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ScottK - Posted - 04/18/2013:  19:22:54


Hi All,



This week’s TOTW is West Fork Gals.  I was surprised to find that West Fork Gals hasn’t been a TOTW yet.  Looks like it’s been a topic in the BHO Sound Off! forum five times and has been posted to the BHO music archive eleven times.  And for good reason.  It’s a great tune!



I learned West Fork Gals from Miles Krassen’s Clawhammer Banjo book.   I don’t learn tunes from tab much anymore, but I did for the first two or three years of my banjo journey and Krassen’s book is one of my favorites. 



I’ve been really busy lately, so haven’t had time to do much research for this TOTW post.  So I’ll just reproduce the Fiddler’s Companion entry for West Fork Gals and let others chime in with additional info for this tune:



WEST FORK GALS/GIRLS. AKA ‑ "Westfort Gals." Old‑Time, Breakdown. USA; West Virginia, Virginia. D Major. Standard tuning. AABB. Known as a (central) West Virginia tune. Perlman (1979) thinks it may be related to the Irish reel "The Wexford Lasses" (both title and music?). Clay County, West Virginia, fiddler Wilson Douglas identifies the location of the title as the West Fork of the Little Kanawha river, in West Virginia, and thinks that influential regional (eastern Ky., West Va.) fiddler Ed Haley learned the tune in Clay County, W. Va. The West Fork is where "they used to have their big dances when (his mentor, French Carpenter) was a young man, back when they were logging," states Douglas, who also said that French played the tune in the 1920's along with one Anderson Dawson, who knew Ed Haley. Gerry Milnes says the river flows through Calhoun County, W.Va., and that there is a large, traditional old-time music community in that area. Krassen (1973) notes the tune is popular with fiddlers in the Gilmer County, West Virginia, region. Sources for notated versions: Fuzzy Mountain String Band (North Carolina) [Brody]; Danny Gardella [Phillips]; French Carpenter via Wilson Douglas (W.Va.) [Phillips]. Brody (Fiddler’s Fakebook), 1983; pg. 288. Carlin (English Concertina), 1977; pg. 24. Krassen (Appalachian Fiddle), 1973; pg. 30. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), vol. 1, 1994; pg. 254 (two versions). Silberberg (Tunes I Learned at Tractor Tavern), 2002; pg. 166. Fretless 119, Rodney and Randy Miller‑ "Castles in the Air." Marimac AHS#1, Wilson Douglas. Rounder 0024, "Hollow Rock String Band" (1974. Learned from Lee Triplett, Clay County, W.Va.). Rounder 0035, Fuzzy Mountain String Band‑ "Summer Oaks and Porch" (1973. Learned from Ira Mullins & Wilson Douglas, Clay County, W.Va.). Rounder 0047, Wilson Douglas - "The Right Hand Fork of Rush's Creek" (1975). Rounder CD 0392, John Hartford - “Wild Hog in the Red Brush and a Bunch of Others You Might Not Have Heard” (1996. Learned from Wilson Douglas). Shanachie Records 6040, Gerry Milnes & Lorriane Lee Hammond – “Hell Up Coal Holler” (1999). Tennvale 002, Roaring Ramblers‑ "Galax 73."



There are lots of commercial recordings of this tune.  A couple of my favorites are by Wilson Douglas and the Fuzzy Mountain String Band.



Last night I grabbed my trusty old iPod Classic with its Belkin mic attachment and made a recording of West Fork Gals on my Brooks 10L fretless to accompany this TOTW post.  That’s on my BHO music page.  But I’m guessing you’ll find better versions among those 11 posted in the BHO music archive.



All for now, Scott



 


RG - Posted - 04/18/2013:  20:12:52


Great tune Scott!


trapdoor2 - Posted - 04/18/2013:  20:29:19


Also surprised it hasn't been covered yet. One of my favorites, also learnt from Krassen's book and the Fuzzy Mt. album. The second half of the 2nd part has always given me a lot of trouble getting it clean and clear. Sometimes it pops out, sometimes...like mud!


SCclawman - Posted - 04/19/2013:  05:57:26


Scott,



Great pick for this week! I always enjoy playing this song, and I enjoyed listening to yours.



Here's a version that I recorded a little over a year ago.




West Fork Girls

   

Don Borchelt - Posted - 04/19/2013:  09:13:58


Great versions by Scott and Travis!  My recording is from a jam I had with fiddler Matt McConeghy, from Providence, Rhode Island, at the Fiddlin' Bear Old-Time Musicians' Gathering at Lake Genero Park, in Hamlin, Pennsylvania over Labor Day weekend in 2011.





