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JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/07/2019:  18:04:45


Where is the good stuff? A bunch of Silver Bell 1’s, upgraded candy Apple banjos, and a bunch of parts banjos with people playing pretend about their origins.



Why is nothing good for sale right now?


Edited by - JackRyanNPU on 12/09/2019 17:23:54

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/08/2019:  04:50:36


There's all sorts of good stuff in the classified, evidently, just not what you are looking to purchase. Remember: one person's junk is another person's treasure.

Fathand - Posted - 12/08/2019:  07:13:48


BHO is largely built around user contributions.

Personally, I think Gibsons, Stellings etc. are great banjos to have listed here.

If you think there should be better stuff listed, you could list some.

Joel Hooks - Posted - 12/08/2019:  11:01:59


Perhaps everyone who has original Bacon Silver Bell banjos (and not fake or upgraded) have decided to keep them as the prices are going down as Baby Boomers continue to downsize or pass?



Maybe they are hoping that there will be another Shakey's Pizza/ Your Father's Mustache fad that will eventually raise prices? 

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 12/08/2019:  14:22:25


There is always some ebb and flow to items that are for sale. Sometimes nothing shows up, then suddenly there will be more items than a person can count, let alone afford.

It's also possible that what appeals to you might be trelatively rare, and that what doesn't appeal to you could still be of high quality but not quite what you are looking for.

I also think many sellers will be outraged by your claims that sellers are "pretending" about the origins of their pieces. You should be more careful about how you word your complaints, and be more patient while waiting for what you want.

okbluegrassbanjopicker - Posted - 12/08/2019:  17:53:23


Most sellers on the Hangout are seasoned veterans of knowing what is junk and what isn't, and I doubt you'd find a truly "junk" banjo for sale here. Only the very worst of the import banjos might qualify as junk --banjos which look like banjos but don't function in the intended way-- and the majority of sellers here, deal in anything but junk. I seriously doubt a seller in their right mind would list something which they knew was worthless. 

Bill Rogers - Posted - 12/08/2019:  18:33:45


For better or worse, many more 5-string players than 4-string players haunt BHO. So most of the good banjos in the Classifieds are 5-stringers, while you seem to be considering 4-stringers. If your reference is to the 4-string market at large, I have no ideas not posted above.

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/09/2019:  10:08:44


quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

There is always some ebb and flow to items that are for sale. Sometimes nothing shows up, then suddenly there will be more items than a person can count, let alone afford.



It's also possible that what appeals to you might be trelatively rare, and that what doesn't appeal to you could still be of high quality but not quite what you are looking for.



I also think many sellers will be outraged by your claims that sellers are "pretending" about the origins of their pieces. You should be more careful about how you word your complaints, and be more patient while waiting for what you want.






I have been very careful about how I've worded my complaints and quite frankly, I hope that they are outraged because the banjo world is continuously fooled and flooded by obvious fakes made out to be real by those with 'prominent' names who eventually sell them for 3-5x their value. 



Dont get me started on some of the obvious fakes that have passed through a certain museum in OKC that are passed off as original.



It's just people who cant find an original who had a replica made, tell their family it's original, and then the family sells it as such, and then boom, it becomes make-believe land with banjos that have no prominence. 



Everytime I see a 'mint condition' Ne Plus Ultra, I roll my eyes and hold onto my wallet because though I may be young, I'm not stupid. 



If folks stopped playing pretend and living in Make-Believe land with Mr. Rogers, I wouldnt be making a post like this.



A lot of people think it, but they wont say it because they dont want the '4 string banjo world' to be upset with them. I could care less, it's a dying world and most of my heroes who are the real stars of the 4 string banjo dont frequent this forum, nor attend any of the conventions anymore due to this and many other reasons. 



Ever wonder why you dont see Lee Floyd or Ben Johnson around these forums? 



 



I dont. 

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/09/2019:  12:50:06


You have a right to your opinion, but if you don't like the forum(s) the posts or the people, why do you stay and post negatively? Isn't there somewhere else where you might be happy?

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/09/2019:  14:13:45


I do like the posts and the majority of the people.

It’s only a few crooks who grind my gears.

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 12/09/2019:  15:20:07


Thanks for trying to save us all Billy Ray.



No one actually gives two squats what you think about BHO ads, posts, or posters.



My guess is you're more concerned about competition, since you sell here.



Your "no returns" policy (on your current ad) means you don't stand by your claims, or your merchandise.

 


Edited by - Texasbanjo on 12/10/2019 04:31:59

G Edward Porgie - Posted - 12/09/2019:  16:04:39


"Quite frankly," I see no care whatsoever in your comments' wording on this particular thread.

While it may be true that there are fakes and people making false claims, I think you are overreacting and blaming everyone, including the legitimate sellers, for a few rotten Ebay and Craigslist apples.

Maybe you are young, and maybe you are not stupid, but both youth and stupidity can be contributing factors to rudeness. I hope it's only the former and a little more age/experience teaches you some tact.

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/09/2019:  17:20:22


quote:

Originally posted by G Edward Porgie

"Quite frankly," I see no care whatsoever in your comments' wording on this particular thread.



