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FXHERE - Posted - 06/22/2010: 13:37:45
Mike, It sure makes you wonder doesn`t it?? I sure would love to own that Gretsch banjo...I have never heard of it either...Eb man sure wish you had thought to make pictures...Wendy was such a beautiful girl and what a talent she was...A great loss...Doug
electricbanjoman - Posted - 06/22/2010: 17:27:03
Stanger & Phil
First Phil Thats a beautiful Arm rest , But it`s the first I`ve ever seen on any banjo.
I think you have a keeper there hoss.
& Stanger Yes I remember the old Baldwin guitars I remember Willie Nelson, and a few others played those Glenn Campbelle had a bass he used in his recording days with the Beach boys.
I remembe I had a Baldwin catalog, it had the guitars the amps the banjo`s & pianos as well, They had a flat top listed with two P-90 style pick ups and a Bigsby stle vibrato. There Amps were pretty good I remember Buck Trent had one of rthe amp`s he used wuith his electric Baldwin banjo ( now mine)
The only thing I didn`t like about the Baldwin guitars was a very larg scroll on the top of the peg head !!
God bles
Dan
DannyB - Posted - 06/23/2010: 16:46:04
Wow this thread has been going on for a while. I just brought home my banjo players ODE which is a 6505 "C" model sn 5-80-02 the he bought at Elderlys way back. I'm not sure if it was new or used when he got it but he wants me to help him sell it. I'm going to list it in the classifieds but not sure what to ask for it. I was watching the ones on here a few weeks ago but at the time I didn't know what model this one was. What would be a fair asking price if you guys don't mind? He's also selling a Stelling but that one I have an idea as info is easier to find. Thanks in advance for any help. I'll also try to check out the yahoo group but I hate to join just to try to sell a banjo. I'm picking this ODE for right now so I kind of hate to see it go but I have my own already.
Thanks,
Danny
stanger - Posted - 06/24/2010: 08:00:57
Hi, Danny...
Don't hesitate to join the Yahoo group to sell your banjo. The group site has the most and most accurate info on the brand. A good sale of any Ode helps to keep this old vintage brand thriving.
regards,
stanger
psikes - Posted - 06/24/2010: 08:22:50
How do you get onto the yahoo group? I tried over a week ago and never got confirmation that I was on the group?
Thanks - Phil
DannyB - Posted - 06/25/2010: 04:18:29
I joined it yesterday, just waiting for confirmation....Still if anyone on here has an idea what an ODE "C" is worth, that's ok too...
electricbanjoman - Posted - 06/25/2010: 06:43:02
It`s hard to say Danny,
I`ve seen them sell on Ebay from 3----6,500 for style D and about 9-- to 2,500 for style C, it depends what shape it`s in & if it has original case, the original paper work helps. These arn`t just one of the best playing banjo`s , But they are also a highly collected item. I wouldn`t sell any of mine for any amount good luck. God bless
Dan
Edited by - electricbanjoman on 06/25/2010 07:12:40
DannyB - Posted - 06/27/2010: 12:09:01
Thanks Dan, I started to buy it myself but I want him to get the best he can for it. He's looking for an RB-75 and every little bit helps...
JakeHouse - Posted - 08/07/2010: 14:01:25
where could I find a price estimate on a baldwin ODE from when they first bought ODE (when "baldwin" on a ribbon was the logo on the head of the banjo instead of "ODE")?
it has no serial number whatsoever
thanks
tom elder - Posted - 08/07/2010: 14:41:13
hey ode guys there are a couple of jim and jesse videos up right now with garland shuping showing why they were great.
Scooter Muse - Posted - 08/07/2010: 14:57:04
Barry Palmer owns a couple of Garland's Baldwins...
prewartb3 - Posted - 08/11/2010: 17:46:47
Has anybody changed out a 7ply rim from an Ode and replaced it with a modern 3ply? Any good results?
electricbanjoman - Posted - 08/11/2010: 17:58:59
I`ve kept mine original, I don`t think it could sound better than it does, most of my friends who have Gibson banjo`s love the sound of my Baldwin & my ODE`s. So i`m good.
My motot is if it ain`t broke don`t fix it.