         Matt McConeghy



 




West Fork Girls from Lake Genero 2011

   

mbuk06 - Posted - 04/19/2013:  10:58:38


What a lovely tune. It's a new one to me, and great to hear such wonderful versions posted here.


blockader - Posted - 04/19/2013:  11:03:26


I love this tune! It always seems to go over well when we play it for dances too. I believe i learned it while i was still using tab, but i can't remember where from. 



-justin



edit: after a brief search i find that i learned it from mike iverson's site. Though what i play now doesn't sound a whole lot like his sound file.



Edited by - blockader on 04/19/2013 11:09:41

ZEPP - Posted - 04/19/2013:  11:04:06


Here's a version I recorded in 2007 on a 1904 Whyte Laydie no. 7 I had acquired.



BTW,  SCclawman, I really like your syncopations!  A truly nice recording!



Cheers,

ZEPP


ScottK - Posted - 04/19/2013:  15:00:53


Thanks for all the comments and contributions, guys! Really enjoying all the recordings posted!

For some reason this tune doesn't get played often in jams around here. I think I need to learn it on fiddle this spring so I can introduce it more often...

Scott

JanetB - Posted - 04/19/2013:  16:59:07


Good choice, Scott.  This was fun to play along with the leisurely pace of Don and his delicate fiddling friend.  Using the cello banjo gave it a bass sound that's a bit different.  I hope Miles Krassen knows how many pickers he's influenced.  I hear he's doing well, fiddling regularly with his Albuquerque friends.




West Fork Girls--cello banjo

   

mojo_monk - Posted - 04/19/2013:  19:20:23


Great tune!



For the mix, HERE's an excellent fiddle & banjo version from Frank George (f) and David O'Dell (b). 



 



-Sean


vrteach - Posted - 04/19/2013:  19:26:42


This certainly is a fun tune, although we tend to not play it often. I first heard it in the summer of 1977 when I and some friends took a road trip from Minnesota to California, up to Seattle, and back. At one point there were 5 of us (plus backpacking stuff) in my Corolla, but I still had room to stuff in the mountain banjo that I had made from a kit the previous year. In Seattle at a friends house I attended the first real music party that I had been at. They played "West Fork Girls," and I remember watching everybody's fingers go down the neck in the B part. I probably learned it when I got back home from the Krassen book.

I can offer two versions. One in the BHO music archives of the one-and-only performance of the "Goat Ranch Band" in the summer of 1980, with LyleK on fiddle, Valerie H on guitar, and me on banjo.

The other version from 2008 is on my personal site, and I double-tracked myself on the Gold Tone cello banjo and the GT WL250, just playing the same thing on both.

vrteach.org/content/west-fork-girls



GRB West Fork Girls

   

aeroweenie - Posted - 04/20/2013:  10:12:42


Great pick ScottK.  Like you, I learned it from the Krassen book about 2 years ago and still play it in a similar way.  Very nice renditions so far, I'll try and record something this weekend.


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 04/20/2013:  11:50:32


These days, Miles Krassen is playing just fiddle, and his version of West Fork Gals is slightly different from what I hear here. I know I recorded him playing it a few months ago, but I cannot locate the recording. I will try and remember to record him playing it next time we get together. Keep an eye out here for the upload. It should happen in a few days.

SCClawman - you sound terrific! Are you one of the "youngsters" out there who just picks up an instrument and starts playing really well?

Judy

Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/20/2013:  12:52:40


Here’s Dwight Diller on JUST BANJO ’99 doing West Fork Girls:



grooveshark.com/#!/album/Just+...9/7471265



Here’s my attempt to get that tune down based on Dwight’s teaching. 



Dwight should not be held responsible for the results of my stab at this tune:



youtube.com/watch?v=yLBLqLzCS5k



Janet, that cello sounds great in your hands.



Erich, Zepp, Don – Great Music.  Thanks.



 



V/R,



 



Lew


cmic - Posted - 04/20/2013:  13:09:44


Brooklynbanjoboy:



Stale link. I think you mean this tune of Dwight Diller: 

grooveshark.com/s/West+Fork+Gi...rUe?src=5



BTW, there is also Mike Iverson's West Fork Gals : bluesageband.com/Tabs.html

 



Cheers



 


Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/20/2013:  13:17:26


Thanks, Michel.


camcumberland - Posted - 04/20/2013:  19:58:57


Cool tune, I don't have Zepp's magic touch, I did however use his video to learn this one! As an added bonus, if you listen carefully, you can here my two-month old screaming her disapproval. ;)



VIDEO: West Fork Gals
(click to view)

   

Couchie - Posted - 04/21/2013:  04:58:32


Here is my version.  It's just something I devised myself after listening to the wonderful Fuzzy Mountain String Band.  I've played it many times since then.



