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6stringedRamble

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since 6/12/17

07/17/2017 09:25:57 Reply with Quote

I can't really decided on which banjo to get. I think I like the plunkiness of the CC OT better, based on youtube vids, and prefer the price. On the other hand the CB 100 seems to be made much better.

 

Also I'm having a relative bring it to me overseas, via checked baggage on united airlines. Can someone tell me how to pack it so that it doesn't get broken?

Fathand

Canada
10101 posts since 2/7/08

07/17/2017 10:51:18View Fathand's MP3 Archive View Fathand's Photo Albums View Fathand's Blog Reply with Quote

Remove the neck before packing, It will keep it from breaking and may even fit in a 20.5" carry on suitcase if packed kitty corner.

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/17/2017 12:12:26View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

I just purchased a Gold Tone custom with a 12 " rim, sand cast tone ring and a scooped neck. If I were you I would either order it with a case, as cases may be much more expensive where you are. I would ship it in the case with the neck ON and the strings slack and bridge flat.

The cover the case with bubble warp and you are good to go. They  treat the case as frigile when they see the bubble warp. OR you cound pack it in a Gold Tone banjo box..

 

Bob

 

 



Banjo Case in Bubble Wrap ready for the airlines

   
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gregm1

62 posts since 1/3/15

07/17/2017 12:49:30 Reply with Quote

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gregm1

62 posts since 1/3/15

07/17/2017 12:55:39 Reply with Quote

You can't count on the bubble wrap signifying the airlines to be carefull with it. I had my banjo all marked ,, etc... and I watched them toss it like they were throwing out garbage... I saw it a couple of times. Its just a job to them, tossing bagage from one place to another. It's just one more bag like the rest of the bags. You may find an individual once in a while , who is courteous enough to take good care of it,,, but dont count on it.

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/17/2017 12:56:12 Reply with Quote

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Originally posted by BDCA
 

I just purchased a Gold Tone custom with a 12 " rim, sand cast tone ring and a scooped neck. If I were you I would either order it with a case, as cases may be much more expensive where you are. I would ship it in the case with the neck ON and the strings slack and bridge flat.

The cover the case with bubble warp and you are good to go. They  treat the case as frigile when they see the bubble warp. OR you cound pack it in a Gold Tone banjo box..

 Bob 


I already bought a 7 ply guardian case for $125 off Eldery for it. I didn't even buy the banjo yet. I've read you need to pack every bit of spare space inside the case with styrofoam or paper, and then put the case in a box with more packing material inside of that. Any experience with that? I get one shot at this, living overseas, and made of cells and water as opposed to money. lol. Cool sounding banjo btw. Any pics? I didn't know that Gold Tone does customs. Are they on par with the fancy names like Ome? I'm new to this whole thing.

 


Edited by - 6stringedRamble on 07/17/2017 12:59:02

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/17/2017 12:57:52 Reply with Quote

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Originally posted by gregm1
 

You can't count on the bubble wrap signifying the airlines to be carefull with it. I had my banjo all marked ,, etc... and I watched them toss it like they were throwing out garbage... I saw it a couple of times. Its just a job to them, tossing bagage from one place to another. It's just one more bag like the rest of the bags. You may find an individual once in a while , who is courteous enough to take good care of it,,, but dont count on it.


So then how did you get your banjos from one side to the other in one piece? Sounds like the airlines may just be the worst option possible. Is this doable? Fedex and UPS want like $300!

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/17/2017 14:11:54View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by gregm1
 

You can't count on the bubble wrap signifying the airlines to be carefull with it. I had my banjo all marked ,, etc... and I watched them toss it like they were throwing out garbage... I saw it a couple of times. Its just a job to them, tossing bagage from one place to another. It's just one more bag like the rest of the bags. You may find an individual once in a while , who is courteous enough to take good care of it,,, but dont count on it.


Unlike you, I have never had my banjo tossed like garbage, and I sincerely doubt you have either,. I usually sit up front on the right hand side of the plane and often see them loading my instruments. To be clear, I always have my banjo in the overhead BUT when I have two banjos and a guitar, one has to go in the old. I probably have no more than 10 flights with a banjo in the hold. All were undamaged and even the bubble wrap was intact and un damaged. I made sure there was nothing in the case to make TSA want to look inside, but I did draw a cut line on the bubble wrap and a note explaining how to remove and replace the resonator. .

