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Vega Sonny Osborne
submitted 5/22/2012

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

Clydes Guns & Banjos

Year Purchased

2012

Price Paid

1+ ($US) (bought USED)

Sound


Traditional bluegrass, and it's great, far exceeding my expectations for sound. Loud and SOLID with good "twang". More substantial sounding than a VEGA Scruggs model. While I'm playing it, it sounds and feels to me to be very close to the great Scruggs Foggy Mountain Banjo LP sound, which I did NOT expect! Not a flat head Mastertone, but a great banjo all the same.

Sound Rating

9

Setup


Yes, set up fine with a 5/8" Ode bridge, which I replaced with a Snuffy Smith 11/16", but no other adjustment was needed. I have never dared to tackle those VEGA neck adjustment set screws!

Setup Rating

9

Appearance


Mint condition, a "closet queen". Typical 60s VEGA stain pattern, but hardly a fingerprint on it. The only thing "jarring" was the tailpiece is chrome plated but the rest of the banjo is nickel plated. I replaced tailpiece anyway with a nickel plated new Presto style, which I prefer in general. The nicest curly maple I've seen in any 60s VEGA resonator. The unique inlays are the BEST thing about its appearance.

Appearance Rating

10

Reliability


All 60s VEGAs are known for thin finish, which wears quickly on the neck. But no wear at all on this banjo. Metal parts are TOP quality. Nothing unreliable about this banjo.

Reliability Rating

9

Customer Service


VEGA of course is long gone. But Clydes Guns & Banjos were EXCELLENT to deal with. They threw in some freebies too.

Customer Service

10

Components


Unique peghead shape, unique inlays! Whyte Laydie/Electric tone ring. Otherwise standard 60s VEGA parts and finish, which are fine. Planet style tuners. I did swap out the standard 60s tailpiece for a new Presto.

Components Rating

9

Overall Comments


I knew what this banjo would look like, so it met my expectations. I did not expect it to sound so good however!!!!! This is a FINE vintage instrument for which I find NOTHING to be apologetic. Also highest props to Clyde's Guns & Banjos who are just GREAT!

Overall Rating

10


Ramsey Fretless Special
submitted 12/18/2011

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

BHO Classifieds Want To Buy

Year Purchased

2011

Price Paid

Don't Remember (bought USED) historic exchange rates / currency converter

Sound


Wonderful deep plonky 12" head sound with the steel strings that came on it, also with Nylguts which I installed. Put on a 3/4" tall Morris "minstrel" bridge with the Nylguts so I can get a good "purchase" on the strings with my right hand and really snap them hard. I'm into old stroke style more than Round Peak style.

Sound Rating

9

Setup


Set up fine for steel strings when received. No issues changing it to Nylgut strings after deciding to tie little bowline knots for the "No Knot" tailpiece! Needed a high bridge, so with BHO advice I bought a 3/4" Morris from Elderly. Slid the bridge around to get the 1st string "5th fret" position to be where I like it, right opposite the 5th string tuner.

Setup Rating

10

Appearance


Very curly maple in the neck, and BEAUTIFUL stark black ebony fingerboard, Saturn in peghead and "shooting star" at 5th peg area, are beautiful. This is old enough (Appamatox-made) that it has a nice walnut brown cap material on the bottom of the rim, I don't know what it is. A simple but beautifully designed and executed banjo. Even the "cut" under the 5th peg where the neck narrows down, is a beautiful piece of wood carving. Only thing I would desire different or more is white binding on the fingerboard. Oh, it had a Renaissance head on it, someday I may try a Miller pre-mount for a cleaner white look (which I prefer).

Appearance Rating

9

Reliability


5 star planet tuners are fine of course, standard geared 5th peg. No Knot tailpiece. I'm not familiar with the sourcing on the pot metal hardware, but it's all perfectly fine, and secure.

Reliability Rating

10

Customer Service


Haven't dealt with the maker at all, but the BHO member who offered to sell it to me was excellent to deal with, no issues at all. He answered my Want To Buy classified ad. My research had convinced me I wanted a Ramsey.

Customer Service

not rated

Components


Parts all excellent. Standout features are thin 12" rim, simple rolled brass tone ring, GORGEOUS curly maple, stark black ebony board, the unique Saturn and delicate shooting star inlays.

