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Mopick - Posted - 07/07/2011:  05:29:39



Lobsters.  We got em' here in Florida but unlike the Maine lobster Florida lobsters don't have claws.  They are called langouste or Rock Lobster and they have long antennae.



JPEG of Florida lobster



And we don't catch them in traps.  We goes down and gets them with SCUBA gear.  Don't laugh until you snag a 10 pound bug and the fight is on at 100 ft.  Most aren't that big, but they can and do fight.



The regular lobster season runs from August 6, until March 31 with a 2 day mini season that runs the last consecutive Wednesday and Thursday of July.  This year's mini season will be July 27 and 28 from 12:01 Wednesday morning until 12:00 midnight Thursday.



You go down to a shelf or coral reef and watch for the antennae sticking out.  It looks like a bunch of underwater cockaroaches with their antennas twirling around and around.  There a couple of techniques.  You can use a tickle stick to reach in behind the lobster and nudge him out into a waiting net.  In this you tube video you can see how the diver uses the tickle stick to back the lobster into his net.  Then he uses an aluminum gage to measure the lobster and make sure it's long enough.  Possession of a short lobster will net you a big fine, even confiscation of your boat if you are a boat captain. 



youtube.com/watch?v=0TFE2FpsMsY



 



The other way to catch them is with a lobster lasso, an aluminum rod with a small nylon rope loop that you place around the lobster tail then snatch it shut by drawing the sting and pulling the lobster.  You must have a measuring device with you in the water.  The lobster has to have a 3 inch carapace measured in the water.   Females with eggs are prohibited.  The eggs are carried under the tail.  You can see the man who invented the lobster lasso in this video let a couple go that are either short or egg bearing females.



youtube.com/watch?v=kfpyVvSrf9...e=related



 



I sold my SCUBA tanks a few years ago, but I am a certified diver and I'm  getting the urge to get under water and breathe some compressed air.  Lobster season is a good reason to do it.



 



Randy



 



 



Edited by - Mopick on 07/07/2011 05:35:40

christian0oo - Posted - 07/07/2011:  05:36:31



I've been catching lobster with my grandpa in the keys since I was six, I'm nineteen now so for probably 13 or 12 years. I've been living in Miami for about 5 years now, but I'm born and bread in the florida keys. So I don't even know how to catch a main lobster lol. What part of florida are you from?


Mopick - Posted - 07/07/2011:  05:40:40



quote:


Originally posted by christian0oo




I've been catching lobster with my grandpa in the keys since I was six, I'm nineteen now so for probably 13 or 12 years. I've been living in Miami for about 5 years now, but I'm born and bread in the florida keys. So I don't even know how to catch a main lobster lol. What part of florida are you from?






I'm in Central Florida near Orlando.  We like to go down to Boynton Beach or Riviera Beach, but I'd really like to go down to the keys for lobster season.  I hear it's good under the bridges.



Do you and your grandpa use SCUBA or masks and snorkel?  Do you guys tickle them out or lasso them?  I hear that in the keys a lot of time it's in shallow enough water that you don't have to use SCUBA.



Edited by - Mopick on 07/07/2011 05:54:04

John Allison - Posted - 07/07/2011:  05:53:13


Years ago, I spent a fair amount of time in the Keys and had relatives who ran a motel at Pelican Cove (El Capitan was the motel and I believe the Key was Tavernier)). Used to visit there quite often and spent a lot of time catching the langoustes by hand. When we found them under a ledge or in a cave-like structure would look at the feelers. If the were pointed back into the ledge, it meant they were more worried about what was behind them than what was in front of them (perhaps a moray????): if they were pointed forward, they were supposedly safe to grab. Nice little reef nearby called Hen & Chickens. Would also grab a few Queen Conch and take them down to a nearby restaurant where they would turn the conch into some delicious chowder.

Trewq36 - Posted - 07/07/2011:  06:06:34


Gee, around here you just walk in, pick one outa the tank and get a seat.... No traps or gear..

steve davis - Posted - 07/07/2011:  06:07:31


Big difference in the flavor.
We're not allowed to catch them in any other way than by trapping.Big fine for diving on them.