God bless
Dan
stanger - Posted - 08/11/2010: 18:12:18
quote:
Originally posted by prewartb3
Has anybody changed out a 7ply rim from an Ode and replaced it with a modern 3ply? Any good results?
I own a D that had some drastic 'improvements' made to it, including some way bad holes drilled in the rim. I've played it as is for years, despite it's fragile neck connection and funky rim, and it sounds fine, but I contacted Tony Pass a few years ago to see if he could make a new rim. He was delighted at the prospect- he has made several of his block style thin skirt rims for Baldwins, and said his rim deepens the tone while retaining the Baldwin sparkle. If I ever get around to sending the neck to Tommy George to fix the broken lag in the heel, I'll probably send the rim to Tony at the same time and have him make me a thin skirt for it. I have no doubts it would be an even better banjo afterwards. Then, all I have to do is get it replated, refinish the hammered neck, clean up the metal Baldwin ribbon, and I'd have a real loss leader! It sure looked good on those eBay pictures.... regards, stanger
mikehalloran - Posted - 08/13/2010: 12:01:56
>Then, all I have to do is get it replated, refinish the hammered neck, clean up the metal Baldwin ribbon, and I'd have a real loss leader! It sure looked good on those eBay pictures....<
Who among us hasn't been down that road? I paid $2,000 to have edge work done on an old carved student bass - bet I could get at least $1,500 for it now. Uh huh...
stanger - Posted - 08/13/2010: 12:37:04
Sadder and wiser, Mike...
Things could have been worse. The guy I bought the banjo from re-funded me $250. He bought it at a garage sale, and knew nothing about banjos at all.
I didn't mention that the frets had been 'levelled' with a bastard file, which dug up the fingerboard quite thoroughly, or that the nut was broken, or that the neck was shimmed exactly in reverse from what it should have been. Or half the tuning pegs didn't work. Like I said, it all looked good on eBay, many years ago.
Even with all that damage, the banjo still sounded good, even if it was barely playable. Once the frets were replaced, the fingerboard was planed, and all the terrible shims were removed, it has the nicest action of any banjo I own.
regards,
stanger
FXHERE - Posted - 08/14/2010: 08:24:16
Mike I`m glad you were able to save a gem like that for others to see and hear....
electricbanjoman - Posted - 08/14/2010: 09:18:28
I`ve been lucky I`ve never played or owned a bad ODE or Baldwin,
I`ve repaired a couple od C`s that were worse for the wear, But with a new head & some tweecking on the truss rod maybe a bit of dressing the frets & they were were as smooth as silk. I keep telling everybody it`s the neck length that makes these banjo`s play so well, I have a 60`s VEGA VIP that has the longer neck & it`s a fantastic picking banjo. The sound was bad so I made it electric But the neck action is great like an ODE
Now the krisp sound of the ODE Baldwin banjo`s comes from the thin body, I`ve taken Gibson`s & made the resonator thinner & they get that krisper sound as well.
Dan
FXHERE - Posted - 08/14/2010: 11:57:25
Dan I have wondered about that..I never built a resonator for a Gibson but I have placed a piece of plywood in the bottom and it makes a difference...The top tension Gibbys have a smaller volume reso and they have that different sound...Doug
mvolcjak - Posted - 08/14/2010: 15:38:36
Dan.
Yes, the scale length does make a difference. You are right on with that observation.
I had a standard Gibson scale repro neck (26 3/8) on my Gibson '28 TB4 (solid arch top). I did not like the sound, or the shorter scale length's feel.
I re-necked it with a Baldwin scale (27 1/8) neck. This not only made it more comfortable to play, but improved the overall tone, volume and “balance” of the banjo. I really think that the larger neck (more mass) along with the altered bridge placement, (the longer scale moves the bridge closer to the center of the head), really improves the overall sound of the instrument. While my Gibson does not sound like my Baldwin, it definitely sounds much better with the Baldwin scale neck than it did with a traditional Gibson neck.
