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Griffis - Posted - 08/28/2007: 22:02:22
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Originally posted by bigwaves
I found "URGH! A Music War" on a torrent last month. I looks like it was from a good VCR copy.
Awesome stuff.
I was in the Austin scene in the 80s. Raul's ,Club foot,etc. a LOT of good bands came out of here.
great thread.
Scratch Acid! Other Texas bands I really dug are Big Boys and The Offenders. Also Stickmen With Rayguns.
fstylemb1 - Posted - 08/28/2007: 23:56:10
Played a show w/ scratch acid and killdozer in '86. they both were awesome! i was a big fan of yow's jesus lizard after SA broke up. i used to correspond with the offenders-we must rebel! they actually played a show here in louisville. i have a live tp somewhere of killdozer here when they played a show w/ slint.
check out the new fretboard journal. there is a photo/essay on punk meets bluegrass. interesting that one of the guys from lungfish played the banjer as well as a guy from 1/2 japanese. the gal who wrote and took the pics put out that bk, "banned in dc". purty cool. as i told sjyokel, we are not alone!
Keep pickin'
Mike Bucayu
Bluegrass Anonymous
www.bluegrass-anonymous.org
www.myspace.com/bganon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fstylemb1/
Griffis - Posted - 08/29/2007: 07:30:33
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Originally posted by fstylemb1
Played a show w/ scratch acid and killdozer in '86.
Oh man, two of my fovorite bands. I LOVE Killdozer!
ruraltradpunk - Posted - 08/29/2007: 11:10:33
Damn, this just gets better and better! The gal who did "Banned in DC" wrote the FJ article? I'm trying to remember her name -Cynthia Connolly? Cynthia something I'm pretty sure. What a great book that was - such a brilliant document of that moment in time.
Jill
fstylemb1 - Posted - 08/29/2007: 11:24:54
yep. it was cynthia connally. she was pretty active in the dc scene. started seeing her name in the late 80s.
whatever happened to the killdozer guys? man they were great. wonder what ever happened to a lot of our old punk heroes. would be very interesting. jello biafra in a roscoe holcomb cover band? henry rollins doing recitations on bluegrass songs? ian mackaye and tesco vee doing a travelling flat and scruggs tribute band?
Keep pickin'
Mike Bucayu
Bluegrass Anonymous
www.bluegrass-anonymous.org
www.myspace.com/bganon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fstylemb1/
SlowPockets - Posted - 08/29/2007: 14:49:40
CBGB founder dies at 75
NEW YORK (AP) -- Hilly Kristal, whose dank Bowery rock club CBGB served as the birthplace of the punk rock movement and a launching pad for bands like the Ramones, Blondie and the Talking Heads, has died. He was 75.
Edited by - SlowPockets on 08/29/2007 16:04:35
wheatstraw - Posted - 08/29/2007: 21:11:30
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henry rollins doing recitations on bluegrass songs?
Man, if I could go my whole life without hearing another rollins recitation about ANYTHING, it would be too soon. 
JackJack - Posted - 08/29/2007: 21:45:34
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Originally posted by wheatstraw
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henry rollins doing recitations on bluegrass songs?
Man, if I could go my whole life without hearing another rollins recitation about ANYTHING, it would be too soon.
Does he not have a TV talk show now? I think I read about it somewhere, like People magazine or something. OMG! 
JackJack - Posted - 08/29/2007: 21:50:21
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Originally posted by SlowPockets
CBGB founder dies at 75
I think we've come full circle. CBGB - Country Blue Grass and Blue's club was introduced to punk rock. So, maybe it was bluegrass that met punk, not punk meets bluegrass. 
SlowPockets - Posted - 08/29/2007: 22:02:23
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Originally posted by JackJack
Does he not have a TV talk show now? I think I read about it somewhere, like People magazine or something. OMG!