Components Rating

10

Overall Comments


Delighted with this banjo, my first Ramsey and first fretless. This banjo has facilitated me getting WAY BACK into stroke style and dance pieces. I've got plenty of old Mastertones, it's fun to have such a wonderfully made instrument from the USA that doesn't cost an arm and a leg! I can't imagine a better value.

Overall Rating

10


Cases (Hard, Flight) TKL Professional Case 8940BK
submitted 5/18/2011

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

Acoustic Outfitters

Overall Comments


Excellent hard case, not too heavy. Stout wood construction, no "flexing" of the sidewalls. Plentiful latch hardware (about two too many in fact), very secure (no dreaded combination lock). Nice short nap maroon "velour" cushion lining, not long nap fur/fluff shag carpeting. Mastertone fits perfectly. Soft cushy leatherish handle. Good big box under the neck, and good neck supports. Paid well under $200, an excellent value. (List price on internet over $300?). Also love that terrific "chocolate candy" smell that most TKL's have. "Made in Canada" tab to open the string box.

Overall Rating

9


Recording King RK 25 resonator
submitted 4/22/2011

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

Gruhn, did not purchase, just tried it

Year Purchased

2011

Price Paid

575 ($US)

Sound


No tone ring, just beveled wooden lip on rim. Loud, and clear, but kind of "punky" compared to Mastertone-type banjo. Instant impression of the sound is "lightweight", which is also initial impression of the banjo when you pick it up. I was very curious about this banjo, but decided it's not for me. Kind of hard to compare this banjo to any other.

Sound Rating

5

Setup


Yes, well set up on the floor at Gruhn's. I would have tweaked it just out of curiosity, but there was nothing "wrong".

Setup Rating

8

Appearance


Looks better from the front than the back, where the dark walnut-type stain has sort of a "slap dash" thin and dull appearance, and stain intensity varies in the 3-piece spliced neck construction. Resonator and neck wood grain appears to have had no judgment or selective criteria used at all, but that helps keep the price point low, for sure. Nice sea shell inlays, good looking metal, fingerboard, peghead, etc. It's odd, but much cheaper instruments have much nicer stain/finish work.

Appearance Rating

6

Reliability


The hardware seems to be of same quality as all the higher priced RKs, nothing wrong at all, pretty much all Masterclone. Tuners were OK but nothing special. Hardware seems to be the best part of this model.

Reliability Rating

7

Customer Service


N/A

Customer Service

not rated

Components


I've never seen a 3 piece spliced neck before. I expect it is plenty strong, but the stain "took" differently on each individual piece, so it has a patchwork appearance. Hardware is the best. Wooden parts all "feel" right, but look cheap from the back. Personally, I admire the old fashioned pehgead and the nice sea shell inlays. Very well put together.

Components Rating

7

Overall Comments


An excellent "step up" banjo for someone who has gotten beyond beginner status on a $100-$200-$300 banjo. Not a Masterclone, but a very well put together instrument that is going to "feel" like a Masterclone except for its light weight. Not a "power" instrument by any means. If the stain job showed a little more care, I could really give it rave reviews. But the stain/finish detracts from the overall impression. But I'm sure that helps keep the price low. One would have to try it to determine if the tone/volume suits them, it's unlike any other banjo I can think of. Would not be a suitable "substitute" or "airline" banjo for someone used to a Mastertone. But it does have a unique price point, filling a price gap very nicely, if someone has this amount of money to spend. Can't get a much "better" banjo, even used, at this price point.

Overall Rating

6


Epiphone MB-100
submitted 1/23/2010

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

Saw at Guitar Center, did not buy

Year Purchased

2010

Price Paid

150 ($US)

Sound


A beginner's banjo, for sure. Very basic sound that except for a funny overtone on the 3rd string due to something with the nut, was quite adequate in terms of tone and volume.

Sound Rating

3

Setup


No, not set up well at all, not even assembled well. The neck was "cockeyed" to the plane of the pot, twisted a few degrees out of level. Bridge set way up in the middle of the head, tailpiece cranked down very tight. Some sort of problem in the nut on the 3rd string that made a sitar like buzz/ring. Head was sufficiently tight, no loose hardware.

Setup Rating

2

Appearance


Looks OK, matte finish medium brown stain. Plain fingerboard with dots. Paddle type Epiphone peghead.

