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Pete Peterson - Posted - 02/28/2011:  11:54:54



Now you know what Walt and Clare have been doing these last couple years:

AVONDALE, PA, USA – FEB. 28, 2011- The Milliner-Koken Collection of American Fiddle Tunes is here!

Ordering: mkfiddletunes.com

This is an essential resource for anyone interested in old-time American fiddle tunes. Fiddlers and folk musicians of all stripes will welcome the 1400-plus transcriptions of American fiddle tunes presented by skilled proponents of old-time fiddle and banjo Clare Milliner and Walt Koken.

This monumental heirloom edition is an invaluable work for fiddlers and other old-time melody-players who want to dig deep into the earliest documentations of these magnificent American fiddle tunes. The product of Clare Milliner’s 20 years of transcription work, the collection has been augmented by the ear and experience of the legendary Walt Koken, of Highwoods String Band fame.

While drawing primarily from Appalachian sources, this groundbreaking and important work provides wonderful tunes from every part of the U.S. and from Canada.

The collection contains tunes played by 347 old-time fiddlers and bands, including such greats as Marcus Martin, Tommy Jarrell, Ed Haley, J.P. Fraley, Lyman Enloe, Jehile Kirkhuff, Kenny Baker, and Edden Hammons, to name just a few. The majority of the fiddlers represented were born before 1900.

A must-have for libraries’ music reference collections, the Milliner-Koken Collection is an essential resource for musicians who are looking for ways to capture the spirit of the old-time tunes. The comments and artists’ index also provide useful background for those interested in American old-time fiddle tunes.
mkfiddletunes.com

Particulars:

1404 tunes in musical engravings, arranged alphabetically in 741 pages
Ten page introduction with explanations and examples
888 pages total

Main index arranged by title, with references to source recordings and cross references to similar tunes and titles
Key index arranged alphabetically by key. Tuning index arranged alphabetically by fiddle tuning
Artist index arranged alphabetically by fiddler, showing what tunes are included by that artist
Artist profiles section with brief bios of the 347 fiddlers/bands represented in the book.
Also a comments section with interesting information about the tunes and fiddlers
Oversize format, easy to read
Cloth, hard bound cover in sewn signatures
Red satin ribbon bookmark
Lies flat when open
Library/heirloom quality

Mudthumper Music, Walt Koken, Clare Milliner, Milliner-Koken Collection of American Fiddle Tunes, old-time fiddle tunes

CONTACT:
Walt Koken:
wkoken comcast
Mudthumper Music
Box 791
Kennett Square PA 19348
mudthumper.com
Ordering: mkfiddletunes.com

Pete Peterson - Posted - 02/28/2011:  11:56:17


As a banjo player who can't play the fiddle-- this is a wonderful way to learn new tunes and make them into YOUR tune. Very little knowledge of reading music is necessary-- and you'll get better quickly!

mralston - Posted - 02/28/2011:  12:43:28


Congrats to Clare & Walt for getting their labor of love to press ! ! ! !

stevel - Posted - 02/28/2011:  13:05:19


Wow.... what a treasure trove of tunage!

i gotta save some beans for this one...

thx!

Mark Johnson - Posted - 02/28/2011:  13:49:12


hot dang that makes me wish I could sight read a lot quicker. at 1400+ tunes I'm not even sure where I'd start...

now they need to come out with the box set recordings to go with it.


Edited by - Mark Johnson on 02/28/2011 13:49:39

Pete Peterson - Posted - 02/28/2011:  13:56:47


Mark-- (and others) the thing that makes this collection unique and especially valuable is that the transcriptions are all of source recordings. You probably have a lot of them in your collection already. And if that is not sufficient, Clare and Walt have rented a booth at Clifftop 2011 where they intend to play through ALL of the tunes in alphabetical order. . .

clawhammermike - Posted - 02/28/2011:  14:47:05


amazing! I am so glad they completed this massive project.

banjoholic - Posted - 02/28/2011:  14:59:26


This looks fantastic. Pricey, but certainly seems worth it for the fiddle tune fan. Anyone have a copy yet?

Josh
oldtimejam.com

GSCarson - Posted - 02/28/2011:  16:02:37


I had a chance to check out my buddy Brian's early copy last week right after he picked one up from Walt and Clare, it is an amazing piece of work and they are to be commended. Very high quality publication and content, and obviously a long time labor of love. I am among the worlds worst as an interpreter of written music, but I will be getting this book as soon as I have a chance, it is a treasure. Glenn C.

banjered - Posted - 02/28/2011:  16:41:10


Anybody else get this when they hit the link?