While it may be true that there are fakes and people making false claims, I think you are overreacting and blaming everyone, including the legitimate sellers, for a few rotten Ebay and Craigslist apples.



Maybe you are young, and maybe you are not stupid, but both youth and stupidity can be contributing factors to rudeness. I hope it's only the former and a little more age/experience teaches you some tact.






I have tact. 

 



I said what I said because I meant what I said and I want the right parties to see it in the way that I said it. 

 



My complaints are not towards Craigslist or eBay listings. 

 



My complaints are to 'dealers' and 'trusted sources' on their make believe banjos that they sell. 

 



I do appreciate your concern, but I have chosen my words carefully. 

 



In fact, I don't think I'm being abrasive enough. 

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/09/2019:  17:26:49


quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

Thanks for trying to save us all Billy Ray.



No one actually gives two squats what you think about BHO ads, posts, or posters.



My guess is you're more concerned about competition, since you sell here.



Your "no returns" policy (on your current ad) means you don't stand by your claims, or your merchandise.

 




First off,



Thanks for your service to our country. 

 



Second, Ok Boomer.



 


Edited by - Texasbanjo on 12/10/2019 04:33:14

okbluegrassbanjopicker - Posted - 12/09/2019:  18:28:16


Jack, I think you could definitely be more abrasive (not that it would accomplish anything!) but it’s clear that you’ve been careful not to go on an all-out bashing festival and have been courteous enough not to use asterisks to express your disgust.

okbluegrassbanjopicker - Posted - 12/09/2019:  19:05:33


I’ll add, however, that any abrasiveness (member-to-member or member-to-moderator), intentional or not, has absolutely no place on the Hangout.



Remember; everyone can see the replies anyone posts, and it’s much safer to not post (regardless even if you’re itching to do it) a reply that will “show that so-and-so who he’s talking to!”



If members want to “slug it out,” they can do it via email, or the Hangout gets a bad rap very quickly. 


Edited by - okbluegrassbanjopicker on 12/09/2019 19:07:37

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/09/2019:  19:49:26


quote:

Originally posted by bluegrassbanjopicker

I’ll add, however, that any abrasiveness (member-to-member or member-to-moderator), intentional or not, has absolutely no place on the Hangout.



Remember; everyone can see the replies anyone posts, and it’s much safer to not post (regardless even if you’re itching to do it) a reply that will “show that so-and-so who he’s talking to!”



If members want to “slug it out,” they can do it via email, or the Hangout gets a bad rap very quickly. 






I appreciate your email about this. Always appreciate a kind word.



However, Jim is an old fool that the world has forgotten about, I'm not worried about him. He has no power, just a keyboard. 

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 12/09/2019:  22:33:51


Nice try at redirecting the conversation away from yourself...that was precious.



Unfortunately, another fail...even with help from bluegrassbanjopicker in the peanut gallery.



Hope he asked his Dad first.



To be clear, not too old, or too foolish, to recognize a troll and a poser when I see one.



Your post above is just another example.



You might try posting your whining rants on reddit, and/or slashdot.



You will not be missed here.



 


Edited by - OldNavyGuy on 12/09/2019 22:40:16

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/10/2019:  04:35:10


Okay, Jack and Jim, take your insults off the Hangout or get a time out to cool off. And Jim, let's watch our language. Starred out curse words are still not wanted or needed on the Hangout.

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/10/2019:  05:38:40


Hid a flaming post. Stop it you two or get a time out.

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/10/2019:  05:40:04


quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

Hid a flaming post. Stop it you two or get a time out.






You won't hide his flaming posts, though. 

Eric A - Posted - 12/10/2019:  05:40:20


I used to do a lot of flamethrowing on blogs and other social media, but I've learned to just NOT. Why sit and be angry? It doesn't satisfy. And 9 times out of 10 I'd follow up with something that is even worse, and then I'm REALLY angry, but mostly at myself. Go do something else instead. Go walk the dog. Go play your banjo. The wife probably has a "honey-do" list for you a mile long. Go work on that instead of shouting at the internet.

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/10/2019:  05:45:37


quote:

Originally posted by Eric A

I used to do a lot of flamethrowing on blogs and other social media, but I've learned to just NOT. Why sit and be angry? It doesn't satisfy. And 9 times out of 10 I'd follow up with something that is even worse, and then I'm REALLY angry, but mostly at myself. Go do something else instead. Go walk the dog. Go play your banjo. The wife probably has a "honey-do" list for you a mile long. Go work on that instead of shouting at the internet.






I think he's a widower. 

okbluegrassbanjopicker - Posted - 12/10/2019:  05:54:38


This is a public forum. The Hangout was not made by an individual who believes in “anything goes;” if it was, then I suppose we’d even have adult material here, which is strictly prohibited. The Hangout’s better half won’t stand for it. 



The whole thread has become a shameful disgrace in short order. 

mike gregory - Posted - 12/10/2019:  06:04:46


When I say "Mint condition", I MEAN mint condition!