Is it 100% that it will work the next time..no but is it better than checking a banjo in a case that looks bullet proof? Of course.

Bob

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mikehalloranPlayers Union Member

United States
9207 posts since 10/27/06

07/17/2017 15:05:34 View mikehalloran's Classified Ads Reply with Quote

The one time I had a case that suffered significant damage, it was in the overhead compartment. Things shift, going gets rough... Instrument was fine. Many of my cases have tears in the Tolex and scuffs. Normally, I check them. 

I don't know how many air miles I have logged with my instruments but it was in the 6 figures.

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/17/2017 15:13:57 Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by BDCA
 
quote:
Originally posted by gregm1
 

You can't count on the bubble wrap signifying the airlines to be carefull with it. I had my banjo all marked ,, etc... and I watched them toss it like they were throwing out garbage... I saw it a couple of times. Its just a job to them, tossing bagage from one place to another. It's just one more bag like the rest of the bags. You may find an individual once in a while , who is courteous enough to take good care of it,,, but dont count on it.


Unlike you, I have never had my banjo tossed like garbage, and I sincerely doubt you have either,. I usually sit up front on the right hand side of the plane and often see them loading my instruments. To be clear, I always have my banjo in the overhead BUT when I have two banjos and a guitar, one has to go in the old. I probably have no more than 10 flights with a banjo in the hold. All were undamaged and even the bubble wrap was intact and un damaged. I made sure there was nothing in the case to make TSA want to look inside, but I did draw a cut line on the bubble wrap and a note explaining how to remove and replace the resonator. .

Is it 100% that it will work the next time..no but is it better than checking a banjo in a case that looks bullet proof? Of course.

Bob


Bob haven't you heard the "united breaks guitars" story that turned into a hit youtube song? The baggage handlers were throwing guitars left and right. BTW my dad works for USAirways many decades. He said when SouthWestern took them over, they fired all the baggage handlers makign $18/hr and hired back new ones through an employment agency for $9 /hr. That's totally 9 reasons every hour of laborious work not to give a crap about other people's things. IMO.


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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/17/2017 15:39:59View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Mike: I would like to hear more about what happened in the overhead? 

Image result for twilight zone nightmare at 20000 feet

I was discussing that video with a United Captain while on a Newark to Shanghai flight. They were all acutely aware of it. These days, anyone who only has a single instrument is an idiot for checking it in.

Btw, nameless one, US Air no longer exists and South West never bought US Air so you need to put down your beer and get your facts straight.

 

Bob

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/17/2017 16:11:46 Reply with Quote

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Originally posted by BDCA
 

Mike: I would like to hear more about what happened in the overhead? 

Image result for twilight zone nightmare at 20000 feet

I was discussing that video with a United Captain while on a Newark to Shanghai flight. They were all acutely aware of it. These days, anyone who only has a single instrument is an idiot for checking it in.

Btw, nameless one, US Air no longer exists and South West never bought US Air so you need to put down your beer and get your facts straight.

 

Bob

Oh yeah. I had to look it up. It was American Air. Well like I said I live overseas for 7 years now, and don't keep that current on US events, aside from the bats*** rollercoaster of an election.  Was the best show on earth for all of 2016. Maybe no coincidence that the Ringling Brothers circus went out of business the same year.

Bryan

 

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/17/2017 16:33:25View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Sorry, I didn't realize you were the original poster..duh. One of my closest friends and an Irish musician is a senior manager for American, formerly with US Air, so I knew the story from the horses mouth so to speak. He was based here in AZ when he was with US Air, now he's stuck in Dallas.

So where are you now located? I have spent almost half my life living overseas. I was in Ireland during the elections and through the winter. EVERYONE asked me what was going on...just shrugged my shoulders.

 

Bob

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gtani7Players Union Member

United States
124 posts since 3/22/17

07/17/2017 17:31:19 Reply with Quote

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/fragile.aspx#Musicalinstruments

https://travelsort.com/blog/flying-with-musical-instruments-airline-carry-on-policies

You really want this to be carry on or gate checked, and if turbulence hits, yes, it needs to be padded well in the case.  Read above and have your banjo sherpa print it out to have at the counter, and ready to take the banjo case as his/her only carry on, with warm clothes, toothpaste, whatever else is needed in their pockets. It helps if your banjo bearer is flying business, or first class or if coach, a boarding pass to get on as early as possible

The best impact protection i've found for delicate stuff is these camping pads, cut up: https://www.rei.com/product/829826/therm-a-rest-z-lite-sol-sleeping-pad

Also, i would get the instrument from a specialy banjo dealer or have it setup by a qualified bulder/luthier while it's over here.  And if it makes any difference, maple necks seem to be a little more impact resistance and resistant to having lag bolts pull out than mahogany.


