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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Is there a style that combines some picking and some flailing?


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rayhomewood - Posted - 12/20/2019:  09:09:11


Hi. I have played guitar for 50 years but am hooked on banjo now. I also have a banjo-uke and a banjo-mandolin....I struggle, like many guitarists, with the clawhammer right hand, and often find myself picking upwards on the “dit” of the “bum dit-ty”. As a guitarist, I developed a weird right hand style with thumb and index clamped together (but no pick), and mixed up strumming with that and picking with the other fingers.

My question is, has anyone tried to develop a hybrid style?

Thanks.

rayhomewood - Posted - 12/20/2019:  09:13:47


Sorry, did not write flailing, although it’s probably appropriate in my case!

RevSpyder - Posted - 12/20/2019:  09:36:31


I saw an episode of David Holt's Appalachian Music series on PBS the other night, and the fellow in one of the early episodes (I don't remember his name) was playing what was described as an old time style. It's something I've been experimenting with myself and seeing him do it really helped. It combines "Seeger" style up picking with 2 finger picking. The up picking mostly during the vocal (more like clawhammer or guitar strumming), the two finger (a little like Scruggs, but not really) mostly during the pauses in the singing. At least that what it seemed like to me. I thought it worked really well and I'm gonna practice up on it!



Oh, by the way, Ray I come from 50+ years of guitar also!


Edited by - RevSpyder on 12/20/2019 09:37:52

DH#52 - Posted - 12/20/2019:  09:43:24


Spyder mentioned "Seeger style," and, of course, he means Pete Seeger, who combined two-finger picking with clawhammer to develop what’s now referred to as Seeger style. That's maybe an oversimplification of how Seeger style developed, but it's essentially correct.



Steve 


Edited by - DH#52 on 12/20/2019 09:53:32

Jim E. - Posted - 12/20/2019:  10:01:58


Here's an interesting example of combining the two styles effectively:
youtube.com/watch?v=FFevEPAwPP4

JHarschPBC - Posted - 12/20/2019:  10:40:31


Look out for Clifton Hicks. He's a younger guy keeping the music true to its roots. He does both clawhammer and two finger in a few songs. Sometimes when I play with one of my bands, I'll switch between 3F and clawhammer, depending on what serves the song best.

There is no one name for it, but it does take some finesse. It's not always practical to just switch in the middle of a tune though. Sometimes the rhythms of CH and 3F are too different to make the switch sound smooth.

rooksbay - Posted - 12/20/2019:  10:41:51


Dock Boggs did a little of both in his tunes, as well, and in a way that has a different feel than Pete Seeger. Clifton Hicks is a more contemporary example, too. I'm a fan of all three!

rayhomewood - Posted - 12/20/2019:  11:57:15


Many thanks everybody, that’s really interesting and encouraging!

rooksbay - Posted - 12/20/2019:  12:05:24


O, another thought. Take a look at ClawJam picks. They're designed in such a way that you can do both. I use bare fingers myself when I'm doing Dock Boggs tunes, but the ClawJam picks do work.

Lew H - Posted - 12/20/2019:  13:14:55


Several of the sixties folkie pickers would mix up finger style and clawing in one song. Seeger, as mentioned, is a prime example.

darryl k. - Posted - 12/20/2019:  17:21:21


I do it all the time. Make your own style. Try some 2 finger style. That leaves both you index and middle finger for up picked melody notes or for strums. Mix em up. 


Edited by - darryl k. on 12/20/2019 17:23:15

Neil Allen - Posted - 12/20/2019:  22:25:53


There's a demo of a highly interesting mixed style here:



youtube.com/watch?v=bSlEy3YfuIs&t=0s



It's basically two-finger thumb lead, but using the middle finger (rather than the index) on the first string, leaving the index finger free to either strum or break into a forward roll.

hobogal - Posted - 12/21/2019:  10:56:44


youtube.com/watch?v=M3ZqPaLsXac&t=88s  nice up-picking banjo by Matthiew Brandt.  Really like his 'Scrimshaw' album, all original compositions.

Helix - Posted - 01/08/2020:  13:18:02


Try up picking using two finger pinch chords

Like others in performance, I find the audience hears a century ago just by Frailing and claw out over the 19th or Z position. X, Y and Z

crowfielder - Posted - 01/12/2020:  21:22:19


Just an interesting anecdote: A few years back I was out busking in Santa Fe and heard someone playing banjo down the street. I ventured to listen and found a ragged train hopper with some ungodly Savannah banjo or something, but his rhythm was mesmerizing. I fixed his intonation real quick and talked shop—he’d taught himself and had invented his own style which was much like a frailing / picking mix but with such unique and driving rhythmic emphasis that it made for hands down the catchiest, most danceable banjo playing I’ve EVER (and I mean ever!) heard.

It was some kind of five-motion pattern that involved upstrokes and a clawhammer-like single stroke where the thumb caught the chantrelle on the way down. I had him explain it and I’ve regretted not recording that conversation regularly since. I can’t stress how good it sounded! Just goes to show that to this day bums in train yards are unwittingly making completely organic, unique and compelling folk music that no one is likely to ever hear. Never pass a busker by!

The controversial player Frank Fairfield has some interesting hybrid styles. His version of “Poor Little Turtle Dove” on YouTube is still one of my favorite banjo songs ever. It’s a love him or hate him type deal but it might lend some inspiration either way.

5strings3picks1banjo - Posted - 02/09/2020:  22:42:04


quote:

Originally posted by rayhomewood

Hi. I have played guitar for 50 years but am hooked on banjo now. I also have a banjo-uke and a banjo-mandolin....I struggle, like many guitarists, with the clawhammer right hand, and often find myself picking upwards on the “dit” of the “bum dit-ty”. As a guitarist, I developed a weird right hand style with thumb and index clamped together (but no pick), and mixed up strumming with that and picking with the other fingers.



My question is, has anyone tried to develop a hybrid style?



Thanks.






I also came from a guitar background and I struggle with clawhammer and Scruggs but I can do Scruggs style better. For my openback playing I made my own style so I can enjoy the sound without being frustrated about clawhammer.



banjohangout.org/topic/361000



rayhomewood - Posted - 02/10/2020:  02:29:18


Cool. Thanks ??

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