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Prewar3 - Posted - 04/13/2013:  05:11:25


exWhat is a "Pre EPA" weather king head.  I see ads for these heads that are very expensive.  I have five or si used weather king heads from the late 1990's to early 2000's.  Would these be Pre EPA?


beegee - Posted - 04/13/2013:  05:35:17


Despite information to the contrary, many people claim that the plastic formulation used in Remo heads was changed because of some EPA ruling, necessitating the manufacture of the heads to go offshore or smething. The "wagon-wheel" heads are post-EPA and  heads that say Weather King only or have the really large crown or say made inTaiwan or say "banjo only" are supposedly non-EPA heads. The pre-EPA heads are supposedly magical and come closest to the pre-war sound, which of course is impossible, becasue the pre-war sound is calfskin/Black-Diamond generated.  I would say it all AR foolishness but that might start a flame-war.evil


steve davis - Posted - 04/13/2013:  05:44:25


Read up on identifying the logo evolution and look for old ones in good shape.
These can sometimes be present on 70s banjos that didn't get very much playing time.



The Old Timer - Posted - 04/13/2013:  09:30:44


In general, the newest Remo heads are made in Taiwan, for whatever reason. The "pre" heads were made in USA.

I'm no authority on potential EPA role in the move.

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 04/13/2013:  15:23:14


So far as anyone has been able to document, the EPA has had no role whatsoever in the changes to Weatherking heads. The whole thing is a rumour from the same people who think the UN is flying black heckalopaters over their houses.


warpdrive - Posted - 04/14/2013:  08:46:49


I really really had trouble buying into the 1500.00 tone rings, but seriously OMG! please somebody tell me these people asking these fantastic prices for a banjo head that does nothing more than any other plastic head produced in the last 50 yrs, please lets get these people the mental help they so desperately need!

Banjophobic - Posted - 04/14/2013:  10:47:27


quote:

Originally posted by warpdrive

 

I really really had trouble buying into the 1500.00 tone rings, but seriously OMG! please somebody tell me these people asking these fantastic prices for a banjo head that does nothing more than any other plastic head produced in the last 50 yrs, please lets get these people the mental help they so desperately need!







Shhhhh Warp, you are messing up my business plan here! I am currently stockpiling old beat up Remos and will be selling them for 125.00 each...........tongue


The Old Timer - Posted - 04/14/2013:  12:28:36


Don't the new Remos say "Taiwan" on them? That may be reason enough for some to avoid them.

I may be wrong about this, but I think they say "Taiwan" or "China"?

arnie fleischer - Posted - 04/14/2013:  12:39:34


John, would you also be interested in selling some of the banjo parts and accessories manufactured by my company, Pickaway Products, Ltd.?  I'm thinking you could do some good business as an official dealer of our "Old Hickory Brand" strings, made from submerged wood fibers, and also "Cryo-Piks," our exclusive line of finger picks made from prehistoric ice.wink



Arnie 



 



 


arnie fleischer - Posted - 04/14/2013:  12:43:36


Dick, some of the new Remos are also completely blank.  I bought a couple from Elderly a few months ago, and I believe Paul Hopkins acquired a stash of them for his banjos.


Hotrodtruck - Posted - 04/14/2013:  13:32:51


I don't have any information on the differences between the "pre EPA" heads and the newer ones, or whether there is any thing magical about them, but I do know that they turn a different color when soiled by fingers after playing for a while. That indicates something different to me. I like the old heads and think they do have a different sound than the new ones, but it may be all in my "head". smiley



Mike



Edited by - Hotrodtruck on 04/14/2013 13:39:29

banjoman_18 - Posted - 04/14/2013:  15:56:20


hey there from what I know is a pre epa head is from 1957. the first yea they started using the platic. to about the mid 1980s.  the only difference is the frosting is a litte thicker and give a muddier sound. the heads you own ar considered newer. there is nothing wrong with the newer one at all. if you decid to buy a pre epa, just remember most of them are used and stretched. and ask a BHO member named 5twang he might have some for a good price. he solld me two for 30 bucks.


Julio B - Posted - 04/15/2013:  11:55:33


At the time of the changeover I was told that the EPA mandated a change in the frosting only: from solvent based to water based, exactly as was required for paint. There may be some slight tonal difference, but I doubt that the human ear could discern it. I hear no difference.
Julio

1935tb-11 - Posted - 04/15/2013:  17:47:37


the usa remos made in the last 10 or so years are the lightly frosted ones,, in fact you can almost see through them it is so light,,, the taiwan made heads are better frosted,, not as good as the old ones but better then then the usa heads..  i went to 3 different music stores in the triad that had remo heads back a couple of years ago looking for a decent head,,, all total 7 boxes of usa heads ,, all of them were so lightly frosted they may have well as been clear.  a guy in thomasville had a box of taiwan remos and as soon as he took them out of the box you easily see the frosting was better and heavier then the others i looked at... i bought 3 high crowns for 12 bucks each and came home put one on and it was fine,,,   i had tried 3  different heads ,, 2 usa remos and a huber and none were right for mine... the taiwan remo did the trick,,,,,, none of this is opinion this is what i actually went through trying to find a decent head for my ole 11.



 



 



 



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