Safari can’t open the page.
Too many redirects occurred trying to openThis might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another page which then is redirected to open the original page.

mralston - Posted - 02/28/2011:  16:43:20


try this one:

four51.com/UI/Customer.aspx?p=...b6006990e

banjo_brad - Posted - 02/28/2011:  17:21:37


I've put in a request for my local public library to order the book.

-B-

banjered - Posted - 02/28/2011:  17:26:49


Same nowhere with the four51....link. It's a plot, I just know it. The NWO is going after banjos now, there is not much time left..... Yo! Banjered

J-Walk - Posted - 02/28/2011:  18:35:41


Hopefully, this book will be available at the normal bookseller sites, such as Amazon. It would be a shame if it were available from a single source that nobody has ever heard of -- and some people can't even access.

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 02/28/2011:  20:11:50


I am anxiously awaiting my copy. I've been told that the book weighed more than originally anticipated, and so the packaging materials are holding up the shipment to me.

I think the book is reasonably priced considering the content. Fiction best sellers can cost about $ 30, so $ 90 for this treasure is certainly not excessive.

A great big thank you to Clare and Walt for getting the job done (in less than 25 years, perhaps), but it is now finished and what a treasure it will be to all who own it.


Edited by - BANJOJUDY on 02/28/2011 20:12:41

RG - Posted - 03/01/2011:  01:10:42


A fiddler's question, but any bowing notes for the transcriptions??

LyleK - Posted - 03/01/2011:  04:34:51


Quick question for anyone who has seen the actual print. The "page 1 preview" on the web-page doesn't show any vertical dividing lines for measures. The "A," "B," and "C" parts are each displaying as a single measure. Is that an artifact of the on-line view specific to the two computers I've used to view the page? And if not, are the measure dividers in the actual print version? If there's a problem with the display someone should tip off Claire and Walt so they can at least put a disclaimer on the page that measure dividers are shown in the actual text.

Looks like an absolute treasure trove, but I'd hate to have to figure out where the measures are.

banjoholic - Posted - 03/01/2011:  04:57:25


quote:
Originally posted by LyleK

Quick question for anyone who has seen the actual print. The "page 1 preview" on the web-page doesn't show any vertical dividing lines for measures. The "A," "B," and "C" parts are each displaying as a single measure. Is that an artifact of the on-line view specific to the two computers I've used to view the page? And if not, are the measure dividers in the actual print version? If there's a problem with the display someone should tip off Claire and Walt so they can at least put a disclaimer on the page that measure dividers are shown in the actual text.

Looks like an absolute treasure trove, but I'd hate to have to figure out where the measures are.



Hmm..that is a little puzzling. There also isn't a time signature given on that sample. Hopefully someone who has seen a copy can clarify?

Pete Peterson - Posted - 03/01/2011:  07:41:37



Lyle: You're right; there are no bar lines. This was a deliberate choice and the reason is explained in detail in their very extensive introduction, starting on page v. In their notation, "the steady beat of the tune is apparent because the notes of any one beat are beamed (connected by a beam across the ends of the note stems, or is a quarter note (one beat). " Speaking personally, it took me very little time to get used to this. As they also say in their introduction, the lack of bar lines makes the notation of crooked tunes much easier.

RG: No bowing notation. Their belief is that if you get the notes right, you will be guided, "as if by an invisible hand" to bow it the same way the fiddler did. Not playing the fiddle myself, I am unqualified to comment.

LyleK - Posted - 03/01/2011:  08:29:31


quote:
Originally posted by Pete Peterson
Speaking personally, it took me very little time to get used to this. As they also say in their introduction, the lack of bar lines makes the notation of crooked tunes much easier.
Thanks Pete for the further info. While the lack of bar lines may make it easier to write crooked tunes, I'm not sure it makes it easier to read them. And then there's the issue of pick-up notes, which seem like they could lost in the shuffle (intentional double entendre).