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eagleisland

United States
12773 posts since 12/2/05

07/17/2017 18:04:27View eagleisland's MP3 Archive View eagleisland's Photo Albums View eagleisland's Blog Reply with Quote

Okay, have been holding off, but there's enough questionable info in this thread to link this.

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/17/2017 18:13:50View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by gtani7
 

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/fragile.aspx#Musicalinstruments

https://travelsort.com/blog/flying-with-musical-instruments-airline-carry-on-policies

You really want this to be carry on or gate checked, and if turbulence hits, yes, it needs to be padded well in the case.  Read above and have your banjo sherpa print it out to have at the counter, and ready to take the banjo case as his/her only carry on, with warm clothes, toothpaste, whatever else is needed in their pockets. It helps if your banjo bearer is flying business, or first class or if coach, a boarding pass to get on as early as possible

The best impact protection i've found for delicate stuff is these camping pads, cut up: https://www.rei.com/product/829826/therm-a-rest-z-lite-sol-sleeping-pad

Also, i would get the instrument from a specialy banjo dealer or have it setup by a qualified bulder/luthier while it's over here.  And if it makes any difference, maple necks seem to be a little more impact resistance and resistant to having lag bolts pull out than mahogany.


The good news is that Bryan is buying a light weight old time banjo and the risk of breaking the neck at the heel is much less than with a bluegrass type banjo. I will sometimes fill all available open spaces with foam peanuts AND place a small pad of bubble wrap over the peg head  as well as a roll over the finger board to prevent ANY movement of the neck in the case. I have had good luck so far with over 1.5 million miles on my guitar (in the hold) and banjo  (in the overhead). 

There are other disasters that don't involve damage from dropping. United left my guitar on the tarmac at Dulles on my way to RDU. It was there during a night of severe thunderstorms.They delivered it the next day in 100 heat, and almost a pint of water poured out when I opened the case. My guitar is carbon and the electronics dried out ok, so no harm done. HAd it been a wood guitar, it would have been spare parts.

Bob

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

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07/17/2017 19:05:15View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by eagleisland
 

Okay, have been holding off, but there's enough questionable info in this thread to link this.


Thanks!!!  

BTW my latest travel innovation is a Gold Tone with an open back 12" pot, sand cast tone ring, scooped claw hammer neck AND a full sized tenor neck. Swap takes 10 minutes and the tenor neck fits in my suitcase. TADA! only one banjo case on the plane.

Bob

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/18/2017 01:08:35 Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by BDCA
 

Sorry, I didn't realize you were the original poster..duh. One of my closest friends and an Irish musician is a senior manager for American, formerly with US Air, so I knew the story from the horses mouth so to speak. He was based here in AZ when he was with US Air, now he's stuck in Dallas.

So where are you now located? I have spent almost half my life living overseas. I was in Ireland during the elections and through the winter. EVERYONE asked me what was going on...just shrugged my shoulders.

 

Bob


I live in Tel Aviv Israel now. I have lived briefly in Phoenix Arizona back in 08, but couldn't find a job, and had to go back to Buffalo. But the desert life is my blood since then Would never want to go back to a cold climate. How's 120 degree heat? It's only been in the low 100s here so far. Had 114 last year though. Coming from the Rust Belt I knew the economic situation was bad and would lead to political chaos, ppl here didn't really understand it was going on. There were Israeli news reports on Detroit after the election. That was funny.

 

Anyways, it sounds like shipping this banjo via sherpa and checked baggage is a really bad idea. Any other suggestions?

 

 

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/18/2017 01:24:57 Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by BDCA
 
quote:
Originally posted by eagleisland
 

Okay, have been holding off, but there's enough questionable info in this thread to link this.


Thanks!!!  

BTW my latest travel innovation is a Gold Tone with an open back 12" pot, sand cast tone ring, scooped claw hammer neck AND a full sized tenor neck. Swap takes 10 minutes and the tenor neck fits in my suitcase. TADA! only one banjo case on the plane.