Mopick - Posted - 07/07/2011:  06:08:05



quote:


Originally posted by Trewq36




Gee, around here you just walk in, pick one outa the tank and get a seat.... No traps or gear..

 






ROFL!  My grandpa used to call that "Catching it on a silver hook."


Mopick - Posted - 07/07/2011:  06:11:42



quote:


Originally posted by steve davis




Big difference in the flavor.

We're not allowed to catch them in any other way than by trapping.Big fine for diving on them.






Steve I would love to have you show me how to catch and eat a Maine Lobster the way Mainers do.  On that show with Andrew Zimern he went out with captain Linda Greenlaw and when they got back to the beach they chowed down.  The first trap they ran they caught a bunch of fouled line and gear.  Someone elses gear.



Someday.



 



Randy


steve davis - Posted - 07/07/2011:  06:17:53


It's considered poor form to snarl with anyone else,here.It takes a deep understanding of the ever changing currents,depth of the water,length of the rope and sink-rate of the trap to get the trap,rope and buoy to not snarl all the others.

We don't run "trawls" of traps any longer than 3 and all single gear in close in the summer.

Glenn Tate - Posted - 07/07/2011:  09:16:37


My wife and I were in the Florida Keys about 22 years ago. We had our RV parked next to one of the bridges that connected a couple of the Keys. I enjoyed snorkeling along the riprap in about 15 feet of water. On one such outing, I caught a nice big lobster, so we had grilled steak and lobster later on that evening.

slammer - Posted - 07/07/2011:  09:57:53


Let me know when and where. I'll bring the grill, steam pot , napkins and most important........Butter!!!
Slammer!!!

Sam 2 - Posted - 07/07/2011:  11:05:12



The Florida lobster in the picture is almost to pretty to eat…..beautiful colors



I have only seen the lobsters at Kroger in the tank. They are $18.00 per pound so it don’t look like I will be trying one any time soon.



Edited by - Sam 2 on 07/07/2011 11:05:52

steve davis - Posted - 07/07/2011:  11:37:50


Boat price is $4/lb. None fresher.

Mopick - Posted - 07/07/2011:  11:50:00



quote:


Originally posted by steve davis




Boat price is $4/lb. None fresher.






OK then.  Banjo Hangout Lobster feast at Port Clyde. Bring banjos and lobster bibs.


Sam 2 - Posted - 07/07/2011:  11:59:02



I'm in......Its only 3266 miles round trip



 



 


mullie1 - Posted - 07/07/2011:  12:14:53



I'm headin' up to Castine in a couple of weeks....count me in!


bilge rat - Posted - 07/07/2011:  12:42:59


I've caught many of both by SCUBA. (not actually in Maine or Florida..but the same two species). Mostly North Carolina for the spinys and delaware/jersey for the clawed type. Compeltely legal. Check them for eggs, please.

Catching lobsters by hand is quite an adventure. Both types are extremely shy & fast and hide in holes where you should be afraid to reach in if you can't see. Diving at dark helps alot.

The use of a "tickle stick" is the secret weapon!

ron

mullie1 - Posted - 07/07/2011:  12:47:52



I do a lot of diving off MA/NH/ME coast....the LAST place for a diver in this neck of the woods is near any lobster traps. I'd rather do a seal dive off Isle of Shoals and buy a lobster on-shore with a cold beer chaser. Not much better than that.


lazyarcher - Posted - 07/07/2011:  13:56:58



I've eaten a ton of both species...and to me, there is NOTHING better than Maine lobsters...esp the 1.5-2 lbers. The southern rock lobsters are good, and the ones we eat in Cuba can get large....but they arn't as sweet and tender as the ones from Bailey Island.


steve davis - Posted - 07/07/2011:  14:00:29


The fish have more flavor in the cold water,too.

Mopick - Posted - 07/07/2011:  14:26:14



quote:


Originally posted by steve davis




The fish have more flavor in the cold water,too.






I really enjoy cod.  I much prefer cold water salt water fish.


eagleisland - Posted - 07/07/2011:  14:47:04



quote:


Originally posted by lazyarcher




I've eaten a ton of both species...and to me, there is NOTHING better than Maine lobsters...esp the 1.5-2 lbers. The southern rock lobsters are good, and the ones we eat in Cuba can get large....but they arn't as sweet and tender as the ones from Bailey Island.