Edited by - LyleK on 03/01/2011 08:30:31

banjoholic - Posted - 03/01/2011:  09:08:37


Pete - are there time signatures? If not, what are they using to convey meter?

stevesg - Posted - 03/01/2011:  09:46:00


The usefulness of "standard" notation to represent traditional music has been a point of controversy for at least 150 years, especially in the case of a solo singer or instrumentalist. Standard notation co-evolved with early European liturgical traditions and later "classical" music traditions. While powerful as a roadmap, it would be useless without the simultaneous evolution of classical music pedagogical tradition- a mixed literate-aural-oral tradition which is unbroken over more than four centuries.

imho, standard notation (and its late 20th century extensions by Cage, Roger Reynolds, Xenakis, Boulez and the IRCAM folks, etc) is not up to the task of representing traditional music. Luckily, we have recordings and imaginative transcribers...

buy the book!!!

s.


Edited by - stevesg on 03/01/2011 09:54:17

Pete Peterson - Posted - 03/01/2011:  11:00:32


Banjoholic-- No time signatures. Their solution was to use "beams" -- connect four sixteenth notes, or an eighth note and two sixteenth notes with a single (or double) horizontal line across the top.
An awful lot of the waltzes are called XX Waltz. (starting with the Alexander Waltz)

Lylek-- they DO use pickup notes, followed by a double vertical line to indicate the start of the A part, and another line to separate A and B parts.

Stevesq-- yes, musical notation is inadequate. Somewhere in Peggy Seeger's reminiscences she talks about remembering her mother (Ruth Crawford Seeger) listening for hours trying to decide whether the ballad singer was singing a C or C# and what to write down.

Walt and Clare spend about 10 pages in their Introduction discussing their choices for notation and their reasons for making them; anything I can say in a paragraph is badly incomplete. What I DO keep saying is that I got used to their notation fairly quickly.

Viper - Posted - 03/03/2011:  11:18:29


Walt answered some of my questions in my write-up about the book: glorybeamingbanjo.blogspot.com...ican.html

Don Borchelt - Posted - 03/05/2011:  06:50:14


My copy arrived yesterday. A great resource. I will use it like all the other collections I have, as a back up to listening to a recorded source. Especially with some of the field recordings from the Digital Library of Appalachia and similar sources, it is not always possible to hear everything distinctly; a back up reference like this is a great help. I have found Titon's book to be useful in that regard, and I expect that this one, with over 1,400 transcriptions, will be invaluable. When I work up a tune on the banjo, I very deliberately do not try to play all of the fiddle notes, but I like to know what they are, just the same.

I have been meaning to learn Tommy Jarrell's unusual Sally Ann, in the Key of D, for some time, it's a favorite of a friend of mine, and right now I just fake it. It's on page 573.

- Don Borchelt


Edited by - Don Borchelt on 03/05/2011 06:51:57

Ron Ortegel - Posted - 03/07/2011:  13:33:07


It looks like a valuable resource.

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 03/07/2011:  14:12:31


So exciting - my copy arrived today.

I am going to see how Claire and Walt's version differs from my
play by ear version of some of the familiar tunes, and proceed to the unknowns eventually.

Great publication. I think it is a "must have" for anyone interested in old time music.

Bill Rogers - Posted - 03/07/2011:  14:43:57


I await mine.

carlb - Posted - 03/08/2011:  06:07:46


quote:
Originally posted by Pete Peterson

And if that is not sufficient, Clare and Walt have rented a booth at Clifftop 2011 where they intend to play through ALL of the tunes in alphabetical order. . .



1404 tunes at 2 minutes/tune for 24 hours a day = two days. At playing for only 8 hours a day, it'll take them just under six days.

arnie - Posted - 03/08/2011:  07:16:49


I haven't been a reader of music, but I'll be getting that book

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 03/08/2011:  08:17:36


quote:
Originally posted by carlb

quote:
Originally posted by Pete Peterson

And if that is not sufficient, Clare and Walt have rented a booth at Clifftop 2011 where they intend to play through ALL of the tunes in alphabetical order. . .



1404 tunes at 2 minutes/tune for 24 hours a day = two days. At playing for only 8 hours a day, it'll take them just under six days.



So, is anyone volunteering to tape that marathon? Video tape - not just record the 8 days of playing.

Claire and Walt are fun to watch - they move in sync and bounce a bit when they play....

Juy

mralston - Posted - 03/08/2011:  12:43:52


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Pete Peterson

And if that is not sufficient, Clare and Walt have rented a booth at Clifftop 2011 where they intend to play through ALL of the tunes in alphabetical order. . .