Bob


BTW I just read in your bio that you know Arlo Guthrie? Wow. I decided to start learning folk music because I listend to all of Woody Guthrie's recording about a million times and figured the only way to hear some more, was start playing on my own.

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/18/2017 07:22:28View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by 6stringedRamble
 
 

I live in Tel Aviv Israel now. I have lived briefly in Phoenix Arizona back in 08, but couldn't find a job, and had to go back to Buffalo. But the desert life is my blood since then Would never want to go back to a cold climate. How's 120 degree heat? It's only been in the low 100s here so far. Had 114 last year though. Coming from the Rust Belt I knew the economic situation was bad and would lead to political chaos, ppl here didn't really understand it was going on. There were Israeli news reports on Detroit after the election. That was funny.

 

Anyways, it sounds like shipping this banjo via sherpa and checked baggage is a really bad idea. Any other suggestions?

 


We have monsoon rains about this time every year and the temperatures have dropped to the double digits. As low as 80F yesterday. Break out the down jackets. One of the very best Old Time fiddle and banjo players lives in Tucson, Dan Levenson. (Clawdan on the forum). His aunt lives in Israel and he's over now and then for concerts, etc. You should fire off a message and get together for lessons when he's next in Israel. 

The problem with this forum is people espouse their opinions as facts, or simply don't travel enough to have a realistic experience base. The member who complained about the airline tossing his instruments like garbage, explained in a PM that it was really a case of poor handling because he gate checked his instruments. I explained that I never gate check and it's not necessary if you travel smart. I have NEVER had an instrument damaged in the hold or from poor handling. The last banjo I put in the hold was a 1919 Clifford Essex Paragon on a recent flight from Ireland, through Newark, San Francisco and then to Tucson. I was offered 10,000 Euros for the banjo in Ireland. I simply prepared it as described, and it arrived in perfect condition.

I used to work for a high tech group in London. The company started by doing all the packaging and dispatch for IBM's mainframe production in England.Every now and then someone drove a fork lift through the heavy plywood case, making IBM very happy but the customers..not so much. One of our packaging engineers designed new packaging which consisted of a simple frame that went over the pallet and was covered with heavy transparent poly sheeting. There was never another damaged computer.That's where I got the idea for covering a sturdy looking hard shell case with bubble wrap. If the case looks sturdy, they will treat it like another piece of luggage. If it looks very fragile they will treat it as such. No guarantees, but it certainly improves your odds of a safe deliver. In addition if you use your friends to ferry the instrument, probably will have less issues in customs. Remove all tags and anything that makes the instrument look new. 

Re Arlo: We went to "sister" prep schools in the Berkshires of Western Mass. Arlo put a bluegrass band together call The Berkshire Bluegrass Band. I played guitar, Paul Klingman, Banjo, Arlo fiddle and I can't remember who else was in it. I went to Newport with Arlo in '63 and got to hang out with all the big names..fun for a kid in HS. Mac Benford was my history teacher..

 

Bob

 

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/19/2017 06:38:36 Reply with Quote

Any thoughts on shipping? I was going to buy the banjo from Elderly. But Musicians friend will send it to Israel for $112 . Other places quoted me $250-$350. Any thoughts on shipping VS checked baggage? I understand Elderl sends out instruments set up and inspected vs a crap shoot from a vendor like Musicians Friend. Any thoughts on this?

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/19/2017 10:54:04View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Pay your friends $50 to carry the banjo on board and stow in the overhead. Win - Win.

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6stringedRamble

18 posts since 6/12/17

07/19/2017 13:29:27 Reply with Quote

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Originally posted by BDCA
 

Pay your friends $50 to carry the banjo on board and stow in the overhead. Win - Win.


I wish, alas, United only allows one carry one, and my friend has a health issue that requires they take medicines in a back pack on board.

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BDCAPlayers Union Member

United States
5466 posts since 1/30/07

07/19/2017 13:51:03View BDCA's MP3 Archive View BDCA's Classified Ads View BDCA's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Not true! I fly United exclusively and you can take one carry on for the overhead and one under the seat. I do it all the time. My under seat bag JUST fits. Most back packs will fit, and you could always put some extra stuff in the case and inside the banjo.

 

Bob


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