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mattoxh - Posted - 10/29/2019:  12:05:25


I play with a 4 sometimes person Traditional Music group. For the most part with the exception of a Bass Uke and sometimes using a mic singing we have been totally acoustic. We play for the enjoyment locally in churches and local businesses. We are looking for a compact Portable Sound System. We would like to Mic the Instruments; Banjo and Guitars, hook up the Bass Uke and either share a mic or have two or three on a stand.
I looked through the old forum posts but things have changed so much with the new technology that is now available. I have looked the Peavey Escort 3000 and the IP 2000 Turbosound. . Any ideas or recommendations appreciated

jtallant - Posted - 10/29/2019:  12:32:45


My band has been using the Peavey escort 6000 for about 5 years now and we find it practically BULLET PROOF. For ease of setup, we use a MXL condenser (single) mic and a small powered stage monitor. Because none of us are sound engineers, we wanted something inexpensive, easy to setup and take down, that didn't cost a fortune. We mostly do small to medium size shows and the escort 6000 has provided sound for both indoor and outdoor gigs. It might sound like I'm paid by Peavey but really I'm not. I'm just a firm believer in this great little system. If you were add up the cost of our entire stage setup (pa, banners, stands, mics, cables, etc) it would only total about $2500. And the entire thing fits in the trunk of your car.

mattoxh - Posted - 10/29/2019:  13:04:23


Thank you for replying. I have no preference of brand, we are much the same except we play small venues inside and out and when we are outside we desperately need amplification. We are definitely not sound engineers and need something easy to operate, breakdown and setup. I contacted a retailer and he had nothing bad to say about the Peavey 3000 but thought the upgrade to the IP 2000 Turbosound was a good choice. He also suggested adding a mixer to the the IP 2000. I will look at the Peavey 3000. Thanks again.

mattoxh - Posted - 10/29/2019:  13:07:06


I meant to say I would look at the Peavey 6000

eagleisland - Posted - 10/29/2019:  14:16:46


Hey ward, I suggest you read the PA 101 sticky at the top of this forum.

rcc56 - Posted - 10/29/2019:  19:52:48


I think that of the two systems you mentioned, you will find the Peavey is far more flexible.



I am personally not fond of tower systems such as the Turbosound,  which looks like a lower priced knock-off of a Bose system.  I consider them to be suitable only for solo or duet acts at low power unless you add a separate mixer.



I have been using a Yamaha EMX512sc powered mixer for years. It's light weight and flexible, and will accept 8 instruments or mics. It will drive 2 mains and 2 monitors at moderate power using passive speakers, or 2 mains at moderately high power with powered monitors or a separate monitor amp. Add the speakers of your choice.



I don't know whether they are still making it, but if not, I'm sure an equivalent model is available.


Edited by - rcc56 on 10/29/2019 20:11:52

mattoxh - Posted - 10/30/2019:  05:49:08


Thanks for your input. A friend is a big proponent of Bose.

rcc56 - Posted - 10/30/2019:  11:45:42


My minimum requirements for a sound system for a 4 piece band are as follows:

Separate channels for 8 microphones or instruments.
Volume, bass, midrange, treble, and monitor controls for each channel.
On-board volume controls for main mix and monitor mix.
A graphic equalizer or notch filter to provide for feedback control.
Output power of 400 to 500 watts rms.
2-way speakers for mains with a 12" woofer, rated for 250 watts rms apiece.
2-way speakers for monitors with a 10" or 12" woofer. Make sure you have a way to amplify the monitor signal.
SM 57 and SM 58 or similar quality microphones.

These are my minimum requirements. How much fancier one can choose to get depends on how much one wants to spend and carry.

A couple of things that are nice to have, but not essential, are effects and phantom power.

R Buck - Posted - 10/30/2019:  14:02:34


We've used the Peavey 6000 for several years and it is a workhorse. Does everything we ask of it and worth it's weight.

cantpick - Posted - 11/04/2019:  17:08:44


A compressor really can add a punch and smoothness to the signal coming out of the mixer, before going into the amp. It will sound set apart from traditional pa's that don't use a compressor. One compressor I'm thinking of is in the link below, and it's really easy to use. One channel runs about $400. If you're not using stereo panning you can get by with one unit. You just dial up the "Peak Reduction" until the meter (which should be on gain reduction mode) reads between 1-3 dB of gain reduction when the band is playing. That's the knob on the right. The knob on the left is like a make-up gain knob, just turn it up slightly to get the same gain back going into the power amp.



It will definitely make the sound come alive.

 



sweetwater.com/store/detail/KT...ompressor

banjoak - Posted - 11/05/2019:  05:27:21


Just to mention that if it's a relatively small powered system, you might want to have the bass go through it's own designated bass amp/speaker, not the mains.



Also, might consider just a small mixer; and powered speakers.


Edited by - banjoak on 11/05/2019 05:34:59

mattoxh - Posted - 11/06/2019:  07:17:04


I finally made a decision I purchased 2 10” JBL Power Speakers and a Soundcraft EPM8 Mixer, from Sweetwater. The folks at Sweetwater Sound were a big help.
Thanks to all for the input. The BH Community is great.

rvrose - Posted - 11/06/2019:  18:01:35


Good choice.
We recently upgraded our PA with a couple mackie Thump 15 powered speakers and we use a Behringer xr16 wireless mixer. The speakers are comparable to your JBLs. We like the wireless mixer as we can have someone in audience tweak the channels using an app on a smart phone. We mostly have Audio-Technica and MXL Condenser mics. But you can plug in direct too if you have pickups. On smalls gig we just take one speaker and scale back the number of mics. Another thing about the Behringer is that you can save the settings for each gig, so you can just reload the settings if you go back.

mattoxh - Posted - 01/01/2020:  12:59:47


Another Sound system question regarding my new sound system with JBL Powered Speakers. After a few practices we have a need for one or two monitors so the band members can hear what is being played a little better. I have two brand new speakers that are the perfect size but they are not powered and they only have two terminals to connect the speaker wire to. I can make a cable With a 1/4 plug or XLR plug but since the speakers are not powered can I plug into the mixer or plug into the JBL speakers. Thanks and Happy New Year.

banjoak - Posted - 01/01/2020:  17:39:58


since the speakers are not powered can I plug into the mixer or plug into the JBL speakers



You need power amp to drive speakers. The mixer does not provide a powered out. The JBL speakers have no powered out.



So would need another amp to drive the speakers. The input to the monitor amp can come from the mixer, aux out.



 



Should note, that even if seems a DIY way you could fashion for additional speakers to an existing amp output... need to pay attention to load, ohms; and potential damage.



I have two brand new speakers that are the perfect size but they are not powered and they only have two terminals to connect the speaker wire to.



Keep in mind that speakers are not simply via physical size, nor as simple as connecting 2 wires to an amp. Need to understand ratings of speaker and amp. Besides not producing good enough sound, as above, can end up potentially damaging speakers or amp.



 

mattoxh - Posted - 01/02/2020:  05:16:16


Thank you for the reply. I do have a small guitar amp I can use. I certainly do not want to fry my new system.
Happy New Year

banjohood - Posted - 01/03/2020:  10:21:39


You made a good choice. The all-in-one travel systems are nice at first, until something breaks. Having separate components with universal connectors is much better, so if something breaks you're not out a whole system. That's my issue with Bose, everything is proprietary and difficult to repair.

FWIW I also have a Soundcraft mixer that has gigged hundreds of times over 10 years and never had an issue.

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