Take it Easy … MarK
hicotton - Posted - 08/14/2010: 20:00:50
quote:
Has anybody changed out a 7ply rim from an Ode and replaced it with a modern 3ply? Any good results
Tommy George made a two-piece block tapered rim for my 'D' three years ago and I've been very pleased with the sound - like Mike described, its a little deeper than before, but still a very clean sound.
electricbanjoman - Posted - 08/14/2010: 20:10:57
Mark & Doug I`ll tell you something else that will krisp up the tone, I haven`t done it for a while, But I took a Japan made banjo & sprayed the nside of the resonator with polyurathane sealing the grain making it harder, It was like the sound bounced off faster or something, I also put a five star white frost head & cranked up the tentsion, The thing even with a cheap tone ring sounded great. A few weeks later a freind had me to do his Earl Scruggs Gibson, resonator & head the same way. It made the biggest difference in sound & It gives the banjo a solid crack, none of that buckety eco stuff.
Dan
mikehalloran - Posted - 08/14/2010: 23:51:50
27 1/8" was the Vega Professional scale. ODE/Baldwin, the early OME, Salstrom/Fender all used it.
The new Recording King Elite will have a 27 1/2" scale.
electricbanjoman - Posted - 08/15/2010: 06:59:36
I`d like to try out that RK R97 SN Delux Artist one time ! I`ll bet it`s a real sounder, But I didn`t see anything on their site to indicate the neck length of any of the banjo`s.
Dan
stanger - Posted - 08/16/2010: 16:07:35
quote:
Originally posted by FXHERE
Mike I`m glad you were able to save a gem like that for others to see and hear....
Hi, Doug... It's far from being a gem, but it could sure become one. I don't play it much anymore after I bought my '68 D, even though the pair sound a lot alike. The 68 also needed re-finish work, but was in excellent structural condition. Maybe one of these days I'll consider selling it, but I'm in no hurry, and who knows? If I ever decide to have Tony make a new rim for it, and get Tommy George to put it back to sound structural condition afterward, I may prefer it to the 68. That particular banjo is like an Austin Healy a friend once owned. He described the car as being a beautiful glamor girl who was fun, thrilling, sleek, and had an expensive crack habit. I go back and forth on it, because I've already dumped a bunch of money into it, but every buck I spent made it better and better. At least it has fewer parts than an Austin-Healy! regards, stanger
mvolcjak - Posted - 08/16/2010: 22:16:51
Dan,
Sealing the inside of the resonator with polyurethane sounds like an interesting idea. But, like you, I also believe if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
My Gibson, as an arch top, needs nothing more than a tight head to brighten it, and my Baldwin simply does not need improving.
By the way, I saw Buck Trent on RFD TV the other night. He was playing an electric Baldwin, much like yours. The major difference is that he had a later ODE only banner neck, instead of the Baldwin banner neck yours has. He was playing standard Bluegrass stuff on an electric banjo and it worked. Anytime I have messed around with “electric” banjo, it always sounded like so much mush. The obvious thing here is that Buck Trent knows what he is doing when it comes to electrifying an instrument.
Take it Easy ... MarK
psikes - Posted - 08/20/2010: 14:54:22
I am in need of replacing the head on my Baldwin Ode long neck. The Fyberskin that is on it now is delaminating. Has anyone tried a Renaissance head on one of these and if so what did it do to or for the sound. I have never seen or heard one before so hence the question.
Thanks - Phil
electricbanjoman - Posted - 08/20/2010: 17:20:13
Mark that ODE neck is one I got Buck for his electricbanjo back in 83 or 84, The Baldwin neck you see on my electric was Bucks old neck. Buck`s Baldwin I was told by Shot Jackson was an "E prototype" I`ve since heard different, All that aside, the banjo was ran over buy Porters bus in the early 70`s The neck was broken & repaired by Sho Jackson in Nashville. Now Shot Originally made that Baldwin Electric for Buck in 1966, After leaving the Porter Wagoner TV show in 1974 Buck used the Baldwin with the repaired neck on HEE HAW a couple of times, Then one evening the HEE HAW backdrop fell over & broke the neck again, I did some Duet shows with Buck in the 80`s & bought Buck a new neck in 83 & traded Buck out of the Baldwin neck. That's how I got it , I repaired it myself & have used it ever since.
Over the years I`ve made Buck an electric Baldwin C Banner banjo that I re inlayed the neck with fancier inlay, & many parts for the one you saw he him use. I`ve made several of the electric banjo bridges, The custom D tuners, 5 string Pick ups & Baldwin style parts for Bucks banjo, I also made buck a guitar many years ago.
