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ClawJam - Posted - 01/17/2020:  14:46:26


a good friend was recently willed this banjo. i've done some research but can't figure exactly what it is.....basically he'd like to know what exactly it is and what it's street value is......thanks!







 

deestexas - Posted - 01/17/2020:  14:57:33


FB 59

The Old Timer - Posted - 01/17/2020:  15:04:11


Made to look like the model known as the Fender Concertone back in the 60s and 70s. It was the top of the line.

banjonz - Posted - 01/17/2020:  15:12:20


Definitely Asian made FB59.

ClawJam - Posted - 01/17/2020:  15:15:53


thanks for that but when i look up fb59 i don't see any that are gold......also asking for approximate value. thanks

Old Hickory - Posted - 01/17/2020:  15:34:19


quote:

Originally posted by ClawJam

thanks for that but when i look up fb59 i don't see any that are gold......also asking for approximate value. thanks






That's because this is the older Korean-made version, probably from the 80s into 90s. I believe FB-58 was nickel or chrome and 59 was gold. I also believe the "FB-5x" models were previously the Fender Leo Deluxe. Then the Leo name went away.  You can find old discussions on the history of the Leo.



Anyway, these weren't made by Fender so much as for Fender in Asian factories that produced instruments under all different brands. These did pretty much copy the look of the original US-made Fenders, except for using the generic Gibson-style flange instead of the unique Fender flange.



Probably could sell it for $500 to $800.  Maybe a little.  But once you get to the top of that range, you're competing with used RK-35 & 36, which -- while having less bling -- are more highly regarded and generally better instruments.  Even used RK-Elite-75 and Deering Sierra sell around $1000, and the Fender is no competition for them.



Good luck.



Edited to add: This Korean version is probably more desirable than the 21st century Chinese version. And it appears to have a thick 3-ply rim, which is a good feature. Still, I don't think it's worth over $1,000.


Edited by - Old Hickory on 01/17/2020 15:38:13

deestexas - Posted - 01/17/2020:  15:58:21


Here's one on Reverb for $850.  reverb.com/p/fender-premier-co...ce=google

5strings3picks1banjo - Posted - 01/18/2020:  03:48:12


Thought it may have been an Artist reissue early 2000's

ClawJam - Posted - 01/18/2020:  09:51:59


Thanks everybody!

Old Hickory - Posted - 01/18/2020:  10:24:15


quote:

Originally posted by 5strings3picks1banjo

Thought it may have been an Artist reissue early 2000's






No such thing, unfortunately.

5strings3picks1banjo - Posted - 01/18/2020:  21:51:59


quote:

Originally posted by Old Hickory

quote:

Originally posted by 5strings3picks1banjo

Thought it may have been an Artist reissue early 2000's






No such thing, unfortunately.






I thought I had seen one some years back so I did some searching and found an old post from Banjo warehouse and another from a site Reverb. 



banjowarehouse.com/product/fen...hardware/



reverb.com/item/18114069-fende...ware-2009



 

desert rose - Posted - 01/19/2020:  06:25:09


Leon

You are partially right. There was ONE Prototype made. I made it. It was an arrangement I had. I pitched the idea to enter the high end banjo market again to my friends, HIGH up at Fender, A few loved the idea, but the final say was vetoed. So I pitched it to the high ups at Fender Japan and they liked the idea. I built two, only finished one ( still have no. 2 ) But when push came to shove the plan was vetoed again. The ONE made a Concertone was bought by Turtlehill Banjo, and I think he has it again.

Its not true to the Salstrom design its a Masterone pot

Scott

5strings3picks1banjo - Posted - 01/19/2020:  10:30:12


quote:

Originally posted by desert rose

Leon



You are partially right. There was ONE Prototype made. I made it. It was an arrangement I had. I pitched the idea to enter the high end banjo market again to my friends, HIGH up at Fender, A few loved the idea, but the final say was vetoed. So I pitched it to the high ups at Fender Japan and they liked the idea. I built two, only finished one ( still have no. 2 ) But when push came to shove the plan was vetoed again. The ONE made a Concertone was bought by Turtlehill Banjo, and I think he has it again.



Its not true to the Salstrom design its a Masterone pot



Scott






Thank you for sharing that amazing history. 

When did salstrom style finish and when did mastertone style one piece flange start.

 

desert rose - Posted - 01/19/2020:  16:26:18


Salstrom were of course the great Fullerton made Artist and Concertone banjos, they stopped in 1980. Just before that the Japanese Leo brand started, they were the first Masterclones



The links you shared were NOT banjos we are talking about, those are Chinese Dalian made, Materclones, outright robbery of the famous names of Fender USA past. But in NAME only



Scott


Edited by - desert rose on 01/19/2020 16:29:28

Old Hickory - Posted - 01/19/2020:  19:51:10


quote:

Originally posted by desert rose

The links you shared were NOT banjos we are talking about, those are Chinese Dalian made, Materclones, outright robbery of the famous names of Fender USA past. But in NAME only






But were they marketed by Fender as Artist Reissues, as the lik ads seem to imply?  I don't recall that.  I'm pretty sure it was just called the FB-58 or FB-59 (in gold).  There may have been talk in the banjo community that they somewhat resembled the Artist, which they did. The laminated walnut neck with center stripe was a nice touch that set them apart from the other Masterclones.  I'm guessing a 70s Fender-style flange was probably too costly a detail for the price point they were targeting.



I'm thinking "Artist Reissue" came from the minds of the sellers who posted those ads.


Edited by - Old Hickory on 01/19/2020 19:52:38

desert rose - Posted - 01/20/2020:  00:15:53


Ken Exactly Fender never issued " reissues "
of the California banjos, they just took a fantastic legacy and stuck it on upper entry level instuments. Knowing Fender as I do, some clown probably got the idea from my suggestion for them to reenter the high end banjo market... and they thought " hell we can do the same thing in China " ( g )

mikehalloran - Posted - 01/21/2020:  05:51:21


I have a scan of the 28 page Fender banjo catalog from the 1960s. If you PM me, I will email a copy to you.

It would be nice if the BHO had a place to upload old ephemera like this.

Aitor Eneko - Posted - 01/21/2020:  06:04:28


quote:

Originally posted by mikehalloran



It would be nice if the BHO had a place to upload old ephemera like this.






yes!! very good idea and it is vey interesting for banjo lovers. 

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