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Bart Veerman - Posted - 01/16/2016:  15:30:04


I need a head that is a bit thinner, but not as thin as a clear head, than the 5 Star frosted one that's on the banjo now.



Would anyone have a handy reference chart or perhaps the numbers to fill in for the common ones, preferably new heads so we know what to expect when we buy them:



Thanks for the updates, they're entered in the table now














































Head: Thickness
5 Star clear 0075
5 Star frosted 014
Remo frosted 010
Remo clear  
Renaissance  
Fiberskin 015
AMB frosted  
other?  
other?  


 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



Thanks so much,



Bart.



Edited by - Bart Veerman on 01/18/2016 08:04:17

RioStat - Posted - 01/16/2016:  15:46:27


quote:

Originally posted by Bart Veerman

 

I need a head that is a bit thinner, but not as thin as a clear head, than the 5 Star frosted one that's on the banjo now.




Would anyone have a handy reference chart or perhaps the numbers to fill in for the common ones:















































Head: Thickness
5 Star clear  
5 Star frosted  
Remo frosted  .010" / .25mm
Remo clear  
Renaissance  
Fiberskin  
AMB frosted  
other?  
   



 




 




 




 




 




 




 




 




 




Thanks so much,




Bart.







Just happened to have a busted, top-frosted Remo laying on the workbench.It's one of those "wagon-wheel" logo Remos



Measured with Mitotoyu digital calipers.


Fathand - Posted - 01/17/2016:  07:07:13


My understanding is that 5 Star are Ludwig and Ludwig are thicker than Remo.



 


Banjophobic - Posted - 01/17/2016:  07:54:45


I don't have a chart for those thickness Bart, but I do know that Ludwig heads without frosting are a couple thousandths thicker than a Remo. If I get a chance I will measure some heads and send that info to you


Zachary Hoyt - Posted - 01/17/2016:  10:23:45


I seem to recall having read that a Renaissance is .008" but my mind is a mess so that may actually be the measurement of something else.  I can't even remember where I think I read that.

Zach



 


Zachary Hoyt - Posted - 01/17/2016:  10:25:58


I found the reference on Smakula.com, and he also lists a few other head thicknesses there too.  

Zach


Dan Drabek - Posted - 01/17/2016:  12:08:08


 



I can't guarantee the accuracy of my readings, but with my Starrett micrometer I get the following on unmounted heads I happen to have"



Fiberskyn --.015"



Renaissance --.008"



5-star Top Frosted -- .014"



5-star Clear -- .0075"



DD


Ken LeVan - Posted - 01/17/2016:  14:10:18


I like the amber ones, which seem thinner than frosted ones to me. Of course, I would guess that a clear REMO would be the thinnest.



I don't have a mike, so I can't measure one, although I have many in the shop.



Bart, just out of curiosity, why do want a thinner head?  Lacquer thinner will completely remove the coating from any head, reducing it to a "clear" one.  That's the way we did it back in the 60s when the only heads available were the REMO Weather King ones.


Bart Veerman - Posted - 01/18/2016:  08:18:26


quote:

Originally posted by Ken LeVan

 

I like the amber ones, which seem thinner than frosted ones to me. Of course, I would guess that a clear REMO would be the thinnest.




I don't have a mike, so I can't measure one, although I have many in the shop.




Bart, just out of curiosity, why do want a thinner head?  Lacquer thinner will completely remove the coating from any head, reducing it to a "clear" one.  That's the way we did it back in the 60s when the only heads available were the REMO Weather King ones.







 



The uncoated, or clear, heads are too thin for this banjo Ken, I need it a little thicker and would like to find out what my options are. The 5 Stars are just too thick these days to my liking. I know changing a head is not an all-day job but it's time consuming enough for me to consider it a PIA so a chart like this is going to be helpful for me. My memory cells can use a bit of help these days and would really appreciate a chart like this.



Hadn't heard about the lacquer thinner trick but I remember using acetone to remove the fiberskin coating leaving a clear head without any problems.


Dan Drabek - Posted - 01/18/2016:  08:34:45


I cleaned the coating off a few heads back in the day. I remember it took at least an hour of scrubbing with lacquer thinner, breathing the fumes, to get it all off. But the result was a snappy head that was transluscent rather than transparent with a less-glossy finish. I can't stand the looks of a shiny water-clear head, and I think that's what's under the frosting on current 5-star heads.



Bart, I haven't tried one yet, but I would check out the newest Remo "cloudy" heads. I think they may be close to the look of the old, stripped-down frosted heads, without all the work. From the description, they sound like they may be a little thicker (less bright) than the clear heads. And to my eye, better looking. Might be just what you are looking for. 



DD


Weitzel - Posted - 01/18/2016:  19:25:19


I remember doing a bit of similar research on this a couple of years ago and found the Remo clear was .0075". I just took a measurement of mine and confirmed this, too. The Remo site has information on all of their drum heads and I believe the Diplomat model is the same material that is used for the banjo heads. Diplomat comes in frosted, clear and Fiberskyn.


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