And I`ve made & used electric banjo`s in the style of Bucks since 1964, I saw Buck doing it in 62 & just had to do it.. I play bluegrass banjo songs on mine as well. It depends on your the style of picking, Buck is a master of the banjo period ! The way you wear the picks & amp you`re using also make a difference Our electric Banjo`s use a steel guitar style pick up which is made to pick fast licks on. It`s also in the way you lay your hand over the strings to sort of kill the sustain. I have several of the electric steel guitar type banjo`s, I also use an electric bluegrass that's my Baldwin ODE, I also have a banjo that sounds like a flattop , And one that sounds like a classical guitar. I love the things, They are all like art to me, I see guitars, & even motorcycles the same way like art. I have a couple of songs on You tube & a couple on the hangout where I`m using at least two of the electric`s Give um a listen God bless
Dan
P.S. the spraying of the resonator was only if you have a banjo that has no ping, I`ve never had to do that to a Baldwin or ODE they have a bright sound anyway But I have ran into banjo`s that simply would not ping And thats one sure way to brighten them up. God bless
Edited by - electricbanjoman on 08/20/2010 17:29:51
stanger - Posted - 08/20/2010: 22:19:28
quote:
Originally posted by psikes
I am in need of replacing the head on my Baldwin Ode long neck. The Fyberskin that is on it now is delaminating. Has anyone tried a Renaissance head on one of these and if so what did it do to or for the sound. I have never seen or heard one before so hence the question.
Thanks - Phil
Hi, Phil... Yup. I use a Ren on my '68 D. Measure the crown height of your old head- I had to take a heat gun to the Ren to loosen it up enough to allow the neck notch in the tension hoop to go down far enough not to interfere with the string action. Not all the Baldwins had the shallow notch in the hoop, though. If you liked the Fyberskyn, you will probably like the Ren better. The Renaissance keeps the deep tone, but it's livelier and more more responsive than the Fyberskin. I like Rens- I have them on 4 diffrerent banjos. regards, stanger
mikehalloran - Posted - 08/21/2010: 12:08:46
quote:
Originally posted by psikes
I am in need of replacing the head on my Baldwin Ode long neck. The Fyberskin that is on it now is delaminating. Has anyone tried a Renaissance head on one of these and if so what did it do to or for the sound. I have never seen or heard one before so hence the question.
Thanks - Phil
Phil, since my MUSE still has a Fyberskyn II, take this for what it is worth. I have replaced Fyberskin II with Elite II heads on two of my Tubaphones. I am not sure if they were louder afterwards but they did brighten up a bit and appeared to be able to take more tension.
hicotton - Posted - 08/26/2010: 19:51:34
Can we take a change in direction, but keep this thread alive?
Now that I have a travel banjo built on the traditional Masterclone pattern, I'm wondering if you guys think that Odes are less "forgiving" than other banjos? By that I mean mistakes, mis-strikes, muffed pulloffs and just some overall sloppiness (let's just call it what it is - we're family here, right?) - is more pronounced on an ODE?
Is it due to a thinner neck, a clearer sound, more volume or am I just imagining?
electricbanjoman - Posted - 08/26/2010: 20:37:20
Well it`s like any thing else, you get use to what you use the most, I hasve several guitars & banjos, I`ve noticed that when I use a thicker neck instrument & change back to a thinner neck you have to readjust, not only is the ODE neck thinner but it`s a little bit longer , the resoinator is thinner, and a bit smaller in roundness, all these things can cause you to under reach a note or string. my problem is when I change from an ODE to picking a Gibson or one of the copy`s the neck tends to be thicker at the nut, an shorter, the resontor makes the Gibson set out farther. causing me to midsplace a finger every now & then, But it`s the same way on my guitars I use a Fender Telecaster & an SG Gibson most of the time, those two guitars feel about the same but when I change & start using my Moserite electric Hollow body The neck is longer the body is thicker & the strings are set higer and closer together same way with my Les Paul, & When I use my flat top in Church it takes a few practice licks to get the feel of that 2x4 neck LOL at least thats how it seems to me.
