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oldwolf

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02/03/2012 10:26:10  Reply with Quote

Is the old song "DIXIE", the one with the line in it that goes "cause I'm from Dixie too", appropriate for a bluegrass jam?  Is it Bluegrass.  Now I've done it.  I've gone and asked that eternal question.  Is it Bluegrass?  

Gene Warner

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02/03/2012 10:52:01  Reply with Quote

I haven't heard it in a bluegrass jam, but if you can figure out a banjo break for it -- go for it.  I'd pick along with you on it gladly.  It's a neat. song.

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Fathand

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At a Jam a few weeks ago a gentleman was singing the song you mentioned, Are You From Dixie (Cause I'm From Dixie Too). I noticed that some of the lyrics seem to be derived from Dear old Dixie which is considered a bluegrass standard as far as I know.  When he was done, I played and sang Dear Old Dixie for fun and we had a laugh at

So if this is a variation of Dear Old Dixie then it must be allowable at a "Bluegrass" jam.  The Bluegrass repertoire ranges from 1880s tunes through the Beatles and the present day so I think if you play it with Bluegrass instrumentation it can be bluegrass.

Lyric from Are You From Dixie

Well if you're from Alabama Tennessee or Caroline
Anyplace below that Mason Dixon line

Similar Lyrics from Dear Old Dixie

And Im' headin down below that Mason Dixon Line.
Well, Tennessee, Mississippi good ole Alabam,
 
Here is a 1396 version by the Blue Sky Boys  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhOcxYIjsAo

 

 

 



 


Edited by - Fathand on 02/03/2012 11:01:23

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From Greylock to Bean Blossom

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02/03/2012 11:09:44  View From Greylock to Bean Blossom's MP3 Archive  View From Greylock to Bean Blossom's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote

Butch Robins on one of my favorite banjo albums of all time, Grounded, Centered, Focused, does an absolutely great rendition of this song and if it ain't bluegrass there is not a cow in Texas and Texas is a heifers' hangout! If you can find it you will enjoy it MUCH. smiley

Ken

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minstrelmike

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02/03/2012 11:28:08  View minstrelmike's MP3 Archive  View minstrelmike's Photo Albums  View minstrelmike's Blog  Reply with Quote

Bluegrass is a 'genre' of music.

A specific song is not a genre; it is just a song.

Fox on the Run is neither a bluegrass song nor a rock song, it is just a song.
When Mannfred Mann does it, it is not bluegrass in any way shape or form..
When the Country Gentlemen play it, it is not rock in any way, shape or form.

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merwin

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02/03/2012 15:11:32  Reply with Quote

It has been reported that it was Abraham Lincoln's favorite song.

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Fathand

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02/03/2012 15:28:59  View Fathand's Classified Ads  View Fathand's Photo Albums  View Fathand's Blog    Reply with Quote

I see it listed as being written in 1915  by Jack Yellen and George Cobb
quote:
Originally posted by merwin

It has been reported that it was Abraham Lincoln's favorite song.


 

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From Greylock to Bean Blossom

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02/03/2012 16:29:37  View From Greylock to Bean Blossom's MP3 Archive  View From Greylock to Bean Blossom's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote

I wish there was a youtube of Butch Robins playing Are You From Dixie but here is a 30 second snippet of it. His rendition of it is much different than the Blue Sky Boys and done this way, I think even a minstrel winkwould have to call this Bluegrass! Butch's banjo has such life: he can really play can't he.

http://s255852274.onlinehome.us/butchrobins/products-page/audio/are-you-from-dixie/

Ken

Ps. If the link does not come out colored, just highlight it, right click it and select  "open".

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minstrelmike

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02/03/2012 17:04:46  View minstrelmike's MP3 Archive  View minstrelmike's Photo Albums  View minstrelmike's Blog  Reply with Quote

I'm not sure where the listing came from.

Dixie was written by Dan Emmett, one of the original minstrels.
It became a theme song of the Confederacy.

It's a perfectly good song but not one that I would ever play anywhere's.
Same reason a lot of people don't play Wagner.

It was my high school song at South Dade, Home of the Rebels, Confederate flag flying at the school.
Then the Black high school was closed and all the kids bussed to the one school and we had no nickname, no song and no flag. But I think it was the right choice. 

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Fathand

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The song Are You From Dixie (Cause I'm From Dixie Too) is the song written in 1915 and contains the lyrics requested in the original post.  The Dan Emmett song has different lyrics.
quote:
Originally posted by minstrelmike

I'm not sure where the listing came from.

Dixie was written by Dan Emmett, one of the original minstrels.
It became a theme song of the Confederacy.

It's a perfectly good song but not one that I would ever play anywhere's.
Same reason a lot of people don't play Wagner.

It was my high school song at South Dade, Home of the Rebels, Confederate flag flying at the school.
Then the Black high school was closed and all the kids bussed to the one school and we had no nickname, no song and no flag. But I think it was the right choice. 


 

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liliput1

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02/03/2012 21:29:53  Reply with Quote

It's a perfectly good song but not one that I would ever play anywhere's.
Same reason a lot of people don't play Wagner.