 



This is true.  On the other hand, on Bailey Island you can't chase that fine lobster with a truly fine cigar.



Not legally, anyway.


brokenstrings - Posted - 07/07/2011:  18:26:37


Folks, Florida lobsters aren't lobsters. They're giant crayfish (crawfish). And no, they're not as good as Maine lobsters.

Klondike Waldo - Posted - 07/07/2011:  18:38:20



quote:


Originally posted by brokenstrings




Folks, Florida lobsters aren't lobsters. They're giant crayfish (crawfish). And no, they're not as good as Maine lobsters. 






​I'll agree, but it bothers me some that Crawfish/Crayfish/Crawdads/Mudbugs have claws just like good old Homarus Americanus, but Rock Lobsters/Spiny Lobsters, Langoustes don't.



 



It used to be legal for divers to catch lobsters in Massachusetts, providing they had a license, but that was 50 years ago...


Dagnabbit - Posted - 07/07/2011:  19:16:13



quote:


Originally posted by brokenstrings




Folks, Florida lobsters aren't lobsters. They're giant crayfish (crawfish). And no, they're not as good as Maine lobsters.






Actually there are no marine crayfish by scientific designation although in a few places they are commonly referred to as such., The words 'lobster' and 'crayfish' are used in any number of combinations for various decapods. 



"True" Lobsters are in the family Nephropidae and sometimes Homaridae, Spiny Lobsters are in the family Palinuridae, Crayfish are in the families Astacoidea and Parastacidae.


BDCA - Posted - 07/07/2011:  20:57:48



I used to have an office at the Boynton Beach marina and had free diving on many of the 9 dive boats. I used to dive almost daily. Florida "bugs" are great if tailed and grilled on the dock. They go downhill fast. They also grow many times faster than their northern cousins. I never liked the frenzy that was the opening of mini season...a lot of irreplaceable reef got destroyed.



While diving on the back side of Bonaire which is rarely accessible, I came across a spiny that had an antennae spread of at least 8 feet!  Unfortunately, they are protected on that side of the island.



Cya!



Bob


carlos - Posted - 07/07/2011:  21:26:47


carlos - Posted - 07/07/2011:  21:31:34



my  dad was  born in maine   old  town he  always  said  a lobster is a  cockroach of the  sea




 






 


steve davis - Posted - 07/07/2011:  21:37:10



When we made a mistake on the boat we usually got called a farmer.



Lobsters were also called "Poor man's chicken".



Edited by - steve davis on 07/07/2011 21:38:04

mainejohn - Posted - 07/08/2011:  05:02:14



Maine lobsters taste better than Mass lobsters because our water is colder and cleaner. On the rare occasions I serve them at home (friends or relatives visiting from away) I drive two miles and buy them fresh from the pound, but not before 4 PM. I remember skin diving for that other kind back in the 60's in Grand Cayman. We would shoot them with spear guns and sell them right on the dock when we came in. They didn't taste as good as the ones here in Maine.


Mopick - Posted - 07/08/2011:  05:50:15



quote:


Originally posted by BDCA




I used to have an office at the Boynton Beach marina and had free diving on many of the 9 dive boats. I used to dive almost daily.



Cya!



Bob






The best dives I ever made were out of Boynton Beach.  The gulf stream comes in close to shore so you don't have to ride on a boat for long to get to the dive site.  Drift diving is so cool.  You just float along, neutrally buoyant, and let the Gulf Stream current just carry you along the bottom.  We dived a place called double ledges.   And we went in the middle of the week so we got three dives for the price of two.


christian0oo - Posted - 07/08/2011:  05:52:55


christian0oo - Posted - 07/08/2011:  05:56:01



Yea, it gets real shallow a lot of the time and we can just go tickle them out. I've used the lasso before but tickling is how I Learned. My grandpa lives in tavernier on a canal that is just FULL of lobster during the season, unfortunately its illegal to catch them there. So we take the boat out and snorkel around some groves and what not. But yea, a lot of the time no snorkels required lol. I've heard boyton beach is pretty good for the season, is that true?



Mopick - Posted - 07/08/2011:  05:58:47



quote:


Originally posted by steve davis




When we made a mistake on the boat we usually got called a farmer.