God bless
Dan
BrittDLD1 - Posted - 08/29/2010: 08:25:28
I posted this response over on the BHO "Swap Shop: Buy, Sell, Trade" topic:
banjohangout.org/topic/184406/#2350400
The discussion concerns Ken Hamilton's Baldwin Style D -- which is in the
BHO Classifieds:
banjohangout.org/classified/14611
I thought the information it contains would be of interest to the general ODE
Community as well....
Hi -
First of all... in the case of Ken Hamilton's Baldwin, it's NOT simply condition, or
playability, that determines its value. (Although it certainly has BOTH of those.) It
also has true 'collector' value.
Ken's is the "earliest-known" Baldwin Style D resonated 5-string (#277), so far.
There probably were a few earlier Style Ds made, but no other examples have
turned-up...YET. Unfortunately, there are no existing factory records for that time.
(Although we do know that Bobby Thompson's Baldwin was #294)
Baldwin announced the purchase of ODE on June 6th, 1966. #277 was made
in late-1966. That was 44 years ago...
I became aware of "collectible" instruments, in 1968. Players had begun scouring
house sales, Salvation Army stores, and thrift shops, looking for "pre-war" instru-
ments. I was lucky enough to become friendly with a couple of them.
44 years before 1968 was 1925 --
Edit: Oops!... Poor math skills... 1968 – 44 = 1924.
So... One year later, 1925, was... the year that the full-resonator Mastertone
Ball-bearing was first introduced. But... from 1942 to 1970, the major banjo
companies -- Gibson, Vega, and Bacon (by Gretsch) -- were producing the
WORST banjos those brands ever made!
The drop in quality started with the Depression, and the subsequent switch guitar-
driven Jazz. The restriction of materials, during WWII, was the final nail in the
banjo's coffin. However, despite a major resurgence of interest in the banjo --
during the the simultaneous revival of both Dixieland Jazz, and Urban Folk Boom,
starting in the early-1950s -- Gibson, Vega, and Bacon only responded in a half-
hearted manner. (Probably due to the availabilty of cheap used banjos, from the
'20s and '30s...)
The one type of banjo that was NOT available, used, was the "longneck" folk banjo
-- developed by Pete Seeger, during the early-1950s. With the Folk Boom booming,
Vega, Gibson and then Bacon(Gretsch) finally responded to that specific Folky desire,
starting in the late-'50s.
But... the longneck banjos made by the major companies were still so-so quality,
and still expensive.
Seeing the need for an inexpensive folk banjo, Chuck Ogsbury started ODE in late-
1960. His first run of 100 longneck aluminum-rim openbacks, were pretty crude.
(I have a couple of them.) But he sold ALL of them.
In less than 5 years, ODE was making better-quality banjos, for less money, than
ANY of the major companies of that time period.
With the burgeoning interest in Folk Music, Southern Bluegrass gained a new
audience, as well. And players soon began searching for resonated 5-strings, and
studied 'The Banjo according to Scruggs'. Unfortunately... those resonated banjos
were mostly 4-string banjos. That was great for the Dixieland players -- but the
Bluegrass players were out of luck.
A new cottage-industry developed, around making 5-string necks to swap onto the
old '20s and '30s 4-string rims. Gibson, Vega, and Bacon soon dusted-off their old
designs, refurbished their old tooling, and started making resonated 5-strings.
Chuck Osgbury created his own resonator banjo designs, based on the '20s banjos.
He created new tooling to make the wood and metal parts, and began producing
5-string resonated Bluegrass banjos. In 1964, with the help of Kix Stewart, Chuck
developed ODE's line of wood-rim cast-flathead banjos.
ODE's high-end wood-rim Styles D, E, and F -- made from 1965 to '66 -- rivaled
some of the NY Epiphones, of the late- 1920s. (Which, were superior in quality to
any Gibsons of the '20s. But the Epiphones were also more expensive.)
In the 5-1/2 years, between late-1960, and June of 1966, ODE produced a TOTAL
of approximately 2500 banjos. (During the late-1920s, EACH of the major banjo
companies were producing more banjos than that -- every year.)
Of those 2500 ODE banjos, what percentage were high-grade models? How many
were high-grade, wood-rim, cast-flathead BLUEGRASS models? (Hint: You think
Gibson flatheads are rare?...)
