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picalot - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:09:11

On the Ralph Stanely version of Katie Daly please tell what is the world after: With her old man she came from ????????????????????

Richard Dress - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:18:57

It sounds like "Tamparary".

picalot - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:25:29

I just dont know what the heck tamparary is? I guess it doesnt matter but I like to know what I am singing about.

tcgreiner - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:31:19

It is Tipperary. It is a county in Ireland.

Richard Dress - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:32:53

This is all I know. I also would like to know what the writer's actual lyrics were.

Paul “Moon” Mullins (a one-time fiddler for the Stanley Brothers) wrote this song in 1962. It is credited to him at BMI under the name William J. Mullins for the title “Katie Daley”. The song was based on the old Irish drinking song “Come Down the Mountain Katie Daley” that his wife found in a songbook. (Tombstone, Arizona public records show a Katie Daley married Frank Heban 30 August 1882.) Ralph Stanley & the Clinch Mountain Boys released this version of the song on a 45 rpm single for Rebel Recording Company in 1971 and for their 1971 Rebel Recording Company album Something Old Something New and Some of Katy’s Mountain Dew (Rebel Records reissued it for the 1991 Ralph Stanley album Bound To Ride and for the 1995 box set Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys: 1971-1973; and Audium Entertainment also reissued the song for the 2002 album The Very Best of Ralph Stanley). Ralph Stanley recorded the song again for the 1992 Atteiram Records album Rickie Lee With Ralph Stanley & the Clinch Mountain Boys With the Late Roy Lee Centers: Live At the Smithsonian Institution (CRF Recordings released the song with basically the same material as the Smithsonian album for the 1995 album Classic Mountain Music and for the 1998 album Classic Stanley; King Records also released the song on the 2002 Ralph Stanley album Live At the Smithsonian). Among other srtists, the Bluegrass Playboys released this song on a Briar Records 45 rpm single under the title “Katie Daley” in 1962 Briar Records reissued it for the 1962 Bluegrass Playboys album The World of Bluegrass), the New Coon Creek Girls released it for their 1983 RCM label album How Many Biscuits Can You Eat, the Blades of Grass released it for their 1987 Heritage Records album Steam Engine Train, the Lonesome River Band released it for their 1996 Sugar Hill Records album One Step Forward, Ralph Stanley II released it for his 1999 Rebel Records album Listen To My Hammer Ring, and the David Thom Band released it for their 2000 Swollen label album Plays Bluegrass.

Richard Dress - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:35:39

"It is Tipperary. It is a county in Ireland."

Right, but how can you know that was the original word?

picalot - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:44:54

Thanks for all the helpfull info.

prolife101 - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:50:16

ooooooo tension!

prolife101 - Posted - 02/26/2010:  10:50:50

that is a tricky one I always mumble.

picalot - Posted - 02/26/2010:  11:03:21

The mumble does seem to work well sometimes. I use it fairly often.

Pepper Laing - Posted - 02/26/2010:  11:47:44

What else would it be besides Tipperary, it`s an irish themed drinkin song, tipperary is used in lot`s of irish tunes, and irish named pubs etc...makes perfect sense to me.

picalot - Posted - 02/26/2010:  11:57:34

Im mot Irish so I didnt have a clue.

stringBob - Posted - 02/26/2010:  12:04:39

One source confirms Tipperary


Richard Dress - Posted - 02/26/2010:  12:11:08

"What else would it be besides Tipperary"

I have no idea. But I do know that what seems logical to you and me may not be that way to the singer or the songwriter. I have learned the hard way that filling in the blanks using logic is very often wrong when it comes to bluegrass lyrics.

BTW, what does it mean when you filistrate a girl? That's the lyric to a famous Emerson & Waldron song.

stanleytone - Posted - 02/26/2010:  14:18:03

Originally posted by Richard Dress

It sounds like "Tamparary".

i just now slowed it down and it sure sounds like roy lee centers is saying" tamparary",
but that could be just his thick mountain drawl comin out
i also googled tamparary and temporary and didnt get any results for towns of thhose names
there are a few tipperarys in the USA so maybe its one of those,if not ireland
anyway id go with tipperary
heck, i like"with her old man she came from new york city!"