He does and I happened to catch it the other day when he had Shane McGowan on as the musical guest, I would tell you Shane was drunk but you already knew that. Christopher Walken was the guest star. I don't remember much about the interview except they of course talked about the cowbell. Shane was great though as usual.
Griffis - Posted - 08/29/2007: 22:15:12
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Originally posted by fstylemb1
whatever happened to the killdozer guys? man they were great. wonder what ever happened to a lot of our old punk heroes. would be very interesting. jello biafra in a roscoe holcomb cover band? henry rollins doing recitations on bluegrass songs? ian mackaye and tesco vee doing a travelling flat and scruggs tribute band?
Aw man, would that not be cool? Actually, there was a band I was really fond of called No Trend and I know one of their members went on to play Old Time stuff...more 1920s jazz and earlier ragtime stuff, but still... Anyone remember Pain Teens from Houston? Their singer Bliss Blood now has a band called The Moonlighters in NYC. They also do old jazz standards and such. She wields a mean ukulele. As far as Killdozer, I wish I knew. Those cats were from Wisconsin and were one of the best. Hilarious and wry lyrics delivered over shrieking guitar slop and one of the most pummeling rhythm sections in all of rock and roll. I miss 'em. I know in the miid 90s they had an "F-You, We Quit!" tour that culminated in a live album of their final concert. But supposedly a year or so ago they had an "F-You, We Reunite!" concert, but it may have been a one-off show. One of them is a lawyer now I hear tell. "Banned in D.C."...haven't read it, but that was one fantastic song by Bad Brains. Those guys killed.
Edited by - Griffis on 08/29/2007 22:16:36
country frank - Posted - 08/30/2007: 05:41:39
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Originally posted by SlowPockets
quote:
Originally posted by JackJack
Does he not have a TV talk show now? I think I read about it somewhere, like People magazine or something. OMG!
He does and I happened to catch it the other day when he had Shane McGowan on as the musical guest, I would tell you Shane was drunk but you already knew that. Christopher Walken was the guest star. I don't remember much about the interview except they of course talked about the cowbell. Shane was great though as usual.
Slowpockets, McGowen regularly frequents a pub in Kilburn, central London. Freinds of mine have whitnessed one of his many drunken forays back into the limelight, as apparently he does turns singing to the regulars after hours in the back room. I have also heard that his health is shot to bits through rampant alcaholism, and the fact he is able to stand upright at all is a medical miracle. Regards from London. http://www.myspace.com/thehangingropesuk
bigwaves - Posted - 08/30/2007: 10:24:47
quote:
Originally posted by Griffis
quote:
Originally posted by fstylemb1
whatever happened to the killdozer guys? man they were great. wonder what ever happened to a lot of our old punk heroes. would be very interesting. jello biafra in a roscoe holcomb cover band? henry rollins doing recitations on bluegrass songs? ian mackaye and tesco vee doing a travelling flat and scruggs tribute band?
Aw man, would that not be cool? Actually, there was a band I was really fond of called No Trend and I know one of their members went on to play Old Time stuff...more 1920s jazz and earlier ragtime stuff, but still...
Anyone remember Pain Teens from Houston? Their singer Bliss Blood now has a band called The Moonlighters in NYC. They also do old jazz standards and such. She wields a mean ukulele.
As far as Killdozer, I wish I knew. Those cats were from Wisconsin and were one of the best. Hilarious and wry lyrics delivered over shrieking guitar slop and one of the most pummeling rhythm sections in all of rock and roll. I miss 'em. I know in the miid 90s they had an "F-You, We Quit!" tour that culminated in a live album of their final concert. But supposedly a year or so ago they had an "F-You, We Reunite!" concert, but it may have been a one-off show. One of them is a lawyer now I hear tell.
"Banned in D.C."...haven't read it, but that was one fantastic song by Bad Brains. Those guys killed.