The Boulder-made ODE banjos, produced under Chuck Ogsbury's direction, are
RARE banjos -- simply by definition! The wood-rim cast-flatheads are VERY RARE.
When Baldwin assumed ownership, in June of 1966, they contracted with Chuck
Ogsbury to stay-on, and help with the transition. During that time, Chuck worked on
all of the changes to the models, tooling, and fixtures -- necessary to turn the original
ODE designs into the early Boulder-made "BALDWIN" banjos.
The high-end engraved ODE Style E and F models were discontinued -- as was the
use of Brazilian rosewood for necks, and resonators.
The original ODE Style A, and and ODE Style C models were also dropped. (The
Style C -- at least in name -- would eventually make a comeback, as a Baldwin model,
in late-'68.)
The BALDWIN Style D would be the new "Flagship" banjo. It was produced in Walnut,
and available ONLY as a cast-flathead resonated version -- in choice of 5-string, Tenor,
or Plectrum necks.
The BALDWIN Style B was the lower-level wood-rim, made of mahogany. It was the
only Baldwin wood-rim available in ALL neck styles -- and in both openback and
resonated versions (The Baldwin Style B was discontinued, with the introduction of
the new Baldwin Style C, in late-'68)
The BALDWIN Style 2 was the entry-level aluminum-rim version. It was also available
in ALL neck styles -- and in openback and resonated versions. The rim was diecast
from the orginal ODE "Series 30/40" tooling. But there were a number small differences
between the Baldwin diecast aluminum-rim (24-brackets), and the ODE diecast rim
(28 brackets with dowelstick).
Chuck Ogsbury stayed on, with Baldwin, for 6 months, and then left to persue other
interests. That means that Ken Hamilton's Style D #277 was made under Ogsbury's
direction.
An approximate TOTAL of only 550 BALDWIN banjos (of ALL types, and models) were
made in Boulder. Baldwin closed the Boulder shop, in late-March of 1968 -- and moved
banjo production to Arkansas.
So... HOW MANY of those 550 Boulder-made BALDWINS were the top-of-the line, Style D
5-string BLUEGRASS banjos? (Not many... But we don't know the exact number...Probably
less than 100. About 15-20%.)
And how many of THAT small number of Boulder-made Style D 5-strings, were actually
made under Ogsbury's direction -- during the first 6 months? A dozen? Two dozen?
(I can tell you that they worked-out the production bugs on the low-end models, first...
And it took longer to produce the Style D than any of the other models.)
Other changes also occurred when production moved to Arkansas. Those changes allow
Baldwin enthusiasts to spot a Boulder-made Baldwin from across the room. The loss of
the "propeller", at the 22nd fret, is the most obvious visual clue.
"BALDWINs" and "Baldwin-ODEs" were sequentially serial-numbered up to approximately
#3500 -- when Baldwin changed their serial numbers to coded-format, in the early-'70s.
However, there seems to be a gap of almost 900 serial numbers between approximately
#1100 and #2000. That means only about 2600 banjos wre produced by Baldwin, until
that point.
The change from the "BALDWIN" banner, to the 'Banner+ODE', was gradually introduced
between approximately #2275 (lowest "Baldwin-ODE") and #2700 (highest "Baldwin").
The change back to only "ODE" on the peghead, seems to have occurred in the Fall of 1977.
The Baldwin parent-company went bankrupt in 1980. Baldwin production stopped during
December of 1980.
(Due to the use of the coded serial format, there is no way to know the actual total number
of Baldwin, Baldwin+ODE, and "ODE"-by-Baldwin produced. There are no extant factory
records. We can only estimate a total, based on the highest-known number for each monthly
"lot" of banjos. And we don't have a large-enough data sample to do that effectively, yet.)
OK... So *WHY* is Ken Hamilton's 1966 Baldwin Style D #277 worth $7000?
Because -- due its inherent quality, its rarity, its historical significance, its design, its
original condition, its playability, and its sound -- $7000 is a heluva-lot more RATIONAL
asking price, than asking $15,000 for a dinged-up TB-75 flathead... with a warped,
corroded, and crystalized one-piece zinc flange, and a repro neck. That's why.