Lobsters were also called "Poor man's chicken".






I was reading somewhere that back a long time ago the prisoners in Maine complained because they were fed so much lobster.


steve davis - Posted - 07/08/2011:  06:01:59


Friends of mine in RI told me that years ago,when they ate lobsters they would hide the shells so the neighbors wouldn't know.

mainejohn - Posted - 07/08/2011:  06:18:35



quote:


Originally posted by Mopick




quote:


Originally posted by steve davis





When we made a mistake on the boat we usually got called a farmer.



Lobsters were also called "Poor man's chicken".






I was reading somewhere that back a long time ago the prisoners in Maine complained because they were fed so much lobster.






Back in the 1800's the lobsters were so thick they crawled up on the beaches. They were ground up and used for fertiizer, or were fed to the the inmates at the prison in Thomaston. I guess it didn't take long for the prisoners to get sick of eating them and they went on a food strike or started a riot or something like that. I like lobster once in a while but two straight nights of it is one too meal many.


steve davis - Posted - 07/08/2011:  06:56:37


We got tired of too much haddock and lobster sometimes as kids.Then we'd get venison for a change.

BDCA - Posted - 07/08/2011:  07:39:46



quote:


Originally posted by Mopick




quote:


Originally posted by BDCA





I used to have an office at the Boynton Beach marina and had free diving on many of the 9 dive boats. I used to dive almost daily.



Cya!



Bob






The best dives I ever made were out of Boynton Beach.  The gulf stream comes in close to shore so you don't have to ride on a boat for long to get to the dive site.  Drift diving is so cool.  You just float along, neutrally buoyant, and let the Gulf Stream current just carry you along the bottom.  We dived a place called double ledges.   And we went in the middle of the week so we got three dives for the price of two.






Boynton on a good day is the best diving in North America. The actual diving was actually in Boca but the boats (9) left from Boynton Beach. Often we would get top to bottom visibility and occasionally 150 feet. Water was mid to high 80s and the reef was thick with bugs. I am a dive master so I usually ended up dragging the float. The drift diving was great and you always have to pay attention to bottom time since you use so little air or Nitrox.



I used to play weekends in the local Irish bar just down the road from the Marina, in Delray Beach.



My favorite boats were the Little Deeper and the Loggerhead. After diving we'd head over to the Two Georges for conch fritters...Paradise! The Boynton Marina has been trashed by the developers.



Cya!



Bob




   

mullie1 - Posted - 07/08/2011:  07:50:00



quote:


Originally posted by Mopick




quote:


Originally posted by BDCA




I used to have an office at the Boynton Beach marina and had free diving on many of the 9 dive boats. I used to dive almost daily.



Cya!



Bob






The best dives I ever made were out of Boynton Beach.  The gulf stream comes in close to shore so you don't have to ride on a boat for long to get to the dive site.  Drift diving is so cool.  You just float along, neutrally buoyant, and let the Gulf Stream current just carry you along the bottom.  We dived a place called double ledges.   And we went in the middle of the week so we got three dives for the price of two.






Nothing better than a good drift dive. We did a couple this past winter off Grand Bahama and they were great fun (you just want to make sure that the boat is following your flag!)


Mopick - Posted - 07/08/2011:  07:57:31



quote:


Originally posted by mullie1




quote:


Originally posted by Mopick





quote:


Originally posted by BDCA





I used to have an office at the Boynton Beach marina and had free diving on many of the 9 dive boats. I used to dive almost daily.



Cya!



Bob






The best dives I ever made were out of Boynton Beach.  The gulf stream comes in close to shore so you don't have to ride on a boat for long to get to the dive site.  Drift diving is so cool.  You just float along, neutrally buoyant, and let the Gulf Stream current just carry you along the bottom.  We dived a place called double ledges.   And we went in the middle of the week so we got three dives for the price of two.






Nothing better than a good drift dive. We did a couple this past winter off Grand Bahama and they were great fun (you just want to make sure that the boat is following your flag!)






BDCA said <<I am a dive master so I usually ended up dragging the float.>>



Down there the dive master would drag the float which is a huge orange ball.  The dive boat follows along at the surface and if any of the divers have a problem or run out of air they can go up the line and the dive boat will pick them up while the rest of the party floats merrily along.



