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Polle Flaunoe

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Posted - 11/05/2009 :  05:53:59  View Polle Flaunoe's MP3 Archive  View Polle Flaunoe's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote


I´m shortly going to set up a new chart - a little like my one-page chord chart for 5th tuned 4-stringers:

http://www.acoustudio.dk/TENOR%20BA...20CHORDS.htm

The new chart will focuse on chord settings using the thumb also - partly with added colorations, small scales within a chord etc., which will be possible due to the "extra" finger.

However I may have a problem - LOL!

I know, that US citiziens are naming their fingers T-1-2-3-4 (on both hands).

In an all metric country like Denmark we name them 1-2-3-4-5 (on left hand plus 6-7-8-9-10 on right hand - starting with the thumbs).

All non-US players,

How do you name/count fingers in your countries? LOL!

Regards

Polle





Polle Flaunoe

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Posted - 11/05/2009 :  07:51:12  View Polle Flaunoe's MP3 Archive  View Polle Flaunoe's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote



PS!

I forgot to mention, that I in the new chart will point out which finger will have to go where. LOL!

An example - many tenor players have a problem forming a Dim-chord with their maybe fat 4 fingers - especially at the uppper end of the fretboard (Up means near the pot - aggree?).

Let the example be a Bbo in basic position - the chord setting will be 10-9-11-10 (fret number for 4th to 1st string) - a standard finger setting (in non-Danish terms) for this will be 2-1-4-3.

In the new chart the finger setting will be T-1-3-2 - try it - and once you master the grip, try letting your pinky make a roll on 1st string from 12th down to 10th fret, while holding the grip and playing a steady rhythm.

Oh - do you maybe now get my point about a relaxed grip plus a possibility for adding f.ex. an inside scale? Only by using your otherwise lazy thumb! LOL!

Polle



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Dogface

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Posted - 11/05/2009 :  11:40:40  View Dogface's Classified Ads  View Dogface's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


Polle:

Using the thumb to fret strings it total heresy (grin) But we've been there before ;-)

Thanks,
Mark

If there are no dogs in heaven then when I die I want to go where they went...

Will Rogers

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Mirek Patek

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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  05:41:26  View Mirek Patek's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by Dogface

Using the thumb to fret strings it total heresy (grin) But we've been there before ;-)
One heresy more, or less - I do not care. In my heretical DGdg tuning I fret the root of my F chord (3532) by thumb too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14LbX83gU8

Mirek

P.S. I do not know about the official way of counting left hand fingers (among classical guitar players), the right hand are named p,i,m,a. I think we just adopted the US system of T1234.

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Conversion of 5-string banjo tunings to fingerstyle tenor banjo (omit 2nd string):
Open G tuning gDGBD or Sawmill tuning gDGCD => DGdg tuning of tenor banjo
Classic C tuning gCGBD or Double C tuning gCGCD => CGdg tuning of tenor banjo
http://www.mirekpatek.com http://www.youtube.com/user/mirekpatek
Handout for workshops at Johnny Keenan Banjo Festival:
http://www.banjohangout.org/forum/t...IC_ID=157944


Edited by - Mirek Patek on 11/07/2009 06:03:41

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NYCJazz

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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  05:56:48  View NYCJazz's MP3 Archive  View NYCJazz's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote


Django used his thumb.


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Dogface

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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  08:48:09  View Dogface's Classified Ads  View Dogface's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by NYCJazz

Django used his thumb.






Django didn't have much to work with after his train accident ! I'd give him a pass on that :))

Thanks,
Mark

If there are no dogs in heaven then when I die I want to go where they went...

Will Rogers

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Polle Flaunoe

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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  09:50:30  View Polle Flaunoe's MP3 Archive  View Polle Flaunoe's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote


Mark,

Believe it or not - but some BHO members plus many domestic players have asked me about this fantastic and extremely usable playing style.

That´s why I´ll put up a "chart" for it - only I had to know how to number the fingers used - for most people on a global basis to understand.

I think, that I´ll go for the idiotic T-1-2-3-4 numbering - otherwise I forsee a WW III coming closer. LOL!

Regards

Polle

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beezaboyPlayers Union Member

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Posted - 11/07/2009 :  17:00:18  View beezaboy's Classified Ads  View beezaboy's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote


"Off with his thumb", cried the King!

Beezaboy

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Polle Flaunoe

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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  02:10:15  View Polle Flaunoe's MP3 Archive  View Polle Flaunoe's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote



Roman Emperors did for sure use their thumb with great effect.

Polle

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diarmaid

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Ireland
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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  05:30:23  View diarmaid's MP3 Archive  View diarmaid's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


Chuck Norris used his thumb unwisely in the Coliseum, in Way Of The Dragon

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Mirek Patek

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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  05:45:20  View Mirek Patek's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by Dogface

Django didn't have much to work with after his train accident !
The words "train" and "caravan" are not synonymous for me. (At the age of 18, Reinhardt was injured in a fire that ravaged the caravan he shared with Florine "Bella" Mayer, his first wife. - says Wikipedia)

Mirek

_________________________________________________________________
Conversion of 5-string banjo tunings to fingerstyle tenor banjo (omit 2nd string):
Open G tuning gDGBD or Sawmill tuning gDGCD => DGdg tuning of tenor banjo
Classic C tuning gCGBD or Double C tuning gCGCD => CGdg tuning of tenor banjo
http://www.mirekpatek.com http://www.youtube.com/user/mirekpatek
Handout for workshops at Johnny Keenan Banjo Festival:
http://www.banjohangout.org/forum/t...IC_ID=157944

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Dogface

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Posted - 11/08/2009 :  10:18:20  View Dogface's Classified Ads  View Dogface's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


Mirek,
OK...I stand corrected. Just saying what I had heard from a banjo instructor and real jazz historian back in the '70's. The point remains the same, however. Django didn't have much of a choice on how to fret strings since he lost fingers in the accident.... A distinction without a difference in my mind.

Thanks,
Mark

If there are no dogs in heaven then when I die I want to go where they went...

Will Rogers

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