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trapdoor2Players Union Member

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02/05/2012 16:20:32  View trapdoor2's MP3 Archive  View trapdoor2's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by oldwolf

Is the old song "DIXIE", the one with the line in it that goes "cause I'm from Dixie too", appropriate for a bluegrass jam?  Is it Bluegrass.  Now I've done it.  I've gone and asked that eternal question.  Is it Bluegrass?  

Gene Warner


Gene, "Are You From Dixie" was written in the 19-teens, which means it predates bluegrass by about 30 yrs. It is nominally categorized as a "TPA" (Tin Pan Alley) ballad and belongs with a raft of generic tunes about missing the "old home place" down in Dixie (many of them, including this one, are great tunes).

As it is simply a "tune" it can be incorporated into any genre by making appropriate adjustments to it. It has been done as Bluegrass (can't recall who) and it works quite well as an OT tune (clawhammer...which is how I play it). No doubt it could be done as hip-hop or rap.

TPA tunes were/are great souce/fodder for BG. Earl used 'em, no reason you shouldn't.

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From Greylock to Bean Blossom

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Here is a youtube of Grandpa Jones tearing it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfH3bsaI66U

Ken

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Common TaterPlayers Union Member

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02/06/2012 14:01:44  View Common Tater's MP3 Archive  Reply with Quote

I play Dixie CH; it's the way it was probably first played.  Been hearing it for most of my life.  At high school football games, we'd all have to stand up when the band played it.

 

CT

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howbah

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02/06/2012 15:22:33  Reply with Quote

"Dixie" and "Are you from Dixie" are two completely different songs. 

It might avoid confusion to, if it's possible, change the thread title to "Is 'Are you from Dixie' bluegrass?"

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Common TaterPlayers Union Member

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02/06/2012 15:33:13  View Common Tater's MP3 Archive  Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by howbah

"Dixie" and "Are you from Dixie" are two completely different songs. 

It might avoid confusion to, if it's possible, change the thread title to "Is 'Are you from Dixie' bluegrass?"


My apologies.  I read the title of the thread and completely skimmed over the OP's first sentence.

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Ok City Bob

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02/06/2012 21:51:25  View Ok City Bob's MP3 Archive  View Ok City Bob's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote

I think the original  "Are You From Dixie" was done in Old Time or like someone else mentioned a Tin Pan Alley genre. Almost any song can be arranged and played in the Bluegrass style made famous by Bill Monroe. I would think "Are You From Dixie" would be appropriate for a Bluegrass Jam if it's played in the Bluegrass style.


Edited by - Ok City Bob on 02/06/2012 21:56:28

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trapdoor2Players Union Member

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02/07/2012 09:03:14  View trapdoor2's MP3 Archive  View trapdoor2's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote

Here's the "Victor Military Band" playing "Are You From Dixie". This recording was made in Feb of 1916...only a year after the tune was published. I believe I have a copy of Billy Murray singing it (from the same time period) buried somewhere.

Here's Billy from Dec 1915...leave it to youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE95QyueKZ8


Edited by - trapdoor2 on 02/07/2012 09:05:48

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72rcgrad

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04/07/2012 21:37:04  Reply with Quote

"Are You From Dixie", from Butch Robins' CD "Grounded-Centered-Focused" has been posted on YouTube:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN5gIn_d0uY&feature=colike

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carlb

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Digitized copies of the original sheet music for both:

Are You From Dixie? ('Cause I'm from Dixie too!). 1915, Cobb, George L., 1886-1942
Dixie's Land, 1860 / Dan D. Emmett 1815-1904.
 

can be found at:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/collections:@field(FLD003+@band(origf+Sheet+Music)):heading=Original+Format%3a+Sheet+Music


Edited by - carlb on 04/08/2012 05:25:56

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Klondike WaldoPlayers Union Member

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quote:
Originally posted by merwin

It has been reported that it was Abraham Lincoln's favorite song.


There's some confusion here earlier, I think. DIXIE is not really the song in question, rather a song entitled "Are You From Dixie" . Abe Lincoln is said to have requested the Band to play  Dan Emmett's "Dixie" when he received news of Lee's Surrender at Appomattox. "Are You From Dixie?" is much more recent (1915). I remember playing that tune  at "Your Father's Mustache" quite often back in the early 70s. Definitely not Bluegrass the way we played it.   

 

To answer the original question- it depends on how you play it. A band could certainly do a Bluegrass version of it with the right instruments and style.


Edited by - Klondike Waldo on 04/08/2012 17:12:25

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beegee

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I have included Are You From Dixie in my repertoire for over 30 years. It is a crowd-pleaser. It was one of Grandpa Jones' standards along with 8 More Miles to Louisville.

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BobTheGambler

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04/10/2012 19:56:46  Reply with Quote

To add to the the confusion, there's also "Gwine Back to Dixie", as recorded by Uncle Dave Macon. Here's a link to the sheet music from "Are You From Dixie?" at the Lester S. Levy collection at Johns Hopkins:

Are You From Dixie?

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