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1four5

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  17:55:17  View 1four5's Photo Albums  View 1four5's Blog    Reply with Quote

I bought a Helix rim and put it together with a Hazen neck. Two weeks later and this thing screams. It vibrates like nothing I've ever played before. It mic's better than either of my resonator banjos. It only weighs 5 pounds. I've played 6 gigs with it and it plays in the mix beyond any expectations. I look down still, and can't believe it's an open back. Like where's the battery or something?

Previous to this, I've played my Goodtime, CC100R and Vega as open backs, and wasn't interested. I'd played the Goodtime and Epiphone open backs at Guitar Center, yuck. I'd even played my Calico without the resonator, ewww.

Ironically, the Helix is the 13th banjo I've owned. (and first and only non factory custom build)

If my house was on fire today and I could only save one banjo... I'm sorry to all you bluegrassers, but I'd grab the open back.

What is happening to me?

Dean

fretlessinfortwayne

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:09:35  View fretlessinfortwayne's MP3 Archive  View fretlessinfortwayne's Photo Albums  View fretlessinfortwayne's Blog  Reply with Quote


It's called maturity, refining your tastes, growth.

Dean

"Each one's got to have his own style. It's all creamed potatoes, just fixed a little different." -- Benton Flippen

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snapjackson

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:11:07  View snapjackson's MP3 Archive  View snapjackson's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by fretlessinfortwayne

It's called maturity, refining your tastes, growth.

Dean

"Each one's got to have his own style. It's all creamed potatoes, just fixed a little different." -- Benton Flippen







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CoE15NJVPlayers Union Member

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:12:11  Reply with Quote


I think it's called an epiphany.


Welcome!

Steven

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Flying Eagle

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:14:44  View Flying Eagle's MP3 Archive  View Flying Eagle's Photo Albums  View Flying Eagle's Blog  Reply with Quote


I think you're what Rush Limbaugh refers to as a "BINO" - Bluegrass In Name Only.

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backtothefuturePlayers Union Member

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:16:09  View backtothefuture's MP3 Archive  View backtothefuture's Photo Albums  View backtothefuture's Blog  Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by 1four5


.........What is happening to me?

Dean






Not sure....but I'm betting it was the ukulele.

.

Dennis



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Jaminbanjo

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:18:38  View Jaminbanjo's MP3 Archive  View Jaminbanjo's Photo Albums  View Jaminbanjo's Blog    Reply with Quote


Hurry, run away from open backs while you still can!

Austin

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asmcsgac

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:18:43  View asmcsgac's Classified Ads  Reply with Quote


Say it isn't so

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backtothefuturePlayers Union Member

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  18:22:54  View backtothefuture's MP3 Archive  View backtothefuture's Photo Albums  View backtothefuture's Blog  Reply with Quote


You all my posts saying that lefties should play righty?

Well.....I take those all back.

Obviously this was a mistake as it causes serious brain damage.

.

Dennis



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1four5

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  19:14:17  View 1four5's Photo Albums  View 1four5's Blog    Reply with Quote


Guess what I'm taking to my next bluegrass jam?

Yep Today I played my open back at a show, and then practiced for an hour with my Goodtime... and it seemed like it weighed a ton! Then this evening my Calico weight at least 95 pounds and when I went back to the Helix... ahhhhhhhhhh and it's louder, dryer and cleaner. I'm a mess.

Dean

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GerryHPlayers Union Member

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  19:14:51  View GerryH's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


It was meant to be....
GerryH

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French

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  19:24:49  View French's MP3 Archive  View French's Photo Albums  View French's Blog  Reply with Quote


come to the dark side...

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72chevy

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  19:26:11  View 72chevy's MP3 Archive  View 72chevy's Classified Ads  View 72chevy's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


Dean, is that third fingerpick wrapped too tight cutting off blood flow? That new neck of yours does peak some interest though. Any sound clips comparisons?

Thanks,
Tommy

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1four5

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  19:32:53  View 1four5's Photo Albums  View 1four5's Blog    Reply with Quote


My only sound clip connection is BHO member KyBlugrass. Today's technolgy has run away from me. One of these days we hope to put something together! The 3rd fingerpick just means the other's don't have to work so hard

Dean

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rendesvous1840

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Sounds like your tastes have embraced something new. Never say "never". An openbacker is born. Next, embrace some index or thumb-lead 2 finger. You'll be surprised what you don't need the other pick for.
Paul

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majorhoople

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Posted - 11/03/2009 :  21:35:20  Reply with Quote


And pray tell, which wood is your great sounding Helix rim made from? Just curious.

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Surveyor

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All good! I may need therapy...one more hill to climb...I thought I was making progress. :) Banjos rock. I have a feeling someday I will have the same struggle!

Mr. B

Wind me up and watch me go!

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roy.carpenter

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Be careful, Dean. I made the same mistake and some dobro player at a jam ended up leaning over and saying, "Roy: I am your father!" with James Earl Jones's voice.

Roy Carpenter

And to think of all the time I wasted not playing the banjo...

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1four5

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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  02:45:26  View 1four5's Photo Albums  View 1four5's Blog    Reply with Quote


Good one Roy ...

quote:
And pray tell, which wood is your great sounding Helix rim made from? Just curious.