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I heard a rumor, and it may not necessarily be true, that they're going to play all the "G" tunes first ! ! I'm going to get my copy of Fiddle Tunes at Clifftop.

Pete Peterson - Posted - 03/15/2011:  07:13:12


Clare and Walt have been discussing the logistics of the marathon. They made the same calculations as Carl and will probably play, they say, for 10 hours a day, allowing time for short breaks and possible recess for competitions. Kellie Allen and I are going to help whenever possible; I will have two banjos along one for C/D and other for G/A tunes. (There are a couple tunes in F and Bb and "Babe" is in Eb, but we'll take them when we get to them)

For tunes beginning with the letter "A" nine are in D, eight in G, four in A modal, three in C, one in A and one in F.

Judy-- come to Clifftop and help!

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 03/15/2011:  09:06:18


quote:
Originally posted by Pete Peterson

Clare and Walt have been discussing the logistics of the marathon. They made the same calculations as Carl and will probably play, they say, for 10 hours a day, allowing time for short breaks and possible recess for competitions. Kellie Allen and I are going to help whenever possible; I will have two banjos along one for C/D and other for G/A tunes. (There are a couple tunes in F and Bb and "Babe" is in Eb, but we'll take them when we get to them)

For tunes beginning with the letter "A" nine are in D, eight in G, four in A modal, three in C, one in A and one in F.

Judy-- come to Clifftop and help!



The book is fantastic!

You know I would come to Clifftop if hubby were not so orthopedically challenged. Looks like the right hip needs replacement, and the spine needs to be Roto Rootered - so, no Clifftop for us, but I'll be there in spirit, for sure.

Love to the 4 of you Super Duper Tones.

Ron Ortegel - Posted - 03/15/2011:  12:24:36


I see that Elderly now has it for sale.

gailg64 - Posted - 04/12/2011:  13:17:15



Be still my beating heart! I've recently ordered mine & will be obsessively checking the "tracking" to see when the tome will get to our house. The time signature & measure thing doesn't bother me much since I only read hen scratches & flyspecks in a rudimentary sort of way. My planned use for the book is to get a grasp of the 10 to 15 percent of a tune that inevitably flummoxes me when learning a piece by ear from a recording. Since the elusive phrases are inevitably crucial parts of the tune, I look forward to getting the notes of my old favorites closer to "right." G


quote:


Originally posted by BANJOJUDY



So exciting - my copy arrived today.



I am going to see how Claire and Walt's version differs from my

play by ear version of some of the familiar tunes, and proceed to the unknowns eventually.



Great publication. I think it is a "must have" for anyone interested in old time music.



atleson - Posted - 04/12/2011:  16:05:10



I have had a copy of the book for some weeks now, and it is a fantastic resource.  Everyone should have a copy, despite the price, since such a supreme effort is unlikely to be repeated.  My music reading is rudimentary, and i have yet to get past "every good boy does finely" and "face," but it's coming faster every day.



congratulations to Claire and Walt for such a valuable book.



jim



PS:  playing every tune at Clifftop won't leave much time for regular jamming--boo, hoo.


beenjammin - Posted - 04/13/2011:  07:05:20



there needs to be a subsidy program set up for them so that us poor folk can afford a copy!  that or he should have moved to canada where he could apply and actually receive funding for all this.   i'll be patiently building up the change jar on this one.


Malcolm - Posted - 05/07/2011:  11:45:27



Beenjammin:  I understand that the cost is a lot of dough.  But consider 1404 tunes, plus access to original sources, and that you are helping a couple of great musicians.  Also, understand that they applied TWICE to our country's National Endowment for the Arts (who is supposed to be designed to support such projects and were turned down, even when a former judge from the program helped them craft an application).  Unfortunately, unlike Canada, our government does not cherish the music of FOLK.



On another note, look for the Summer issue of Sing Out magazine for a feature story I wrote about Walt's incredible career and the making of this volume.  It will include some samples and if you get the CD they send out it will have some audio samples.  


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 05/07/2011:  12:06:42



quote:


Originally posted by beenjammin




there needs to be a subsidy program set up for them so that us poor folk can afford a copy!  that or he should have moved to canada where he could apply and actually receive funding for all this.   i'll be patiently building up the change jar on this one.






This book is a bargain at $ 100!  Seriously - look at the # of tunes you get for that price! 



