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Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/25/2020:  04:36:48


Hi all,
I've only just tried this in sawmill, it's easier and nicer than standard G for this tune I think. What do you play it in?
Andy


hoodoo - Posted - 02/25/2020:  06:00:25


Great playing!

I think that its usually played in "standard" G, but Phillip Kazee (son of Buell) also plays in in modal tuning on his CD available from Rounder Records : youtube.com/watch?v=6PhQ_0JyNFE

rnjc - Posted - 02/25/2020:  06:55:17


Ahh yes the man with the Howson, another great banjo I cant afford. Like your version of this. I started learning banjo three months ago, I considered learning this song in G but decided it there were other G tunes I preferred. If I had heard it in sawmill then I would have tried it, gives it a nice feel. Only done Shady Grove in sawmill. But got hooked on Double C so not done anymore in sawmill - yet.

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/25/2020:  08:24:31


quote:

Originally posted by hoodoo

Great playing!



I think that its usually played in "standard" G, but Phillip Kazee (son of Buell) also plays in in modal tuning on his CD available from Rounder Records : youtube.com/watch?v=6PhQ_0JyNFE






Thanks Hoodoo, Philip's version is good, thanks for sharing. It makes more sense to me in sawmill somehow. 



All the best,



Andy

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/25/2020:  08:34:54


quote:

Originally posted by rnjc

Ahh yes the man with the Howson, another great banjo I cant afford. Like your version of this. I started learning banjo three months ago, I considered learning this song in G but decided it there were other G tunes I preferred. If I had heard it in sawmill then I would have tried it, gives it a nice feel. Only done Shady Grove in sawmill. But got hooked on Double C so not done anymore in sawmill - yet.






Thanks Rob, appreciate the comments.



I sold a whole heap of stuff to buy my Howson. Moved in to a house left full of the previous owner's stuff. He asked if we wanted it. I said yes, my partner said no! I won. But then sold it all bit by bit, and got a bit of change too after Will made this for me.



Anyway if ever you are in a position to get a custom made, Will is brilliant to work with. I don't suppose there are many second hand Howsons around yet. (Guess there aren't many full stop..)



All that said old banjos don't sell for loads these days if you are prepared to do some work.



Thanks for the comments. I was a guitar player first (for years and years) and sawmill works better for guitar players fingers I think. Some similarities in chord shapes.



Cheers!



Andy

BrooksMT - Posted - 02/25/2020:  08:53:05


Steve Baughman plays OJC in guitar sawmill (CGDGCD) on his "Power of Claw" CD (a frailing guitar instructional CD, I recommend it). I could not find his song on Youtube, so won't post it w/o his permission. CD is sold out, so maybe he will let me, I'll ask him.

I play OJC in std G and in sawmill on the banjo. I really like your version, Andrew, thanks for posting!

gbisignani - Posted - 02/25/2020:  10:09:52


I play in open G but really like your version. But I have to say that I don't find it easier as you say in Sawmill or modal tuning. Maybe if I had learned it that way but after watching your left hand I think I would have given up trying in sawmill !!!

Emiel - Posted - 02/25/2020:  11:01:31


Nice, I'm going to try that too.

Bill Rogers - Posted - 02/25/2020:  11:21:26


I’ve always played it in G tuning. For your approach to the tune, sawmill works fine. I play it as a dance tune, and am comfortable with standard tuning for that. My version, with the late Dick Arnold on fiddle.



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Edited by - Bill Rogers on 02/25/2020 11:21:56

BrooksMT - Posted - 02/25/2020:  16:59:32


Steve Baughman gave me permission to record and upload his OJC off his instructional DVD: "Power of Claw - A complete course in clawhammer guitar, from beginner to advanced." This DVD is out of print/out of stock, apparently (I checked Elderly, Amazon, and Walmart). It's a great DVD if you want to learn to play claw on your guitar; it's fun, though the close spacing of guitar strings make it harder, for me, than claw on my banjos.