Other than the fact that I think it's a beautiful banjo... I have absolutely no personal
"interest" in Ken's sale. (I've never even met, spoken with, or corresponded with Ken.)
Best-
Ed Britt
© 8/2010
I'll also post this information on the Yahoo ODE Group as well -- for the
benefit of the ODE enthusiasts there:
launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Odebanjos/
To access the ODE Group you must have a Yahoo account, And apply for Group
membership:
edit.yahoo.com/registration
"How to join a Group":
help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/grou...nvaZ6xyR4
Edited by - BrittDLD1 on 08/29/2010 12:57:54
electricbanjoman - Posted - 09/08/2010: 09:22:52
This is Sad Britt, Tell him , He & his family are in our daily prayers God bless
Dan Surber
psikes - Posted - 10/01/2010: 08:20:45
I tried asking these questions in the building, setup and repair forum but got no responses. Maybe this is a better place to ask!
I finally got around to ordering the new head for my Baldwin Ode style 2 long neck and am getting ready to start the installation. My first question has to do with cleaning up the aluminum rim. Is there any problem with using Flitz for this? I have used it quite a bit in the past but not on Aluminum. Next question, the ren. head did not come in a low crown version so should I anticipate any problems getting it on my banjo?
Thanks - Phil
electricbanjoman - Posted - 10/01/2010: 10:47:29
Hey there Phil,
I use to use Flitz on all metals it works really well with aluminum, I have a lot of aluminum on my electric banjo`s & guitars now a days I use the original Servicemaster metal glo glisten, which is the exact same thing as Flitz.
as far as the head, I love the five star, they give a crisp sound, and very seldom need tightening, sdtrong the only problem you may have could be at the neck , the rim may be higher than the neck joint if that happeneds losen the head & pull the neck side down lower first, then tighten up the rest , after a couple days you should be able to tighten the head again this time try to level the head I hope this helps.
God bless
Dan
BrittDLD1 - Posted - 10/01/2010: 11:54:56
quote:
Originally posted by psikes
... My first question has to do with cleaning up the aluminum rim. Is there any problem with using Flitz for this? I have used it quite a bit in the past but not on Aluminum....
Hi Phil -- You could also try "Mother's Mag Wheel & Aluminum Polish". It's available at most auto parts stores. I use it. Chuck Ogsbury uses it. (Although... it wasn't around, in the '60s, when the ODEs were originally built...)  Best- Ed Britt
psikes - Posted - 10/01/2010: 12:06:47
Thanks for the help guys. I will hopefully be taking everything apart this weekend and getting it rebuilt as soon as I can. This Ode has quickly become one of my favorite banjos to sit down with.
Phil
psikes - Posted - 10/02/2010: 12:34:34
The head change from Fiberskin II to Renaissance went like a champ. The Flitz cleaned up the aluminum rim and everything is back together and making banjo sounds again. I am still waiting for everything to settle down, but so far it is sounding much better.
Thanks - Phil
electricbanjoman - Posted - 10/02/2010: 14:21:16
Sunds like the change went as it should, I can`t wait for you to fill us in on the sound in about a week or so.
God bless
Dan
electricbanjoman - Posted - 10/05/2010: 19:23:20
My 1965 Baldwin neck I got from Buck Trent was broken when Porter Wagoner ran over it with the tour bus, it was repaired & then it broike again when it fell over on the set of HEE HAW LOL, I got it & repaired it I still use it today .
But a lot of the traveling banjo`s have been broke at least once, I`ve seen at least three fall over on stage & break, I don`t think it hurts the sound & if the finish isn`t hurt & the repair is a good one what the heck.
Dan
psikes - Posted - 10/07/2010: 17:14:43
What a difference a head makes! The Renaissance head seems to have settled in and made itself at home on the 2LR now. What nice pop it has compared to the old Waverly Fiberskyn II that came on the banjo. Still stretching just a little but it is sure much more fun to play and listen to now plus my speed went up by 5 bpm with the new head!!!
Was the Waverly the head these shipped with from Baldwin?
electricbanjoman - Posted - 10/07/2010: 17:52:50
I doubt it , Now The Baldwin`s had Baldwin written on the head up by the neck.
I`m not sure Waverly even made heads back when that banjo was made, But again I doubt they would have put it on one of there banjos at the factory.
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