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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Mounting a Shure 57 mic inside.


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Ron Landis - Posted - 06/03/2019:  08:46:23


I don't care much for the pickups I've heard and have used an internal lavalier mic for years that works okay and has a pretty decent, natural sound. But I met a guy a few years ago who installed a Shure 57 mic to the coordinator rods and had a great live sound. It's actually the Bowtie Gibson that once belonged to Doug Dillard. He had it done in a way it had receptor for an XLR cable mounted into the resonator if I remember. I've always been tempted to do it myself but I don't want to modify the original resonator that was since signed by Dr. Ralph Stanley. I'm hoping to run into a damaged one or a second somewhere I can pick up cheap to try this. Has anyone else tried this?

northernbelle - Posted - 06/03/2019:  09:00:09


Would it be possible to mount a jack inside the flange slot and plug in from the front ala electric guitars?
An L bracket -ish mount clipped or bolted to or around the flange slot?

Aradobanjo - Posted - 06/03/2019:  09:27:22


Hello,

Check with Rudy’s posts in this forum. He has a process to add a SM57 to a Bluegrass banjo. This forum archives pretty quick.

Ron Landis - Posted - 06/03/2019:  10:02:06


There's quite a bit when I search for SM57. Mostly about putting them in open backs. I need to search Rudy's posts? What's Rudy's last name?

raybob - Posted - 06/03/2019:  10:42:44


I forget what his name is, but it's not rudy. That's his id here. He'll probably see this thread before too long.

JAMES GIBB - Posted - 06/03/2019:  11:47:33


Hey Ron, I know this is not really answering your question, but you might want to take a look at the Gold-Tone ABS Dynamic mic. The mounting bracket is literally on or off in seconds so that you can easily move it from one banjo to another. The sensitivity is very similar to the SM57. I plug it into an L.R. Baggs DI pre-amp for tone control. The sound is pretty much exactly the same as the unamplified banjo. Cheers, Jim

mbanza - Posted - 06/03/2019:  16:56:30


Here are results of a search for "sm57 rudy": banjohangout.org/pages/search....ore:forum

rudy - Posted - 06/03/2019:  17:36:45


quote:

Originally posted by Ron Landis

I don't care much for the pickups I've heard and have used an internal lavalier mic for years that works okay and has a pretty decent, natural sound. But I met a guy a few years ago who installed a Shure 57 mic to the coordinator rods and had a great live sound. It's actually the Bowtie Gibson that once belonged to Doug Dillard. He had it done in a way it had receptor for an XLR cable mounted into the resonator if I remember. I've always been tempted to do it myself but I don't want to modify the original resonator that was since signed by Dr. Ralph Stanley. I'm hoping to run into a damaged one or a second somewhere I can pick up cheap to try this. Has anyone else tried this?






Hi Ron, I see I was being conjured... cheeky



I've seen the 57's used many times strapped to a dowel stick or coordinator rods for live banjo amplification.  It's normally seen in open backs, but truthfully that's the only banjos I have experience with.  I know that any time you stick something in a closed or semi-closed cavity it can negatively effect the response of the sound.  In Cajun country it's pretty common to pull the guts of a 57 and mount it to the reed blocks inside an accordion.  It does make for a rather unique live sound, but it's better than some of the options.



The last extensive post I did was for converting a $20 Behringer SM57 clone to a right angle mic to mount on rods or dowel stick.  Here is that topic:



Right angle conversion dynamic mic for banjo use



I can't offer much practical advice for resonator banjos, but if you want to pick up one of the Behringer mics and simply strap it on your rods I can tell you it's a great dynamic for $20 shipping included.  It's built well and sounds really similar to a SM57.  I couldn't tell much difference side by side when I plugged them into my PA.



If you know how to solder or can get a friend to help you could unsolder the end from a short XLR cable and run it through the flange openings, re-solder, and play around with it that way.  A lot of the time the problem is there's just not that much room in there...



You could also use a small inexpensive pencil condenser mic if you have phantom power available.  They are much shorter in length.



I have mentioned in the past that I'm working on a new type of pickup assembly, so hopefully I'll have some details on that front if I ever end up getting the "free time" to wind the coils!

frenchlizard - Posted - 06/04/2019:  05:23:51


i use a sure 57 in my stelling bellflower it works great! duct taped between rods inside head toward neck xlr short cable on both ends you'll have to unsolder one end and slide it between those fancy holes there and resolder.not that hard to do. use a bit of good adhesives velcro to hold that end in place when not in use. i play on stage bout every weekend thru my guitar amp as loud as i want it has never had any feed back best move i ever made! have fun and keep on pickin!

Ron Landis - Posted - 06/04/2019:  13:52:14


Thank you for the input everyone! I hadn't thought of just hanging the XLR cable out of a flange hole. That will work well to experiment with the 57. I didn't think there would much problem with feedback.
Eventually I'll buy a new resonator cover and I can mount an XLR connection along with an on/off switch for my internal lighting effect. For now, If I want to use my internal lights, I have to remove the resonator and turn them on. It's a gimmicky kind of thing, but it really looks pretty cool on stage with different colored lights fading from one color to another. But I have to leave them on and turn them off at the end of the set when I can remove the resonator. A switch will give me the option of turning it on just now and then or selecting color options. Eventually, I want to figure out a smoke effect that will be part of a 'hot picking' gag. Hey, If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, you gotta baffle them with BS. :-)

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