Oh... the Pain Teens. Used to see them at The Island, under I59 bridge near downtown. A lot of good punk went down thee as well.
wheatstraw - Posted - 08/30/2007: 21:01:40
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Anyone remember Pain Teens from Houston? Their singer Bliss Blood now has a band called The Moonlighters in NYC. They also do old jazz standards and such. She wields a mean ukulele.
That's funny! I only recently found out about the Pain Teens having been a big Moonlighters fan for the last several years. The Moonlighters are awesome! Unfortunately, they just lost their steel guitarist Mike Neer who is one of the hippest sounding tricone steel guitar players since Sol Hoopii (see my icon  ). One of the guys from Helmet (not punk but close) was their original steel guitarist before he moved to the Pacific Northwest. Mike took over, developed an absolutely stunning style, and then just left that whole scene completely. Bliss also has a Delta blues band (can't remember the name currently). There are some very fine videos of the Moonlighters on youtube for those interested. Hawaiian swing is the Shizznit! Pat
Edited by - wheatstraw on 08/30/2007 21:02:36
DKB - Posted - 08/31/2007: 14:45:53
Ther is a very cool interveiw with Chuck Duckowski at markprindle.com. Check it out.
Be Blessed
DKB
SlowPockets - Posted - 08/31/2007: 16:40:30
Thanks Dan, that was a good read.
My questions are in bold punk rock print; his responses are in skinny new-wave tie print.
Chuck's answers seemed very well thought out and I love this line right here
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Let's popularize being nice and not killing each other. That can get totally mainstream as far as I'm concerned!
DKB - Posted - 08/31/2007: 18:03:33
The Duke is a genius. Without his ideas black flag would not have been close to the greatness they achieved. There is also a good interveiw with David Yow on the same site. I just found out he is in a new band called Qui and they are going on tour. I will be there. Even if the music is sub par the show that David Yow puts on is worth the price of admission. I saw Jesus Lizard 5 times and never once did they disappoint.
Be Blessed
DKB
SlowPockets - Posted - 08/31/2007: 18:14:46
Funny you said that because the David Yow interview was the very next one I read. Did you read the Jerry Only interview, I skimmed it? He's really got it together from a marketing standpoint, as evidenced by all the licensed products the band has out. He kind of lost me when he started talking about Slipknot, I think it's my music snobbery coming out, anytime any one mentions bands like that I just turn my brain off.
JackJack - Posted - 09/04/2007: 18:43:08
You gotta admit, The Misfits merchandise wouldn't be half as popular as it is if it weren't for Cliff Burton.
I didn't read the interview, but I would have never guessed Jerry Only was the marketing guy for the Misfits, I thought it was all Danzig. Now I wonder too, does Danzig get a cut? What exactly did happened to Danzig and the Misfits, did they have a falling out and hate each other? Samhain was a strange distancing move on Danzig's part. It was almost the same act, but different members.
Hummm....
wheatstraw - Posted - 09/04/2007: 22:09:52
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You gotta admit, The Misfits merchandise wouldn't be half as popular as it is if it weren't for Cliff Burton.
Ahhh yes...Cliff Burton RIP. I'm soooo glad I got to see Metallica multiple times with Cliff on bass. The other day a 17-year-old student of mine walked into class with a misfits shirt on. I said without thinking "Awesome!! I love the Misfits!!" He seemed really surprised that I even knew who the band was, a fact which I thought was pretty amusing. I told him that I used to go see the Misfits all the time. Although he definitely thought it was cool, I think he must have felt similar to the way I felt when I was his age in the mid-80s and I used to talk to adults who had seen Jimi Hendrix or early Black Sabbath live...LOL! The age difference is pretty vast between late teens and late thirties.  Man, it blows me away that Cliff died over 20 years ago...
fstylemb1 - Posted - 09/05/2007: 11:09:26
yep, i feel lucky to have seen metallica w/ cliff burton. they opened up for ozzy osbourne. we weren't there to see ozzy though, who incidently was so messed up, he fell off the stage. metallica kicked butt. we would skank around the old punk house listening to them as well as minor threat, misfits. etc. haven't heard anything about danzig in a while. i think i pissed him off during a recording session with him. while we were recording, news came out that roy orbison had died. they had worked together on the less than zero sdtrk. i asked glen if he was going to be the new travleing wilbury. he was not amused.
in the mid 80s, was in a band that did a mini tour w/ samhain.