RenoStyles - Posted - 02/26/2010:  23:25:29

Maybe she came from Tampa. But not very often.

Of course it's Tipperary!

Richard Dress - Posted - 02/27/2010:  06:52:55

"Of course it's Tipperary!"

I'll buy that if you can also tell me what 'filistrate' means.

livluvgrow - Posted - 02/27/2010:  07:03:40

[D ]Come down the[A] mountain, Katie[D] Daly,
Come down from the mountain, Katie [A]do,
Can't you hear us calling, Katie [A7] Daly,
We want to drink, your Irish mountain [D] dew oo-oo

But her old man Katie, came from Tipperary,
In the pioneering year, of forty-two,
Her old man, he was shot in Tombstone city,
For the making of the Irish mountain dew,

Chesapeake - Posted - 02/27/2010:  07:24:12

For anyone trying to search this, the spelling (on the Ralph Stanley version) is Katy Daley.

livluvgrow - Posted - 02/27/2010:  07:46:44

link to Stanley version

Ks_5-picker - Posted - 02/27/2010:  07:52:31

Originally posted by livluvgrow

link to Stanley version

Those word lyric sites are always someones interpretation of what the singer is saying. In this case I think they are accurate,but I don't think they are 100% of the time.
But more novels on the subject. Cut and paste is just too durned easy,ain't it?

5th string nut - Posted - 02/27/2010:  10:19:15

Even if the reference is to 'Tipperary' - which does make the most sense to me - that is no reason to believe that, on the recording, the word is being pronounced as 'Tipperary', regardless of whether the singer was or was not aware that the reference was to Tipperary. It could very well simply be a case analogous to 'Jerdan' being sung in place of 'Jordan' in some old Carter Family songs. Or, it could be more extreme than that (to use another example from the Carter Family), more along the lines of 'the pale and the leader' being sung in place of 'the pale arognatus' in the first verse of 'Wildwood Flower', no doubt due to unfamiliarity with the name of the flower in question.

Happy Pickin',


Pepper Laing - Posted - 02/27/2010:  11:01:19

Filistrate is a region in france, kind of like tipperary is in irland, but are you sure of that spelling. Philostrate has to do with shakespere and a Philostrate is some authority whom I think basicly censors, and in shakesperes case, goes over plays to make sure they are ok with the laws. Shakespere suggests to the Philstrates to read over a bunch of stupid plays to mess with them. Or you know to fill a straight? just kidding I have no idea.

Pepper Laing - Posted - 02/27/2010:  11:03:29

Oh and I have lots of Irish freinds and that`s what they say, Tipperary, they love that tune because of that.

RenoStyles - Posted - 02/28/2010:  03:04:53

Originally posted by Richard Dress

"Of course it's Tipperary!"

I'll buy that if you can also tell me what 'filistrate' means.


According to Wikipedia....
"Philostrate is the Master of Revels at Theseus' court in William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream (1596)."

...not sure how helpful that is, though.

Richard Dress - Posted - 02/28/2010:  06:30:15

No that's not it. In the song "Fox on the Run" it is used as a verb.

El Dobro - Posted - 02/28/2010:  08:14:39

Originally posted by Richard Dress

"Of course it's Tipperary!"

I'll buy that if you can also tell me what 'filistrate' means.

The correct word for the song is "illustrate".

mike gregory - Posted - 02/28/2010:  10:03:15

Phyllis Drate is Katie Daly's second cousin, twice removed.
Once by the County Sherriff, for Public Intoxication,
And once by the Musical Purity Police, for boiling them cabbage UP.

prolife101 - Posted - 03/06/2010:  14:00:47


Richard Dress - Posted - 03/06/2010:  17:07:40

Bluegrass Unlimited explained filistrate in the latest issue. So that is cleared up.

dgill - Posted - 03/07/2010:  08:14:21

Mike Gregory, you are a bird. I have read your posts and laughed so many times that I had to offer my description of you. IE: "a bird" someone that has an oversized funny bone and please others by sharing his witty thoughts with others.
When I grow up I want to be just like you.

oldplayer - Posted - 03/07/2010:  14:51:52

Richard - Cliff Waldron made that word up with Bill Emerson's full knowledge

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