Steve uses what he calls Orkney tuning on his guitar: CGDGCD. You can see the close fit with banjo sawmill. I notice, in the video, that his thumb is usually hitting the low G string, not the low C, on his "ty" stroke, but he does play the low C more towards the end, i.e. in the B part. He uses a lot of drop thumb in the song. When I play, I usually hit the low C just because it's easier. I'm no expert on guitar :-)



Note: Steve arranged and played this song; that he is the performer is not  clear in the short description of the BHO stored .mp3, my fault, sorry. I could not figure out how to edit the .mp3 description, any help?


Edited by - BrooksMT on 02/25/2020 17:08:34


Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/26/2020:  02:58:02


quote:

Originally posted by gbisignani

I play in open G but really like your version. But I have to say that I don't find it easier as you say in Sawmill or modal tuning. Maybe if I had learned it that way but after watching your left hand I think I would have given up trying in sawmill !!!






I have that skill of making easy tunes look hard! ;-) 



I always played the full F chord in OJC in standard G tuning, and the full F chord in sawmill is easier to hit for sure. 



Thanks for the comments!



Andy

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/26/2020:  03:00:50


quote:

Originally posted by Bill Rogers

I’ve always played it in G tuning. For your approach to the tune, sawmill works fine. I play it as a dance tune, and am comfortable with standard tuning for that. My version, with the late Dick Arnold on fiddle.



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That's really good Bill, I'd be delighted if I could play it like that in standard G. And I'd be delighted to play with a fiddler that good too.



Thanks for sharing!

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/26/2020:  03:02:51


quote:

Originally posted by BrooksMT

Steve Baughman gave me permission to record and upload his OJC off his instructional DVD: "Power of Claw - A complete course in clawhammer guitar, from beginner to advanced." This DVD is out of print/out of stock, apparently (I checked Elderly, Amazon, and Walmart). It's a great DVD if you want to learn to play claw on your guitar; it's fun, though the close spacing of guitar strings make it harder, for me, than claw on my banjos.



Steve uses what he calls Orkney tuning on his guitar: CGDGCD. You can see the close fit with banjo sawmill. I notice, in the video, that his thumb is usually hitting the low G string, not the low C, on his "ty" stroke, but he does play the low C more towards the end, i.e. in the B part. He uses a lot of drop thumb in the song. When I play, I usually hit the low C just because it's easier. I'm no expert on guitar :-)



Note: Steve arranged and played this song; that he is the performer is not  clear in the short description of the BHO stored .mp3, my fault, sorry. I could not figure out how to edit the .mp3 description, any help?






Thanks Brooks, 



That's a really interesting sound, maybe I'll have a go. I've never experimented with guitar tunings before.



Always learning, always new (and old but new to me) stuff to try.



Andy

BrooksMT - Posted - 02/29/2020:  14:01:32


Here's my frailing OJC in sawmill tuning. Based on Steve Baughman's frailing guitar version, albeit mine is simplified :-)



Banjo is a Cedar Mt Brainjo Hobart model. This is a thin pot 11" banjo, sounds quite different (in a good way) from my other banjos (Stelling Bellflower, Carver Whyte Ladie).



Recording details in the song description.



I only played 1 take, the cat (Duute Bars = Noisey Tiger in Mongolian) seemed to like it: he did not scamper out of the house, anyway. I'm sure my minor leg bleeding will stop soon. *grin*


Edited by - BrooksMT on 02/29/2020 14:04:00


GeorgeG - Posted - 02/29/2020:  14:18:40


Very nice rendition.

Andyrhydycreuau - Posted - 02/29/2020:  14:19:57


quote:

Originally posted by BrooksMT

Here's my frailing OJC in sawmill tuning. Based on Steve Baughman's frailing guitar version, albeit mine is simplified :-)



Banjo is a Cedar Mt Brainjo Hobart model. This is a thin pot 11" banjo, sounds quite different (in a good way) from my other banjos (Stelling Bellflower, Carver Whyte Ladie).



Recording details in the song description.



I only played 1 take, the cat (Duute Bars = Noisey Tiger in Mongolian) seemed to like it: he did not scamper out of the house, anyway. I'm sure my minor leg bleeding will stop soon. *grin*






Thanks Brooks, nice version. Suffering for your art too. (I hope the cat finds a less painful way of showing appreciation. Are you sure that's what he was trying to say?)



Thanks for sharing!



Andy

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