Keep pickin'
Mike Bucayu
Bluegrass Anonymous
www.bluegrass-anonymous.org
www.myspace.com/bganon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fstylemb1/
JackJack - Posted - 09/05/2007: 14:16:09
Never got a chance to see Cliff with Metallica, nor the Misfits  . But I did get a chance to see Samhain once.
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I think he must have felt similar to the way I felt when I was his age in the mid-80s and I used to talk to adults who had seen Jimi Hendrix or early Black Sabbath live...LOL!
The age difference is pretty vast between late teens and late thirties.
I know what you mean. I see kids around wearing brand new Misfits, Minor Threat, Dead Kennedy's, etc.. T-shirts and patches. I saw a young girl at the Flea market wearing a Battalion of Saints t-shirt, but it was really old, like she got it from an older sibling back in the 80's. I had to comment on it and where she might have gotten it and told her that I actually have that album on vinyl. She looked at me like I was an old pervert or something. Oh, well. Mike, what were the names of the bands you were in? Ever make it out to Denver CO?
fstylemb1 - Posted - 09/05/2007: 14:54:52
the band i was in that danzig produced was kinghorse. the lp came out on caroline records.that was the last band i was in-87-92. before that was a band called solution unknown-we recorded an lp at inner ear in dc, and before that was a band called maurice,we did the mini tour with samhain in 85 or 86. the drummer and guitar player for maurice went on to form a band called slint while the singer and i formed kinghorse. none of the bands made it to denver. would have liked to.
a young punkish gal came into the shop one time. i asked her what bands she listened to. she named off a bunch of bands i had never heard of-i guess it was the new punk bands. i asked her if she listened to black flag or the DKs. she said," THat's old people music"
How funny is that!?!?!?
Keep pickin'
Mike Bucayu
Bluegrass Anonymous
www.bluegrass-anonymous.org
www.myspace.com/bganon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fstylemb1/
DKB - Posted - 09/05/2007: 17:31:29
There is a pretty funny video on you tube of Danzig getting knocked out by some guy in a band called the northside kings. If you have not seen it, check it out. I think it is hilarious as danzig takes himself way too seriously.
Be Blessed
DKB
fstylemb1 - Posted - 09/05/2007: 17:49:46
man oh man he got socked! was at a black flag show, henry had his usual gym shorts on only, some skinhead guy tagged him right in the you-know-whats! OUCH! made me cringe. he had a split second look where all life ran through his mind and then went back into his snarling. the skinhead guy was lucky he ducked out into the crowd.
Keep pickin'
Mike Bucayu
Bluegrass Anonymous
www.bluegrass-anonymous.org
www.myspace.com/bganon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fstylemb1/
JackJack - Posted - 09/05/2007: 17:56:59
Ha, I saw that Danzig video awhile ago. The song that was played when the fight scene was over "You're Still an A••h•••", I wasn't sure who it was referring too, Danzig, or the guy that punched him.
wheatstraw - Posted - 09/05/2007: 20:43:16
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There is a pretty funny video on you tube of Danzig getting knocked out by some guy in a band called the northside kings.
LOL!! That is too classic! Anyone seen the Kids in the Hall movie "Brain Candy"? I'm pretty sure that Bruce McCulloch's portrayal of the depressed grunge/metal singer was pretty much supposed to be a satire of Danzig. It hit a little too close to home. I think Danzig had little-man complex. If there ever was a Napolean of Punk, I would guess that Glen Danzig was it. Heck, both Keith Morris and Greg Hetson were really small too and they didn't have attitudes like freakin Danzig! BTW Jack, funny story about the girl with the Battalion of Saints shirt. I would have done the EXACT same thing and been met with the EXACT same response! Ah, the joys of getting old...
