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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Banjo players in New Orleans


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Boogie Bogen - Posted - 06/06/2019:  14:13:51


I'm going to trad jazz camp at the end of June! Evening and weekends I'll be looking for banjo performances.

I've already marked on my Calendar: Carl Leblanc, Don Vappie, Lee Floyd, Shotgun Jazz Band.
I might get to catch them all!!
Anyone else I should look for while I'm there??

Greg72 - Posted - 06/06/2019:  15:14:32


You have a great list already. Tuba Skinny would be near the top of the list for me. I have been trying to get down there to see them for a long time. Wednesday nights at the Starlite and Saturday nights at the DBA. Although i believe they are headed to France sometime this summer.



Enjoy your trip and camp!


Edited by - Greg72 on 06/06/2019 15:17:14

Fathand - Posted - 06/06/2019:  21:29:09


When I was there, there was a regular band with banjo in Fritzel's European Jazz Pub, 733 Bourbon St.

rfink1913 - Posted - 06/07/2019:  18:56:37


Yeah, Tuba Skinny! Anyone know what kind(s) of banjo they use in that group?

MikeHashem - Posted - 06/08/2019:  07:52:28


6 string guitar banjo.

Greg72 - Posted - 06/08/2019:  15:39:16


I suppose I should have read the topic more carefully. TS isn't exactly a banjo centered group and the tenor banjoist(s) departed years ago. Apologies. I get pretty excited when it comes to NOLA music.

Veerstryngh Thynner - Posted - 06/08/2019:  21:47:58


I like Tuba Skinny enormously. I'd love to jam with those cats, but they never tour Europe, as far as I'm aware.



I'm still of opinion, though, that, judging from TS clips on YouTube, six-string banjo seems largely superfluous, with those two guitar players taking care of all solos and vocals.



There must be hundreds of TS clips available, but all I see that banjo guy doing is just strumming along with the pair of guitarsts. Does he ever take a solo?



Veerstryngh Thynner


Edited by - Veerstryngh Thynner on 06/08/2019 21:50:36

Greg72 - Posted - 06/09/2019:  21:23:05


quote:

Originally posted by Veerstryngh Thynner

I like Tuba Skinny enormously. I'd love to jam with those cats, but they never tour Europe, as far as I'm aware.



They'll be touring in France for the entire month of July.



 tubaskinny.com/schedule



There must be hundreds of TS clips available, but all I see that banjo guy doing is just strumming along with the pair of guitarsts. Does he ever take a solo?



Very seldom, but yes.



 






 

Veerstryngh Thynner - Posted - 06/10/2019:  00:47:49


It's not up to me, of course, to decide Tuba Skinny's line-up. But I do believe that the six-string banjo is TS's weakness. I also think that there's a sonic argument for ditching either the six-string banjo or the two guitarists.



I remember a Trad band, performing at some jazz festival long ago, that had tuba as well as electric bass in their rhythm section. Playing simultaneously all the time. And that just didn't work. At all. Tuba and electric bass consistently in each other's way. Which, of course, had an adverse effect. To put it more bluntly: this really clashed with the band's overall sound. Really notably so, after a while.



I think something akin is at play in Tuba Skinny's string section. My reasoning that one skilled banjo player could easily replace two skilled guitarists, in terms of projection. Yet what's the sense of retaining a six-string banjo that, sonically  and performance-wise, keeps such a low profile, for whatever reason, that it can't even be heard? 



If the pair of guitarists is already doing all vocals and solos, the question is what the added value of a six-string banjo just strumming along would be. So there'd be three choices, logically:



1)  addressing structural inequality of profile, in the TS string section, to the advantage of the banjo player;



2) opting for guitars only;



3) opting for banjo only.



In my eyes, six-string banjo and guitars do not happily gel, in Tuba Skinny. Like tuba and electric bass didn't, when applied simultaneously, in that Trad band of previous example. And that's purely from sonic perspective.



Veerstryngh Thynner

Boogie Bogen - Posted - 06/10/2019:  10:28:35


They are on my radar, but I'm definitely looking for more banjo-centric performances. I'm hoping to catch one of Lee Floyd's solo sets, for example.

I do like Tuba Skinny. I saw them in Woodstock, NY in 2009.
They had one guitarist with them, and a great washboard player.
I recorded it:
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rockyjo - Posted - 06/12/2019:  20:00:01


What’s the trad jazz camp end of June?
Rockyjo

Boogie Bogen - Posted - 06/14/2019:  14:56:33


quote:

Originally posted by rockyjo

What’s the trad jazz camp end of June?