Dogface - Posted - 12/10/2019:  08:58:32


quote:

Originally posted by Joel Hooks

Perhaps everyone who has original Bacon Silver Bell banjos (and not fake or upgraded) have decided to keep them as the prices are going down as Baby Boomers continue to downsize or pass?



Maybe they are hoping that there will be another Shakey's Pizza/ Your Father's Mustache fad that will eventually raise prices? 






I think you nailed it right there... I am a BB and am downsizing myself, but the market is so soft it's hard to get a decent price for a treasure

guitarbanjoman - Posted - 12/10/2019:  09:03:30


Mike G: Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!


Edited by - guitarbanjoman on 12/10/2019 09:05:01

OldNavyGuy - Posted - 12/10/2019:  22:44:01


quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

And Jim, let's watch our language. Starred out curse words are still not wanted or needed on the Hangout.






I was following your lead from this post by  flyingsquirrelinlay  you edited with stars on 12/7.



banjohangout.org/topic/359240/#4549902



Seemed if it was starred, it's OK.



Thanks.



 


Edited by - OldNavyGuy on 12/10/2019 22:45:41

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/11/2019:  04:39:34


OldNavyGuy Just because we didn't happen to catch one starred word doesn't mean it's okay for you to do the same. You should have enough of a vocabulary to state what you think without resorting to curse words that have to be starred out. It IS against the rules.

Rule #2 of the guidelines and rules says as follows: Profanity or Racial/Religious Slurs: Keep in mind that these forums are visited by people of all ages and backgrounds. Besides.. a foul mouth doesn't impress anyone.

So, you aren't impressing anyone with starred words and it's not okay.

Omeboy - Posted - 12/11/2019:  08:04:42


Really too bad you mods can't come up with some sort of "anti-stupidity filter." With such a feature in place, this (and many other threads) would have never happened.

"Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."......Mark Twain

pdinneen1 - Posted - 12/11/2019:  09:11:17


quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

And Jim, let's watch our language. Starred out curse words are still not wanted or needed on the Hangout.






I was following your lead from this post by  flyingsquirrelinlay  you edited with stars on 12/7.



banjohangout.org/topic/359240/#4549902



Seemed if it was starred, it's OK.



Thanks.



 






The moderator(s) need to be cognizant of the disparaging and agism remarks that are still on this thread. May have been an oversight. 

Laurence Diehl - Posted - 12/11/2019:  09:36:19


quote:

Originally posted by Omeboy

Really too bad you mods can't come up with some sort of "anti-stupidity filter." With such a feature in place, this (and many other threads) would have never happened.

"Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."......Mark Twain






I also wonder why a forum named playing advice tolerates a post by a trader who is solely interested in sales. What is this post even doing here?

aintbrokejustbadlybent - Posted - 12/11/2019:  11:12:34


Omeboy
I would like to hit the like button a few more times for your comment.
A dose of Twain each day could possibly make the world a less crazy place.

Omeboy - Posted - 12/11/2019:  11:19:13


Mike,
Here's another one for you that seems appropriate:
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” ......Mark Twain
aintbrokejustbadlybent

m06 - Posted - 12/11/2019:  11:43:14


Who'd've thunk that a shortfall of banjos for sale would ever be the cause of incandescent rage? Wow.



I'd hate to be the mole that burrowed his lawn. laugh


Edited by - m06 on 12/11/2019 11:43:39

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/11/2019:  12:02:18


quote:

Originally posted by pdinneen1

quote:

Originally posted by OldNavyGuy

quote:

Originally posted by Texasbanjo

And Jim, let's watch our language. Starred out curse words are still not wanted or needed on the Hangout.






I was following your lead from this post by  flyingsquirrelinlay  you edited with stars on 12/7.



banjohangout.org/topic/359240/#4549902



Seemed if it was starred, it's OK.



Thanks.



 






The moderator(s) need to be cognizant of the disparaging and agism remarks that are still on this thread. May have been an oversight. 






Oh look, he exists. 

 



How are things in the forgotten land? 

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/11/2019:  12:04:15


quote:

Originally posted by Laurence Diehl

quote:

Originally posted by Omeboy

Really too bad you mods can't come up with some sort of "anti-stupidity filter." With such a feature in place, this (and many other threads) would have never happened.

"Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."......Mark Twain






I also wonder why a forum named playing advice tolerates a post by a trader who is solely interested in sales. What is this post even doing here?






Can't play if there's nothing worth playing. 

 



Also, I buy as well. 

Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/11/2019:  14:06:57


Enough already. You were warned to be civil. Locked.



Looks like Jack got the last word after all.... managed to post one more time before I could lock it.  Oh, well, we won't hear from him for a while. 


Edited by - Texasbanjo on 12/11/2019 14:12:10

JackRyanNPU - Posted - 12/11/2019:  14:07:03


quote:

Originally posted by Laurence Diehl

quote:

Originally posted by Omeboy

Really too bad you mods can't come up with some sort of "anti-stupidity filter." With such a feature in place, this (and many other threads) would have never happened.

"Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."......Mark Twain






I also wonder why a forum named playing advice tolerates a post by a trader who is solely interested in sales. What is this post even doing here?






What are you doing here? 

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