Randy


mullie1 - Posted - 07/08/2011:  08:18:32



^^^^ good points. Usually on a drift dive I have found that some divers would run out of air at different times depending on their dive experience/abilities


mullie1 - Posted - 07/08/2011:  08:28:21



Lobster roll in NH today is $17.99!! I think I'll go with a Reuben for lunch..........


BDCA - Posted - 07/08/2011:  08:51:25



Today cherry stone's are $3 a dozen on the Vineyard...lobsters as low as $6.99 a pound. Reubens and decent pizza much harder to find!



Cya!



Bob


pstroud1 - Posted - 07/08/2011:  09:31:51



Ok all this lobster talk makes me have to ask a question.



The night before my daughters wedding they took 20 or so of us over to Warrens Lobster restaurant in Kittery, ME for supper. I had the best mess of steamers as an appetizer as I have ever had. I now kick my butt for not just getting all steamers, I love those things and butter.

I had 2 one lb lobsters which i could only eat one after all those clams :). But the lobster that I ate and the other I ate the next day were extremely hard to get out of the shell. I'm no lobster specialist but the ones I've had before the tail pushed right out a big chunk of delicious meat. These acted like they were stuck to the shell and the meat though great tasting was extremely chewable. The ones my daughter bought the last time I was up almost melted in your mouth.

I was just wondering if anyone one familiar with lobster work know.



Was it the age of the lobster or the way they were cooked that caused them to be a good bit stringy?





I'm not complaining mind you, I love almost all seafood but the difference was very noticeable.

But what a great meal wow.

Paul



Edited by - pstroud1 on 07/08/2011 09:34:32

5stringpicker2 - Posted - 07/08/2011:  09:47:25



This is how my friends and I would catch them. No Scuba gear just Snorkels, Masks and Fins. We would be towed behind a boat holding on to water skiing ropes and when we saw  Lobsters below we would  let go and dive, dive dive with nets and catch them. Good fun and Great eatin'.



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steve davis - Posted - 07/08/2011:  09:50:46



You got a hardshell lobster(old shell).I prefer shedders (new shell) for the texture of the meat and ease of opening.

Lobsters fill up the shell and shed it once a year.They are squidlike when they slip out of the cracked open old shell.

They hide under a rock for a couple of weeks while the new,larger shell forms.I like them best when this new shell is 1 to 2 months old.

The yield of meat (ratio of meat to total weight including shell) is greater in a hard shell,but the meat is drier and a bit tougher and you need nut crackers to open the shell.I just eat shedders bare-handed.



Edited by - steve davis on 07/08/2011 09:51:36

banjodawg - Posted - 07/08/2011:  10:46:52


I remember reading about lobsters being used as fertilizer in the early 1800s because they just were not eaten! I can't imagine just wasting good lobster!

BDCA - Posted - 07/08/2011:  11:23:07



Hey, some people find eating cockroaches disgusting....



Cya!



Bob


pstroud1 - Posted - 07/08/2011:  11:39:36


You got a hardshell lobster(old shell).I prefer shedders (new shell) for the texture of the meat and ease of opening.
Lobsters fill up the shell and shed it once a year.They are squidlike when they slip out of the cracked open old shell.
They hide under a rock for a couple of weeks while the new,larger shell forms.I like them best when this new shell is 1 to 2 months old.
The yield of meat (ratio of meat to total weight including shell) is greater in a hard shell,but the meat is drier and a bit tougher and you need nut crackers to open the shell.I just eat shedders bare-handed.
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Thanks Steve that explains it. I never knew the difference in the shells and didn't know they shed each year, but then I guess there are some folks that don't know a buck shed antlers each year.
Linda Lou got Lobster Linguini and we both eat on that for three days there was that much. We stopped at some picnic tables on the way home and had a feast. I'm still licking my chops LOL.

Paul

Klondike Waldo - Posted - 07/08/2011:  13:26:38



quote:


Originally posted by banjodawg




I remember reading about lobsters being used as fertilizer in the early 1800s because they just were not eaten! I can't imagine just wasting good lobster!






Lobsters that had washed up on shore could turn rancid or even toxic laying around.



 


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