Appearance Rating

3

Reliability


The tension hoop and bracket hooks looked VERY lightweight and not very strong, almost looked like aluminum or VERY shiny plated pot metal. Guitar type tuners like on old Vega Rangers. Thin sheet metal tailpiece seemed "adequate". Bracket shoes and bolts through rim looked normal.

Reliability Rating

3

Customer Service


N/A. Didn't ask about warranty.

Customer Service

not rated

Components


Yes, there are weak, cheap parts, but rather than upgrade them, someone learning to play would upgrade to a better banjo altogether. Not a banjo to be tinkered with. No standout parts other than adequately well formed wood rim and neck.

Components Rating

3

Overall Comments


I was stunned to see a new banjo for $150, so I had to try it. Got the bridge set right in a few seconds. Tuned up fine. Played OK although the twist in the neck angle made for some problems with clear fretting up the neck. Something wrong with nut at 3rd string made a buzz/ring I couldn't get rid of sitting there trying it.

For someone wanting to get a banjo to learn on from scratch, this banjo would be adequate IF there was access to someone who could do basic set up on it.

Cheap, but IMPRESSIVELY low price, for a kid or someone wanting to try the banjo to see if they can do it. I give it a good rating FOR THIS PURPOSE

Overall Rating

6


Gibson Top Tension Reissue RB 18
submitted 1/23/2010

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

EBay

Year Purchased

2009

Price Paid

$3000-$4000 range ($US) (bought USED)

Sound


A powerful bluegrass banjo. Bright, loud, clear, sonorous, etc. I need to play it a lot, fool with the head tension, strings and bridge to bring out its best. It seems a bit "restricted" somehow, not as open and throaty as it seems like it can be someday. Doesn't quite stand up to my 1990 Granada, which is and amazing banjo.

You play it harder, it gets louder. Without running out of gas. A solid volume machine.

It does seem to have a tendency to want to play a bit sharp on the 4th string, first 5 frets, unless I really consciously tune it to what sounds to me a bit flatter than I would tune my other banjos. But intonates fine up the neck on all strings. Maybe the way the nut slot is cut?

Sound Rating

9

Setup


The banjo was well set up with a 5/8" Huber bridge and the 3rd string wanted to buzz a bit up the neck, I understand it had been set up and adjusted by Huber, including loosening a tight tone ring fit. Installed a Huber head and bridge, etc. I put on a Snuffy Smith 3/4" radiused bridge, GHS Crowe strings, and have slacked off the head down to an F#, and now have it back up to G+. It was G#+ when I first got it. It's easy to fool with the head due to the top tension construction!

Found out IMMEDIATELY you need a capo with radiused bar to be able to capo fast and clean! I bought two, so I'm fine now. Standard Shubb or Paige has to be "rocked" into place and tightened HARD.

Setup Rating

9

Appearance


Drop dead gorgeous. Shiny gold plate with well executed engraving design that seems vaguely "western" or American Indian to me somehow. Deep Gibson black to yellow sunburst on VERY flamed maple. Clean rosewood fingerboard with the big inlays. Gold plate on armrest has been worn a bit, showing grey metal beneath. Not THE most beautiful Gibson I've seen, the old #6s are still my "10" rating for beauty.

Appearance Rating

9

Reliability


Rock solid hardware, with the possible exception of the "adjustable" armrest height which is a tiny bit loose at best, and the adjusting thumbscrew can't be tightened well. Irrational fear it might back out and fall off somewhere! Standard Presto type tailpiece.

Typical sturdy Gibson finish. Gold plate is probably over nickel, so I will be VERY careful not to wear through the gold anyplace other than the armrest. Look forward to the rosewood on the fingerboard darkening a bit with use, it's kind of medium red/brown now.

Reliability Rating

9

Customer Service


I've dealt with Gibson Nashville recently on a broken mandolin pickguard issue, and they couldn't have been more helpful. I don't expect to need them for anythng on this banjo.

Customer Service

10

Components


Of course this banjo is HEAVY due to the heavy top tension hoop. Built like the Rock of Gibraltar. All else is standard modern Gibson gold plated metal. Resonator is the "parabolic" carved style, with dished, not flat interior. The "standout" parts are the choice flamed maple and luxurious Gibson staining pattern, rich gold plate, huge amount of well done engraving in a geometric pattern, excellent old style two-band tuners, usual excellent Gibson fit and finish of wood, binding, parts, etc. Nothing requires upgrading except due to "taste" issues, for instance, it had white ivoroid tuner buttons, I installed butterscotch/amber buttons. I'll keep the Huber head.

