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Unclelevi

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02/07/2012 11:21:33  View Unclelevi's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote

A friend of mine, Leon, (Leon if you read this please e-mail the info) told me his band only uses one Mic --not one kind of mic-- just ONE mic--- and it works well for them. Anyone know what brand he's talking about? I forgot what he told me and I'd like to get one.


Edited by - Lynne on 02/07/2012 11:42:23

Jason Wilkerson

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02/07/2012 11:25:19  View Jason Wilkerson's MP3 Archive  View Jason Wilkerson's Classified Ads  View Jason Wilkerson's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote

There are a number of brands, but they're called omni-directional mics.  They are condenser mics that will pick up sound from every direction.  They do work very well.  They seem to be made for bluegrass/acoustic bands.  They are my preferred way of playing, as they eliminate the issues of monitors, etc, all the musicians hear themselves and each other.

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NorwegianplayerPlayers Union Member

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02/07/2012 12:26:33  View Norwegianplayer's MP3 Archive  View Norwegianplayer's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote

I use a Röde NT1. Very good value for money. Just one of the brands.

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eagleisland

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02/07/2012 12:38:57  View eagleisland's MP3 Archive  View eagleisland's Photo Albums  View eagleisland's Blog    Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Wilkerson

There are a number of brands, but they're called omni-directional mics.  They are condenser mics that will pick up sound from every direction.  They do work very well.  They seem to be made for bluegrass/acoustic bands.  They are my preferred way of playing, as they eliminate the issues of monitors, etc, all the musicians hear themselves and each other.


Almost. What we're talking about here is a type of mic called a large diaphragm condenser. They can have several different pickup patterns; on some mics there's a switch to select which pattern. Omnidirectional is NOT a good pattern in a crowded bar; you'll end up putting a lot of crowd noise through the PA. A cardioid pattern works much better. You need to practice with these mics so the players know how and when to move in for a solo or move back for backup. Many bands that use a single mic setup still bring the bass in separately either with a pickup and DI box or with a separate mic. Part of the appeal of the single mic setup, aside from simplicity and cost, is the band choreography and the tradition, which go back to the earliest days of bluegrass. In those days, the mics were often worth more than the instruments.

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pdbanjo

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02/07/2012 13:07:43  View pdbanjo's MP3 Archive  View pdbanjo's Classified Ads  View pdbanjo's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote

Yep there are many types of large diaphram condenors on the market. Most are not suitable for live performances but they are great for studio recordings. The one I use for the band is from Audio Technica and known as an AT 4033. They aren't being produced anymore but audio technica replaced them with a newer version I think called AT4033c or something like that. I once saw Del McCoury and his band and the AT4033 was what they were using at the time. You can find them used now and again on eBay or as trade in at some music shops like Sam Ashe but I wouldn't pay more than $275 for one. If you get a used one make sure you get the mic stand spider web shock mount with it for that kind of money tho' because a new mount from Audio Tech will set you back another $100. They origionally cost about $600 new w/mount.

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LeonEvans

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02/07/2012 15:20:09  Reply with Quote

Hi Mike,

The one I use is the AKG C3000. This is a LDC with 1 inch diaphragm and is a cardioid pattern. I've had many sound engineers on stages that aren't used to acoustic/bluegrass bands say it's not made for stage use, but it works just fine if you know how to use it. One big thing is to use little or no monitors on stage (or use in-ear monitors) to reduce feedback. Here's a list of other mic's I've used for this type of setup:

AT 4033, AT 4040, AKG C414 (several variants of this mic), Neumann TLM102 / TLM103 / BCM104, Shure KSM-32 / KSM-44, and the Audix SCX25a. The list goes on, but those are the main ones I've used.

I've also seen this done with small diaphragm mics like the AT Pro 37r and AKG C1000s but due to the smaller diaphragm, you really have to know how to do the movements on stage (sometimes called "the dance") to make sure you're getting heard the way you want.

Del McCoury uses two LDC mics which cuts down on how much of "the dance" is needed, but there's still movement needed to get the lead player in front of a mic at the right time.

It can be a real struggle if the sound folks don't know how to use these types of mics as they constantly want to make changes to improve the sound at the board which usually results in very bad feedback or very low volume.

Leon

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NorwegianplayerPlayers Union Member

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02/09/2012 01:44:00  View Norwegianplayer's MP3 Archive  View Norwegianplayer's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote

Leon is right. The sound folk often try to improve the sound, and causes feedback. That's why I use one (or two) large diaphragm mic.

My favorite set  up for my band that counts about 8 members are two Røde NT1 and sometimes 1 solomic. All set up before the gig and strictly tell the sound folks not to lay their hands on anything. Then the band can settle and move according to soloparts, both for vocal and the instruments

 


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Keith Billik

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02/09/2012 06:37:09  Reply with Quote

What everyone said.

It should be made clear that you can really only count on this setup working in places that tend to be quiet, listening environments, have decent room acoustics, or if you just need a slight boost for providing background music. Also assume that you will not have any monitors (even if you "have" monitors you shouldn't use them). If you are playing in noisier environments like a bar/club, it's better to not even try.

2 more essential things to have if you go this route:

- a good graphic (31-band) or parametric equalizer, and learn how to use it to reduce feedback

- Windscreen. Essential for outdoor use; I even tend to use it indoors to reduce plosives.

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