density of the virus, not even close to what the general public is exposed to.



2) Masks work both ways, they protect the worker, and they protect the patient from the worker.  For the general public, if you are sick, and wear a mask, you are protecting the rest of the public.



3) Most people have neither the knowledge how, or the equipment to sanitize their masks.  Therefore, if they are exposed, the mask is not contaminated and when the get to their car, or their home, they spread the virus.  Worse yet, when they put the mask back on they risk further contaminating themselves.






Thanks Dave.  I do and have understood all of that.  What I didn't understand is why we were told otherwise.  Maybe it would have been better to have been given an explanation as to why the masks would not be effective if worn improperly and that it is better not to have a mask at all than to use them in an risky manner.  Maybe they didn't think we could grasp that concept.






This is not meant to offend you, and is not directed toward you, but think about how many people couldn't/can't grasp the concept of social distancing.  I still see people out on the golf course, even though golf courses are supposed to be closed in my state.  You can't stay 6 feet away from the other person in your golf cart.  The local Rod & Gun club had 8 cars in the parking lot yesterday, and no one outside.  Florida beaches full during spring break.  Students in Texas returning from Mexico on Spring break infected and infecting others.  If people can't grasp that concept, do you really think they will understand about masks? 






No offense taken Dave.  For the things you mentioned, it isn't about grasping the concept of social distancing.  It is about applying it.  The golf courses, beaches, parks, etc, would all be fine if the people using them would apply it.  I wish I could understand the mindset that "this can never happen to me", so why should I change my normal activity".  I spend the better par of a week at the golf course near my house loading sand in my trailer and watched dozens of golfers go by.  Most were responsible, one to a cart, or walking, and keeping a social distance.  Then here comes two riding in a cart next to each other like nothing is different.  Husband and wife maybe OK, but certainly not with someone, even a good friend, who you have no idea where they have been or whom they have been exposed to.  It's, I guess, about like everything where a few irresponsible or clueless people cause a lot of grief for the majority.






But what is to stop those 2 guys in the cart from riding home in the same car, and hanging out at one of them's house. What next, a law of only 1 person to a car on the road.






Nothing .......... but I certainly would be cautious with anyone that I was going to ride with now.

jan dupree - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:38:41


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Originally posted by prooftheory

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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by doryman

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Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






Not sure where you are getting your numbers.  So far in the USA,  for this month alone, 3700+ people have died from the corona virus.  That is about three time the rate that you mention in your post.  Exactly how much worse does it have to be for you before the "numbers are there." 






The death toll in the U.S as of today is 3700. But of that 3700 most had pre-existing serious medical issues. Some died of heart attacks, kidney failure, complications from cancer etc. they just happen to test positive for the virus, just like many other people who test positive but have no symptoms, or mild symptoms who recover in 2 or 3 days. This is out of a population of over 300 million . That is not uncommon. The Flu kills more every year. It's just a bunch of hype, they want to restructure the economy, and usher in a new vaccine.






Stop posting your crap.



You have no clue what you're talking about.



It's backed up by nothing.



 






Your hysteria is backed up by nothing. You have been duped, and taken it hook, line and sinker. The number of cases will never support a Worldwide lockdown, much less the number of deaths.






Out of curiosity, what would such a number be?






The Flu infects 25-30 million a year with about 30,000-35,000 deaths of people with pre-existing medical conditions. The current corona virus. which is evidently the Flu on steroids if you listen to the Government, would need fatality numbers over a million per month to warrant the current lockdown of the entire Nation. Number of cases are meaningless. There have been 250,000  people who have contracted the virus, and recovered, in 2 or 3 days, and others who never knew they had it, other than just not feeling good that day. It's ridiculous.

jan dupree - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:52:08


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Originally posted by DC5

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Originally posted by jan dupree

Nobody wears masks during Flu season, and 20,000 plus people a year die of the Flu. The numbers from the coronavirus are just not there to warrant the mass hysteria perpetrated by the media, at the direction of people who stand to make billions off the scare. Namely the Drug and Vaccine Industry.






I've never seen makeshift hospitals built during a flu season.  I've never seen doctors and nurses cry during a flu outbreak.  When was the last time you saw navy ship hospitals being used in a civilian port to take on the overload?  You are right, that the number of dead (so far) is a fraction of what die annually from the flu, but the rapid rate of sickness, and the numbers requiring hospitalization is much, much higher than for the flu.  Also, when you recover from the flu, you recover with very little, if any, lasting issues.  With this virus you have permanent lung tissue damage, and may permanently lose the ability to smell and taste.  The number sick is doubling every 3 days.  I don't know at what point you thing people should be concerned, but talk to the governors of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Washington, Louisiana, and California. Talk to people in Italy, Spain, France, Iran and Germany. 






The accuracy of those Government numbers and information is questionable. Just like everything the Government does.

prooftheory - Posted - 04/01/2020:  09:57:57


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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by prooftheory

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Originally posted by jan dupree

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Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

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Out of curiosity, what would such a number be?






The Flu infects 25-30 million a year with about 30,000-35,000 deaths of people with pre-existing medical conditions. The current corona virus. which is evidently the Flu on steroids if you listen to the Government, would need fatality numbers over a million per month to warrant the current lockdown of the entire Nation. Number of cases are meaningless. There have been 250,000  people who have contracted the virus, and recovered, in 2 or 3 days, and others who never knew they had it, other than just not feeling good that day. It's ridiculous.






This didn't answer the question.  How many people would have to die from COVID-19 who would otherwise be alive, for you to agree that social distancing policies are worthwhile?  The answer should be a number.

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