 



youtube.com/watch?feature=play...4hSLLTwD0#!


carlb - Posted - 04/21/2013:  06:46:41


quote:

Originally posted by BANJOJUDY

  These days, Miles Krassen is playing just fiddle, and his version of West Fork Gals is slightly different from what I hear here.




There are two versions of West Fork Gals from West Virginia. The one in Krassen's first fiddle book is a bare transcription of the  version that's played the most. Looking around my house for the other version, the first one I could lay my hands on was Lee Triplett's version. I also found this other version, with Alan Jabbour on fiddle, on the Hollow Rock String Band vinyl (Rounder Records 0024) and on a field recording that Alan made of Doc White. I think that both Lee and Alan learned this other version from Doc White. You might ask Miles about the two versions, the next time you see him.


Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/21/2013:  06:59:34


Don Couchie,



Very nicely done!



V/R,



Lew


ScottK - Posted - 04/21/2013:  09:45:24


Wow!  Great versions being posted by everybody!  That's one of the cool things about TOTW.  Another cool thing about signing up to do a TOTW is that it inspires you to learn more about the tunes you like and the sources you learned them from.  Listening to all these versions of West Fork Gals got me inspired to start learning it on fiddle this morning.  I decided to start with the Wilson Douglas version.   This morning I found a good recording of him playing it solo on fiddle at the Digital Library of Appalachia.  But I'm also a big fan of Greg Canote's fiddling so I'm also working with the Canote Brothers' take on Douglas's version from their Dogs in the Dishes CD where BHO member Brendan Doyle backs them up on banjo.



All for now (I gotta get back to work on West Fork Gals... smiley),



Scott



 


aeroweenie - Posted - 04/21/2013:  10:31:37


Here is my version, I learned it from the Krassesn book and still play it in a very similar way.  It is a fun tune to play on my psuedo-Minstrel banjo, lowered double-C tuning, I think that puts it in the key of G.




West Fork Gals

   

Couchie - Posted - 04/21/2013:  17:30:34


Thanks Lew smiley.



Don.


SCclawman - Posted - 04/22/2013:  06:15:12


Zepp and Judy,



Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed my version.



Janet, I really enjoyed listening to your cello banjo version.

Cam, you've got a great touch on the banjo as well! sounded great to me.



Great TOTW. love this song!!


JTrevorJ - Posted - 04/22/2013:  15:41:38


quote:


Originally posted by SCclawman

 

Scott,




Great pick for this week! I always enjoy playing this song, and I enjoyed listening to yours.




Here's a version that I recorded a little over a year ago.







Thanks SCclawman your playing and arrangement almost brought tears to my eyes. Superb!


Don Borchelt - Posted - 04/23/2013:  06:52:11


Just finished listening to all the BHO banjo versions posted here.  Some great  picking, for sure, all really fine versions, and no two alike.  Brought a little brightness to a rainy, gloomy day.


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 04/23/2013:  14:51:49


I posted a video of Miles Krassen playing both versions.



Here's the link:

 



youtube.com/watch?v=O4YEvDGErSs


ScottK - Posted - 04/23/2013:  15:43:27


Thanks Judy! That was great! Please thank Miles and the rest of the Wednesday Noontime Jammers as well.

Love the flute in the old time mix. My son plays fiddle in an Irish trad band that include a few old time tunes in their repertoire. It's always a lot of fun to hear old time tunes with uillean pipes, flutes, and/or penny whistle thrown in the mix.

Cheers, Scott

vrteach - Posted - 04/23/2013:  15:49:35


Hey Judy. Just finished the video. Thanks for posting that. Send Mr Krassen our thanks.

I like that Lee Triplett version.

You know, I don't think we've ever played West Fork Girls for a dance. We should fix that.

Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/23/2013:  16:04:40


Great video, Judy.



Great music. 



Thanks



Lew


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 04/23/2013:  16:59:33


I purposely focused on Yigal Zan's hands while he played, assuming banjo players might be interested in watching how he does what he does.



This little project might give me the incentive to do another - perhaps next up will be the two versions of Rock the Cradle Joe.  We'll see what tomorrow brings, perhaps.



I liked having Miles tell a little history before playing.  Do you Banjo Hangout folks like that as well?  I think it adds much to the history of the tune, and you know, 50 years from now, someone might watch this video and learn something from what Miles had to say, in addition to what he played.