If you go to Costco, you can purchase the latest best seller for about $ 20 - on sale - and you'll only read it once!  Tell me you are going to only read this book 5 times (5 * 20 = $100) and you'll understand what a great deal it is for the price. 



Another way of looking at this - How many instruction books and tapes do you own?  How many tunes are there if you add them all up?  How much did you pay for all those books?



The best things in life might not always be free - time to start cashing in those glass bottles, beer cans at the recycling plant.



 



 



Judy


beenjammin - Posted - 05/07/2011:  20:45:17



Malcolm and Banjojudy-



 



I didn't intend to be disrespectful in any way, maybe it came across as a complaint or whining, I didn't mean it to be.  of course 100 bucks is a steal for what you get, doesn't mean I can afford it any more though. I don't need to be sold on its value, trust me the nickels and dimes are adding up.



 



on a side note, the canadian government is spiraling downward on that whole caring about art thing...the recent majority conservative win has put a lot of funding groups in jeopardy...but anyways, I think I should have taken more care in posting, sorry if that annoyed anyone.


RWJones1970 - Posted - 05/13/2011:  09:51:15


Now if we could them to play and record each tune 3 times through and produce an archive of cd's to correspond with that book of fiddle tunes. That's not asking much is it?

Pete Peterson - Posted - 05/13/2011:  11:18:13



Well. . .come to Clifftop! Clare has taken a Vow to play through each tune starting at "Abe's Retreat" and on through "Young Edward". . . others are setting up to record that.



  But an even BETTER idea is to use the list of source recordings given in the book (pages 823-873) and hear how the fiddler played it. Clare and Walt would be the first to tell you "LISTEN TO THE SOURCE!"


RWJones1970 - Posted - 05/13/2011:  11:37:34


What a treat that would be. It must be quite a festival there. I would want to be everywhere at all at once!!!

Pete Peterson - Posted - 05/13/2011:  11:42:16



You said it. I have never been at Clifftop without wanting to be in at least five places at the same time. And I begrudge time wasted sleeping, eating, showering (when water is available) . . .so many tunes, so little time!


RWJones1970 - Posted - 06/23/2011:  15:49:53


I have been listening to "Just Tunes" every morning on the way to the nuclear plant. When you listen intently to an album over and over you become so intrigued and overwhelmed. I mean these two have amazing chemistry in the way they sound together and compliment eachother's playing, like Alan Jabbour& Ken Perlman. I hope Walt and Claire plan on recording some of their tunes at Clifftop and possibly release "Just Tunes 2".....I would buy that in a heartbeat.


Edited by - RWJones1970 on 06/23/2011 16:00:17

Pete Peterson - Posted - 06/30/2011:  12:48:34


Allan J and Ken P are not in love with each other. (I don't think) Walt and Clare are (they are the second couple in the Orpheus Supertones) and I think that adds an extra level of communication and chemistry.

ScottK - Posted - 06/30/2011:  14:40:02





Well. . .come to Clifftop! Clare has taken a Vow to play through each tune starting at "Abe's Retreat" and on through "Young Edward". . . others are setting up to record that.



But an even BETTER idea is to use the list of source recordings given in the book (pages 823-873) and hear how the fiddler played it. Clare and Walt would be the first to tell you "LISTEN TO THE SOURCE!" 





Larry Warren (devilsbox over on FHO) just made listening to the source recordings a lot easier:



slippery-hill.com/M-K/ 



But if Clare and Walt (and presumably friends) want to offer recordings of their Cifftop marathon for sale, sign me up in advance!  I bought a copy of the book and agree with all the positive comments it has received here.  And Just Tunes is a favorite recording in my old time collection!



Cheers, Scott


Viper - Posted - 06/30/2011:  19:21:16



quote:


Originally posted by ScottK

Larry Warren (devilsbox over on FHO) just made listening to the source recordings a lot easier:


slippery-hill.com/M-K/ 



But if Clare and Walt (and presumably friends) want to offer recordings of their Cifftop marathon for sale, sign me up in advance!  I bought a copy of the book and agree with all the positive comments it has received here.  And Just Tunes is a favorite recording in my old time collection!



Cheers, Scott






Can I second that? How many CDs do you think that'd take up? 



Thanks to the link to the source material!


RWJones1970 - Posted - 07/03/2011:  17:40:49


"Listen to the source!"
slippery-hill.com/M-K/

That's great advice. Thank you so much for this link!!!

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