Rockyjo






tradjazzcamp.com

djangonut - Posted - 06/17/2019:  00:12:39


I visited NOLA in April from Leicester UK. Th highlight of my trip was hearing Don Vappie for four hours at his regular Sunday Brunch gig at R'Evolution, the restaurant in the Royal Sonesta Hotel on Bourbon Street where we stayed. I had written to Don and he knew I was coming so he brought his banjo to the session. (Normally he just plays his seven string guitar with bass and clarinet on this gig.) Don did four sets, two on guitar, and the middle two on banjo. He was brilliant. During an interval he came and sat at my table and allowed me to examine his Ome custom tenor bajo with an open back, and no metal tone ring. It had a dark sound which Don says he prefers, rather than the bright sound many of us aim at. His technique and jazz and blues feel make him my top banjo man. And, to boot, he is a kind and courteous human being. His advice. "Never let the music get too far from the dance."

djangonut - Posted - 06/17/2019:  04:48:43


Many of the banjo players that I saw in New Orleans used six string banjos. Don Vappie of course used a tenor banjo, (although on his own album "In Search of King Oliver" Vappie uses a six string, and on some sessions with Wynton Marsalis he uses a six string a la Johnny St. Cyr. in the Jelly Roll Morton transcriptions. But I really love his YouTube playing with Eric Clapton and Marsalis when he uses tenor banjo, especially on "Just a Closer Walk With Thee" and Clapton's "Layla".

At Fritzels, in a quartet of trumpet, banjo, bass and drums, the plectrum banjoist had a great sound. At an interval I spoke to him and asked the make of his instrument. "Peach", he replied. "Peach?" I queried. "Yes. Peach. P-I-E-T-S-C-H. Pietsch!" The penny finally dropped.

There was a fine six string player with the Smokin' Hot Band, playing some excellent single string stuff.

I disagree with Veerstryngh about the string section of Tuba Skinny. Although I did not see the band live, in the YouTube videos I am happy with the sound of two guitars and a six string banjo. The banjo player does take solos. He doesn't seem to use a flat pick, but finger and thumb picks, strumming with his thumb it looks like, but on occasion doing some bluegrass-like solos picking using the length of the neck. Quite unusual. One of the guitarists sings, and the other is a fine soloist. I really enjoy the band. The banjo does feature in the ensembles. And I think the cornet player is slowly metamorphosing herself, in a mystical way, into King Oliver!

Silverbell1 - Posted - 06/20/2019:  19:38:56


quote:

Originally posted by Boogie Bogen

I'm going to trad jazz camp at the end of June! Evening and weekends I'll be looking for banjo performances.



I've already marked on my Calendar: Carl Leblanc, Don Vappie, Lee Floyd, Shotgun Jazz Band.

I might get to catch them all!!

Anyone else I should look for while I'm there??






Don Vappie is amazing. His YouTube video on tenor comping showed up in my feed one day and that got me hooked on tenor!

Boogie Bogen - Posted - 06/25/2019:  23:17:40


Yes I'd love to see Don, hasn't worked out yet. He was backing up a vocalist (playing guitar) tonight but I didn't get out to see it. In fact, I don't think my schedule will allow me to see him this time. Big let down, but a good excuse to come back soon. I did see Carl Leblanc do a set on guitar, and it was fun. I heard at Fritzel's tomorrow there's a Banjo player named Barry. Can't remember the last name, but he is an older fellow....

Helix1 - Posted - 06/29/2019:  13:57:41


1. Do some charcoal drawings while you’re there
2 write some songs in this Genre about your trip to the emerald city
3 have fun boogie


Edited by - Helix1 on 06/29/2019 13:59:58


Boogie Bogen - Posted - 07/01/2019:  16:04:14


Helix1 no time this trip Lar-dog, but good suggestions. This was like a hyper-musical trip, I saw a million concerts a day and met some of the greats.

For anyone considering this camp, do it!!! If you're into 4-string and jazz music at all, this camp is outstanding.
I can not say that enough. I got so much out of it, and in the french quarter was able to see my favorites for free and sit in with some of them too.

I ended up seeing the Fritzel's banjo player with the Pietsch. His name is Barry Foulon. I also got to see Don and play and did couple tunes with him!

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