 



 



 



 


Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/23/2013:  17:08:04


I'd vote for a Banjo Judy Video of the Week (BJVOTW)...



 



Lew


JanetB - Posted - 04/23/2013:  18:58:08


quote:

Originally posted by Brooklynbanjoboy

 

I'd vote for a Banjo Judy Video of the Week (BJVOTW)...




 




Lew







I second that emotion!  It's warming to see these Noontime Jammers and hope to see more of them, too.


Yigal Zan - Posted - 04/24/2013:  21:40:36


I have uploaded a banjo tablature and musical notation files, for Miles Krassen's second version of West Fork Gals (based on Lee Triplett's fiddling), to the Tabs page of my BHO home. The direct URL for the tablature is, hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...42013.gif for the musical notation it is, hangoutstorage.com/banjohangou...42013.gif


BANJOJUDY - Posted - 04/24/2013:  22:03:16


You have been busy today,Yigal! 


arnie - Posted - 04/25/2013:  04:33:58


If you have "5 strings attached ~ Vol 2" with me & Chris Coole you will hear both Wilson Douglas & Lee Triplett's version in a medley with 2 banjos

BANJOJUDY - Posted - 04/25/2013:  04:58:02


Nice playing, Arnie.  I heard a few subtle differences from Mile's fiddle playing, but I don't always hear things correctly.  Pease take a look at Yigal's transcriptions and let us know how close the notes are to what you play when time allows. 


Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/25/2013:  13:32:02


OK, when I first saw the fine TOTW post for West Folk Girls I pulled out the banjo and before reading any further dusted off what I remember of the tune that Dwight Diller and Bates Littlehales taught me about 15 ore more years ago. 



When I listened to the YouTube examples provided in this weeks Tune, it was clear that I had managed to get things wrong, to recall parts and pieces of earlier lessons, so that I was only able to pull out of the memory some odd resemblance of the tune as represented by the TOTW. 



As a result, I sat down and relearned it, and took a crack at it for this week’s TOTW.



However, after watching Banjo Judy’s delightful video of Miles Krassen and friends, and looking at the tab generously posted by Yigal Zan, what occurs to me is that my initial attempt to uncover the tune dredged up the Lee Tripplet version that Dwight pounded into my skull – I distinctly remember Dwight telling me to adjourn to another room in my house, where he was teaching a workshop in northern VA years ago, and to play the thing until I managed to get the cadence right.   The moral equivalent of being assigned to a remedial reading class…



Dwight’s version, or a version of Dwight’s version, is captured on page 28 of his book, Yew Piney Mountain: Obscure Underground Clawhammer Banjo from Mysterious Central West Virginia (volume 1), no date. 



It is instructive to compare the Diller version and the version provided by Yigal Zan.  My crack at it, linked below, is closer to the Diller version, but departs from Dwight’s and tends in the direction of sometime a bit more sparse if only to keep it well within the envelop of my clawhammer capabilities.  Yigal’s tab matches “the first cycle” of Krassen’s fiddling, and captures those fiddle nuances – which is clear from his great playing on that Banjo Judy video.   Dwight plays his tune in gCGCD, key of C.  Yigal has his banjo capoed up to aDADE. 



Here’s my crack at the Lee Tripplet version on as banjo tuned up to aDADE:



youtube.com/watch?v=mTG07SJVSec



In recent days, another West Virginia friend asked me what the TOTW was all about.  I sung its praise, recommended that he spread the word, and fielded a question from this friend, who like me is now a card carrying member of AARP, having broken the six decade age barrier… 



My friend wanted to know whether learning a tune a week, or even re-learning a tune a week, isn’t a bridge too far, given that we are well into our dotage now.  I thought some, and suggested that it wasn’t really that much of a stretch, but on reflection I had to acknowledge that from week to week, my reach back to prior tunes weakens, and I end up needing to refresh my memory to keep the tune in my arsenal. 



So, in effect, the TOTW, for us old time old timers, is really just learning one tune every week, but in the end it’s the same tune. 



 



Play hard,



 



Lew


Hawgfiddle65 - Posted - 04/26/2013:  04:03:24


Hi all



First tune I ever learned on the banjo! Great tune



Jim


mbuk06 - Posted - 04/27/2013:  04:42:48


One of the great things about TOTW is it can inspire us to learn tunes that are new to us. Here is my version of 'West Fork Gals' after having a lot of fun learning and practicing it this week.




West Fork Gals

   

Brooklynbanjoboy - Posted - 04/27/2013:  07:58:49


Mike,



Very nice sound.



And we can hear it loud and clear all the way over here un Virginia!



Lew




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