Components Rating

10

Overall Comments


A fully satisfying edition of the Gibson top of the line in the early 2000s. No complaints, and I know as good as it sounds now, with more playing and a bit of tinkering I can probably get it to sound as good as I can imagine, which would match the 1990 Granada.

I know this banjo has more potential, I played it on a gig when I had the head down to F#, and while I was vamping chords HARD, I could feel the entire head "flapping", it was vibrating so hard. VERY loud. I've never felt a banjo do that before. As hard as I play, this banjo keeps giving, doesn't pooch out. By comparison the Granada doesn't seem to require quite as much effort, it's more "open-throated".

I consider my buy a true bargain for such a great banjo.

Overall Rating

9


Epiphone Epiphone Masterbilt MB500
submitted 12/19/2008

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

Seen at Sam Ash New Haven CT

Year Purchased

not purchased

Price Paid

$850 ($US)

Sound


Appears to be a good solid traditional Mastertone style banjo, made in Korea, at low price. Right in the music store it had a "decent" tradtional bluegrass tone and volume. Could be tweaked to be better like any banjo.

Sound Rating

6

Setup


Action was a bit low but not bad. 5th string action was far too low and buzzed on the frets a litlte. Head was moderately tight. Tailpiece was set very low and could not be adjusted with the fine thread screw provided. Couldn't overcome string tension. The banjo was playable though.

Setup Rating

5

Appearance


Showy curly maple in reso and neck. Very nice sunburst. Good finish work and bindings. Typical modern gold plate, nothing to rave about. VERY cheesy cast or pressed "engraving" in arm rest didn't suit me. Tailpiece was a clamshell style, very heavy and clunky and out of character for a Gibson style banjo. Nice rosewood fingerboard with swirly grain. Very nice unique "cloud" inlays in fingerboard and unique "thing" in peghead and Epiphone name.

Appearance Rating

8

Reliability


Banjo is VERY heavy, well up in the Mastertone range, maybe heavier? Once piece cast flange seemed "too thick" to my eye compared to Masterones. Clamshell tailpiece far too thick and heavy. Tension hoop and tone ring seemed of typical Mastertone style and the rim was typical heavy mutit-ply hard wood. Nothing flimsy or lightweight about this banjo.

Reliability Rating

8

Customer Service


I didn't buy, I was just shopping. Sam Ash salesman couldn't have been more accomodating, he let me take the resonator off and brought me picks! I know nothing about strength of Epiphone guarantee, etc.

Customer Service

5

Components


Weak: clunky imitation clamshell tailpiece. Pressed/cast fake "engraving" in arm rest. Tuners seem on the cheap side of acceptable. Remo head stamped Made in Taiwan. One piece flange casting seemed "too thick" to me. Does not include a case at standard Sam Ash advertised price, would have to buy a case.
Standout: Nice wood, sunburst and finish. Good fitting of bindings and wood to metal. Good looking tension hoop and tone ring. Very nice "unique" cloud inlays and Epiphone device in peghead. Decent modern gold plating.

Components Rating

6

Overall Comments


Was tagged at $999, with 15% off on Dec. 18 only. If on sale after Christmas I would buy as a "flying banjo" for the airlines. With tweaking, I think it would sound OK, like a decent Mastertone, with a unique cool "look". A banjo you wouldn't cry over if stolen or destroyed, but perfectly acceptable unless you're at the very top of the game. Apparently no longer being made. A decent "something" different inexpensive Mastertonep-type instrument. I'd like to own one if they go on sale.

Overall Rating

6


Vega Earl Scruggs Custom SR-5
submitted 10/30/2008

Submitter

The Old Timer

Where Purchased

via internet

Year Purchased

2008

Price Paid

1000 to 2000 ($US) (bought USED)

Sound


After working with set up a lot, it sounds REAL good, I'd say between a good Gibson arch top and a flat head. Plenty loud, VERY clear especially up the neck. Not quite as gong-sonorous as a good Gibson flat head. Have played once in a show, and in jams at several festivals where it has held its own and gotten good reviews. One particularly noticeable positive is the intonation up the neck is CLEARLY better than a typical Mastertone, quite a surprise.