JackJack - Posted - 09/07/2007: 14:33:44
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Originally posted by fstylemb1
stumbled upon this:
http://members.aol.com/johnstabbbenefit/
Gov Issue was another fave of mine.
What an awful experience, I hate it when I hear about senseless violence. Hope they caught those little thugs. I'm glad to read that Stabb is pretty close to be back to normal and not totally wrecked.
SlowPockets - Posted - 09/09/2007: 08:57:56
I've got nothing to say really except that this thread is in desperate need of some Lemmy Kilmister.
JackJack - Posted - 09/10/2007: 15:49:56
Sweet.
May I transgress into the "Crossover" period? Seeing as we touched on the whiplash influence of Misfits for Metallica and a head-on collision into Motorhead (Lemmy is one ugly looking dude) influencing many punk bands, I just want to bring up some of the forgotten bands of the later 80's punk movement, some of which influenced me big time. DRI, Poison Idea, and The Accused being my favorites.
I remember lots of my friend hated DRI when they came out with the Crossover lp. And there were many violent battles in the pit between skinheads when the metal-head guys started showing up at the punk shows. It was those violent clashes that pretty much ended my involvement in the punk rock movement all together.
What you all think of that "crossover" thing?
Edited by - JackJack on 09/10/2007 16:08:50
SlowPockets - Posted - 09/10/2007: 16:58:26
Man that is a big question... When I was but a young punk rocker bands like The Sex Pistols, The Exploited, Misfits, Agent Orange, S.O.D., D.R.I., Corrosion Of Conformity, The Meatmen, Anthrax and a bajillion others in that vein all co-populated my tape deck so maybe I was crossover. Personally I think the violence was always there from the beginning , the metalheads had a particular brand of dumb jock like violence about them while the punks represented more of the thinkin' man's violence. I didn't notice any of the unity stuff pop up until well into the Fugazi and later Agnostic Front era. Although this could all be based on your geographic location at the time and group of people that you were around, a lot of it being closely related to the fact that many of us were a bunch of angry teenagers. It's an interesting question though and now that there is more involvement in old time/bluegrass my question is will we ever see a pit open up during The Orange Blossom Special?
DKB - Posted - 09/10/2007: 20:13:24
I loved the crossover stuff. It was the perfect blend of both worlds. I think the violence started because the metalheads percieved our circle pit as violence and proceeded to make it violent. Like all the boneheads from arvada that went to acid pigs shows. (sorry Jack just joking) Before that it was common practice if someone fell to pick them up, later if someone fell they just got trampled which was enough to keep my 140 pounds of not so raw power out of the pit. Slowpockets hit me up when you get a chance.
Be Blessed
DKB
SlowPockets - Posted - 09/10/2007: 21:46:11
Yeah I have been in some pits that were brutal and not friendly at all (Ministry, Mind is a terrible thing to taste) but I've been in some pits both *back in the day* and recently that were great, I went down hard in each and was immediately jerked back up to my feet and patted on the head to boot (Corrosion of Conformity and Melt Banana). It definitely broke along the metal/punk line, like you said Dan the metalheads just never really got it. Even now if you go to a true hardcore show the kids are all great and just having a good time or at least here in Atlanta they are.
DKB, I'm going for a stroll real quick I'll write you when I get back in.
Edited by - SlowPockets on 09/10/2007 21:48:08
JackJack - Posted - 09/11/2007: 13:11:22
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Originally posted by DKB
I think the violence started because the metalheads percieved our circle pit as violence and proceeded to make it violent. Like all the boneheads from arvada that went to acid pigs shows. (sorry Jack just joking)
Don't apologize for that, it's totally true. We had a following of metalheads from Arvada and all they would do is start fights. It was a total gang mentality. It sucked to go play up on stage and within 3 songs a violent fight broke out. SP: It must be geographic. I saw the Ministry, Mind is a terrible thing to taste tour (that cage thing was cool) and I had a great time in that pit. I remember, there were some young women in the pit at that show too, not bull types but girls. I meet one of my girlfriends in that pit! Ha, ha. I can't believe you just reminded me of that.
