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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Can someone give me a few tips on Celtic 4 string


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mjmckeon - Posted - 04/30/2009:  08:23:15


Hi folks,
My daughter walked out of her Celtic fiddle lesson last night with a banjo her teacher lent her. I'm a 5 string Scruggs style player so I can't help much. She is an excellent musician and is already picking out tunes on it so she really just needs advice on what "bad" habits to avoid.

Thanks

Mike


What a life a mess can make - Uncle Tupelo

Bill Rogers - Posted - 04/30/2009:  08:59:45


Have her watch the videos of Gerry O'Connor and Barney McKenna on YouTube. Emulate what they do.

Bill

scotty22 - Posted - 04/30/2009:  09:01:56


Hey...flatpicking a banjo is a bad habit; let her rip and have fun. But, slightly more technically speaking...picking out tunes by ear is an excellent start.

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mikeyes - Posted - 04/30/2009:  09:57:08


Bill Said:
"Have her watch the videos of Gerry O'Connor and Barney McKenna on YouTube. Emulate what they do."

Gerry O'Connor and Barney Mckenna are almost polar opposites in what they do, but emulating how they sound is good advice.

GO'C uses a four finger guitar style left hand and a "natural" pick grip while Barney McKenna uses mandolin fingering and a very tight bent thumb grip. Both techniques have good and bad points, but at some point your daughter will have to learn a consistent technique. But looking at good musicians including the two mentioned and such greats as Enda Scahill and others on youtube can help her understand how the banjo is played.

If you are in the Dallas area in October , Enda will be there at the O'Flaherty Retreat. If she falls in love with the banjo, you might see if her fiddle teacher can play the banjo. Having a live teacher is the best way to go. Next best is to get the Gerry O'Connor DVDs from Elderly. There are internet resources too.

UPDATE:
The Chicago area is loaded with good banjo teachers and Paulene Conneely plays there, she is one of the best. I'll have to look up Crystal Lake to see if you are close.


Mike Keyes
http://www.banjosessions.com
http://www.mikekeyes.com


Edited by - mikeyes on 04/30/2009 10:00:16

pilgrim1 - Posted - 04/30/2009:  10:27:11


If she goes down the GO'C road, then she's going to have to learn to play so fast that only dogs can hear the tune properly, and to put in twice as many triplets than is necessary!
I wish her all the best with her new 'bad habit'


AYO GURKHALI !

Roger the Dodger

fergaloh - Posted - 04/30/2009:  11:24:04


Enda scahills banjo tutor may be a good investmet, i've never read it, but i understand its focuses on right hand technique and would be of great use at some stage in learning, and Enda's playing speaks for itself(brilliance!!). The real bad habits are in the right hand. Relaxation is paramount and although different players have different pick holds the movement still comes from the wrist. The key is to eliminate tension(I think!). As for the left hand some people use fiddle style and others the finger fret assignment like Gerry O'C uses. I've used both at different times and none are restricting, with practice of course. Listening is important too and although Gerry and Barney are very popular there are far more players with different styles who are just as good and technically accomplished.


Edited by - fergaloh on 04/30/2009 11:24:52

mjmckeon - Posted - 04/30/2009:  11:27:42


quote:
Originally posted by mikeyes



UPDATE:
The Chicago area is loaded with good banjo teachers and Paulene Conneely plays there, she is one of the best. I'll have to look up Crystal Lake to see if you are close.


Mike Keyes
http://www.banjosessions.com
http://www.mikekeyes.com



Thanks Mike, I'm pretty sure that Paulene is on the south side which is a haul for us. Her fiddle teacher does play but he tends to focus on fiddle and running the Chicago School of Irish Music http://www.irishmusicschool.com/. He probably knows someone but I think he wants her to play it in the Grupa Cheoil competion in Detroit May 16th so she has to work it out on her own for now.

Mike

What a life a mess can make - Uncle Tupelo

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