I got his maple "Sunbeam" rim, serial #3. I'd been reading his comments and very interesting posts for the last year. Having an open mind, I decided to try one for myself. Now I know why Helix can say what he does... because his banjos can back up every word! Fantastic machines! And he is a really great guy to work with, and really good prices for a custom build, with e-mails and photos along the way.

Paul, I actually use 4 fingers (thumb and three finger picks) ... I've never tried two-finger! But you're right... the longer I play, the more "never say never" applies

Dean


Edited by - 1four5 on 11/04/2009 02:48:46

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country frankPlayers Union Member

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Amen to the Helix brand.

Larry, what have you done to Dean?

This just 'aint right.

Proud Union Man

Regards from London.


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frailinPlayers Union Member

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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  06:31:26  View frailin's MP3 Archive  View frailin's Classified Ads  View frailin's Photo Albums  View frailin's Blog    Reply with Quote


Hey Dean

I played Scrugg's style BG for 15 years. It was "ok." I converted to CH on a whim. Best decision I EVER made (and I've never looked back).

* Now I can SING with my banjo!
* I can play lead or backup without overwhelming the other members of the band
* I'm more about rhythm than notes (which I like)... I CAN get people to tap their toes
* Open-backs weigh a whole lot less

If you come this way, don't tell others... pretty soon NO one will be playing 3-finger any more!

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thetexan

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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  07:33:49  View thetexan's Photo Albums  View thetexan's Blog  Reply with Quote


1four5,

You must listen to me......it's not too late. Sure it sounds good (you say) but think of the coolness factor. Think of the hoards of girls that will no longer be mysteriously drawn to you because you dont have a resonator, but who will flock to the rest of us who do! Think of the raised eyebrows at the jam sessions when they see a open back coming...everybody knows you can't REALLY play Shuckin' the Corn on an open back.

And the temptation to give up the picks and 3 finger style for, dare I say it....can I utter the words ......clawha ....clawhammmmm .....clawwwwhaaaaaa.......that other style.... will just be too great!

Think of your family, man! Think of what you will put them through!

Come back to us, the ones who love you. Put the resonator back on the Goodtime and let's put an end to this foolishness.

Here is a number you can call...1-800-RESONATOR. The people there understand what you are going through and can help. They have meetings where you can get together with other guys like youself who are struggling with this issue. They have loaner resonators and no one plays without picks. Give them a call before it's too late.

tex




Edited by - thetexan on 11/04/2009 07:35:54

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rjanecek

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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  08:26:13  View rjanecek's MP3 Archive  View rjanecek's Classified Ads  View rjanecek's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


Dean, I headed over that way too a few years back. I still keep the picks around as well as a proper BG banjer. But love the open back way

embrace it

Rick


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1four5

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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  08:44:50  View 1four5's Photo Albums  View 1four5's Blog    Reply with Quote


Hey Tex, I called the number you provided... and they said I had to enroll in a 12 bar program ...

My Goodtime still has the resonator on it... and I have realized that one drawback of an open back is that it would be harder to smuggle secret RK documents inside it, without a resonator. But since I'm not into secret agent stuff, I guess it's not much of a delimma

quote:
* I'm more about rhythm than notes (which I like)... I CAN get people to tap their toes


I've always been this way. The wonderfull people I play with are very talented musicians, and there's already plenty of melody notes flying all over the place. My job is to augment them, provide a nice rhythm, add some sweet fill, and never try to compete or step on eachother. I play with 4 fingers, and do a lot of rhythmic double and triple pulls, and even a fake clawhammer pattern with picks. We play bluegrass but it's only a small part of our music. My style developed with a resonator banjo, however, it seems to be even better on my open back. In the past, I'd always loved the simplicity and weight of open backs, but until my Helix, I never had one that stood a chance!

Dean

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Your eyelids are getting heavy. You are growing tired, so tired, You can't carry that heavy lead slab any farther. YOu want a simple light banjo and to free yourself of those steel picks. You hear a tune. "Turkey in the Straw" is calling to you. You can hear it in the blue mist of dusk. Close your eyes and sing:


Well we had a little chicken but it wouldn't lay an egg....






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supah_g

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Posted - 11/04/2009 :  17:57:13  View supah_g's MP3 Archive  View supah_g's Photo Albums    Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by oldwoodchuckb

. You hear a tune. "Turkey in the Straw" is calling to you. You can hear it in the blue mist of dusk. Close your eyes and sing:


Well we had a little chicken but it wouldn't lay an egg..




I was thinkin' more like .... "I saw the light"

Welcome to the "Dark Side" Dean! Next thing you know, you'll be planting a capo on the 2nd, tuning to double C, and not having to reach quite so far... Enjoy the path of lesser resistance.

I have an excess resinator or two kickin' about - damned awkward things to store neatly. Can't seem to give 'em away! Ahh, but truth be told, I still have one piece of heavy artillery, but she don't see near as much action as the ones in the 7lb range neither.

Cheers,
g.

PS - open back folk don't "suck" anyone over. As others have suggested, your transformation, might be attributed to a higher calling - one that you are now "open" to receive. The "sucking" sound must be coming from elsewhere.

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