SlowPockets - Posted - 09/11/2007: 13:41:53
Yeah the cage was pretty cool, I distinctly remember that parts of it were ripped down halfway through the show. In retrospect a lot of the stuff that happened at that Ministry show could have been attributed to the bouncers in the front, they started getting really rough and I seem to remember they were involved in a lot of the fighting going on, we found out after the fact that a few of the bouncers had drug some folks out to the alley and beat em pretty good. One of my friends happened to get up by the band after the cage was ripped apart and dove off the stage. A riot erupted after that because the bouncers had a hold of his leg and were pulling him toward the stage while the crowd had a hold of his body and were pulling the opposite way, I remember seeing him kick one of the bouncers in the face pretty hard and then a guy jumped up from the crowd and smashed a bottle in another one of the bouncers faces and they finally let go. From that point on it was basically a melee, of course Ministry played on the whole while. Pretty wild times for sure...
krazykat - Posted - 09/11/2007: 17:02:54
hey all,
fyi the fretboard journal has a photo spread on punks at clifftop. now that punk planet is sadly out of print, it's hard to find good writing on punks (broadly defined) in different genres. you might want to check it out. it's pretty.
anne.
DKB - Posted - 09/14/2007: 22:33:43
I thought I would post just to put it to the top again and to vent a little. Since I have been coming to the HO I have noticed the ebb and flow of negativity. It will be nice and friendly for a few months and then one thread gets ugly. Next thing you know they are popping up all over the place. We have kept this one going for months and not one negative post. This from the most disenchanted generation in many generations. Has the angry music from our youth released all the pent up anger to enable us to be civil with one another? I may be rambling but If more people could see what we have going it may bring some balance to our banjo buddy club. One last thing I just wanted yall to know that I value and respect the opinions of EVERY person who has posted on this thread. I have even met a few people who I would call friends because of this thread. Thank you to each and every one of you for making my day so many times, I get so stoked evry time I see this thread make a come back. Once again I will say to all banjo wielding punk rockers I salute you.
Be Blessed
DKB
DKB - Posted - 09/15/2007: 19:00:05
Mike I had to talk to Murrel the other day, I was kind of hoping to talk to you as well but I got a little side tracked. I just busted out some drive like jehu this morning. I forgot how awesome those guys were.
Be Blessed
DKB
krazykat - Posted - 09/15/2007: 21:22:00
DKB - drive like jehu were incredible. do you know the hot snakes too? i really think that they were just as good - not surprising since they were about half drive like jehu guys. saw them live here in toronto a couple of years ago (before they broke up) and it was one of those shows that can renew your faith in an all-out guitar assault.
DKB - Posted - 09/15/2007: 21:43:45
I love the Hot snakes. You cant love one without the other. I always wanted to transpose paid in cigarettes to banjo.
Be Blessed
DKB
SlowPockets - Posted - 09/17/2007: 18:33:51
He was just jealous of this awesome thread! Mike are you guys setting up a booth at IBMA? If so I'll come by and holler at you when I get up there.
SlowPockets - Posted - 09/17/2007: 18:42:44
Speaking of Louisville... even though we weren't speaking of Louisville. They have been showing the funniest commercials on TV here lately. I guess they are designed to encourage people to move to Louisville. I thought they were just for Atlanta but it turns out they have them for a bunch of cities. Here's the video for the Atlanta ad, it's just a picture of a lady that looks like she's about to cry and there is some serious announcer guy talking about traffic. It's pretty funny.
Edited by - SlowPockets on 09/17/2007 18:43:26
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