Sound Rating

8

Setup


Banjo was not at all set up for bluegrass, appeared to be for more folkie style. Fooled with head tightness, found that this type Vega apparenlty can't be tap tuned to find right head tightness -- it always seemed to sound a high "C" (I set Gibson flatheads to G#). Sonny Osborne knew what he was doing with his GHS string set, they really gave this banjo some muscle and a bit of depth. I left neck setup where it is since I don't know how to adjust this model Vega (two little Allen screws go into the heel through the rim), and bought an 11/16" Snuffy bridge for it which works perfect. I felt I "lucked out" getting a good sound, since I really don't know "how to" on this type of Vega. But it plays great, with power, now.

Setup Rating

6

Appearance


This is the "second variant" with the Crown, bowties and diamond inlays, before it was officially named Earl Scruggs II. Other than the very plain "paddle" style peghead, I think it looks as good as any Vega of its period. Very well assembled, but has the typical "odd" 1960s Vega finish, typically worn away at left hand first position. Resonator shows some nice light curl in the maple. White inlays in ebony board look very good. Greatest surprise was finding out Earl Scruggs Custom (as it says on the yellow tag inside) is GOLD PLATED, not engraved, which I never knew of (have confirmed in old Vega brochures). Also has factory installed gold Vega D-tuners which look quite cool and work quite well. Factory "Nashville" tailpiece in the case, but replaced by VERY nice gold plated Oettinger-style "fingers" tailpiece that works GREAT, although I don't particularly care for its appearance. Gold plate is worn on tension hoop with nickel underneath showing. Between being a Vega Scruggs and gold plate, it really catches other banjo pickers' eye!

Appearance Rating

6

Reliability


Hardware is all best quality, will last forever. One tuner had a bit of play so I bought a Stew Mac planet style to replace it, appears to be an exact match! Gold plate is of the "modern" type that is easily worn down to reveal that awful nickel plate underneath. I'd replate it except I think these are relatively rare, so I'll leave it as-is. I have used this banjo on gigs, with no back up. It's as reliable as anything I own.

Reliability Rating

9

Customer Service


I visited the Vega factory in the late 60s in Needham Heights (my dad took me) and I WANTED one of these so bad (I was playing a Gibson RB 100 at the time) that it almost killed me. Of course, they're long gone now. Parts would be hard to find. For instance, tension hoop notch spacing is NOT the same as some Gibson tension hoops I have. I'm on my own with this one, relying on Stew Mac if I need help. The sale via internet, phone and UPS went perfectly fine.

Customer Service

5

Components


Maple resonator and 3 piece neck, factory installed Scruggs tuners, geared 5th appears original, "Nashville" steel but gold plated tailpiece, railroad spikes for 5th string, hard case (not original I don't think). I'm using the Weather King style head that 's on it, appears to be new. I was told it was recently re-fretted and fingerboard dressed by a luthier in California. Tone ring appears to be the "AudioSonic" as it was called by 1968, a TubaPhone style flat head but with rows of 4 thin short slots cut into the interior of the tone ring every couple inches. No holes, dumbbells or dog bones in tone ring, just slots. All metal is "bell bronze" according to Vega, no pot metal. Other than Vega's "odd" stain and finish, this banjo is all best quality stuff.

Components Rating

9

Overall Comments


I just saw a regular nickel plated Scruggs of about this same age sold on EBay for $1700. I feel as long as these trade in the teens like this, they are highly preferable for a bluegrasser to own/use than an Asian banjo at about the same price. American made, best quality parts, "interesting" to other banjo players to see and try, not plentiful, and if you're willing to fool with it to "discover" how to make it sound its best, a hell of a good bluegrass banjo. I remember in the late 1960s when Bill Emerson was reviewing banjos in Bluegrass Unlimited, his main complaint about Vegas (Scruggs and Osborne models) was that they were "too expensive" compared to Gibson, Ode, and Fender. He noted the somewhat "odd" finish they used but said the banjo is made from all best quality parts (unlike late 60s Gibson Mastertones which he totally panned as being cheaply made). Hard to believe these were the most expensive banjos of the day!! I'd like to see these get more bluegrass exposure.

Overall Rating

7


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