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Baconfine - Posted - 01/15/2011:  08:26:25


on ebay today price 3450 but not meet the reserve

jason holgate - Posted - 01/15/2011:  08:46:46


there is a bacon and day senotita for sale here in town tor 950 is that a good banjo?

flatfoot - Posted - 01/15/2011:  08:57:09


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I have a Senorita which I dearly love. It is a well made instrument, but was an economy model when it was built. 950 is too high in my opinion. 500-700 is more like it.

skip sail - Posted - 01/15/2011:  14:13:58


something very fishy about the B+D number 6. strange that the seller id doesnt match the description,that the bidding has escalated enormously so early in the auction,that the reserve is set at over 10k,not sure whats going on,but somethings not right.

NYCJazz - Posted - 01/15/2011:  16:24:58


Here's the listing

cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Bacon-Day-Ne...5607d8468

It's plectrum, which is extra rare, and it's unmolested.

This is the finest banjo ever made, IMHO. Best looking, best sounding.

I'd bid on it if I could.

This is the Holy Grail for plectrum players.

The Old Timer - Posted - 01/15/2011:  17:21:28


I sat with an old gentleman in the tiny town of Lubec ME back in the late 1970s and he played one just like this, along with a lady playing piano. I remember he played a song called "Moonlight and Roses". He also had a twin to this B&D banjo with an elephant head including ivory tusks (!!!!) carved into the heel. He was a fine old fellow, and he knew enough about the 5 string to give "starter" lessons to a friend of mine in that area. His name was Harvey Cox, and he was an old time plectrum banjo man. I have always wondered what happened to his banjos.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 01/16/2011:  00:32:56


Gents,

ThereŽs nothing fishy about this auction or the Lady herself.

She is the Holy Grail for plectrum players - and both the seller and the bidders knows this. Less than 30-40 examples of the #6 NPU plectrum were built - and every pro-player/collector will want one.

BTW - sheŽs not from 1927 as claimed - sheŽs from early summer of 1925.

IŽm bidding on her - and so is Buddy Wachter and a few others. I guess, that the reserve is set at 12K and that sheŽll go for 13-15K. A reconditioning by a master luthier to original pristine condition will cost additional 3-4K, I think.

ItŽs wellknown tactics for pro-bidders to put in a row of high bids at the start of an auction - this will often scare off other bidders.



Polle


Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 01/16/2011 02:21:33

beezaboy - Posted - 01/16/2011:  05:01:36


Two Cents:
We are so much more sophisticated in banjology today than
back when the 4-string banjo was in its heyday roughly
1918-1930.
Vega made a 17 fret tenor ca 1908.
It got into the dance bands as the dance craze intensified.
Lange moderized it in 1921 with 19 fret neck and resonator/flange.
The modernization occurred to give tb more carrying power so that
it could be heard in the larger bands with many horns.
The tenor banjo became somewhat of a trade mark for dance orks.
Meanwhile, among the general population, the plectrum was just thought of as another hybrid. Developed, I think, to appeal to the 5-string player who resisted relearning an instrument tuned in fifths.
A few really astute banjo musicians back then saw the closed harmony tuning of the plectrum to be better suited for chord rhythm and chord
melody playing. And it didn't have that piercing A string. Of course, Eddie Peabody showed us. But Harry Reser could play plectrum too. I think Perry Bechtel was a plectrum man as well. Anyway, not as much demand during the banjo years for plectrum as there was for tenor banjo so obviously not as many were built [duh, this thread]. Looking at the mid-twenties Paramount Catalog it labels all models A-F "Tenor Banjo" then one page depicts a model C Plectrum and one page for Guitar Banjo (another hybrid).
Then we get to our times and the musical value of Plectrum is now much better understood by banoists now than then (%-wise, I think...I'm making this up & don't have a Gallup poll). Anyway, the forces of supply and demand may make this banjo more valuable than a tenor of the same species.
Golly, when I was introduced to the 4-string banjo in 1954 we never heard of a plectrum. The neck is too long on the d**m thing.

NYCJazz - Posted - 01/17/2011:  19:35:21


I wouldn't do a darn thing to to it cosmetically.

I'd have a dowel reset done if it needed it.

Dress the frets.

If the head was useable I'd keep it.

I'd keep it as untouched as i could.

bobbybanjo - Posted - 01/18/2011:  11:18:49


quote:
Originally posted by skip sail

something very fishy about the B+D number 6. strange that the seller id doesnt match the description,that the bidding has escalated enormously so early in the auction,that the reserve is set at over 10k,not sure whats going on,but somethings not right.



What would be "very fishy" about the bidding going higher or with the reserve set over $10k? Those things are perfectly normal.

backinthegame - Posted - 01/18/2011:  14:50:41


Man, who would you get to build a neck for it? I wonder if the plectrum neck is worth enough to pay for the 5-string replacement...

I also wonder if Jim Berlile would do a tone ring for it or if you'd have to cut the rim for the new ring....

jims38134 - Posted - 01/19/2011:  18:30:41


Gone before auction end.....another unscrupulous seller?

Voyageur - Posted - 01/19/2011:  19:53:34


quote:
Originally posted by jims38134

Gone before auction end.....another unscrupulous seller?



? I just clicked on the link and it is still there.

backinthegame - Posted - 01/19/2011:  22:02:31


Geez guys! Was just tryin' to get a rise out of ya with the above post! Although not very exciting, I applaud your restraint...

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 01/19/2011:  22:36:21


John,

quote:
Was just tryin' to get a rise out of ya with the above post!

We knew that!

Polle

PS!
As expected the auction has come to a stand-still - Buddy is leading - but he has 2-3 other bidders lurking.
Just wait and watch the activity in the last hour of the auction.

bobbybanjo - Posted - 01/20/2011:  05:04:19


Strange that the reserve is $12,000 and the bidding is stalled at $11,900 for a long time now. Sometimes this is an indication of a few people getting together and bidding the price up without having the intention of buying the item - shill bidding!

jims38134 - Posted - 01/20/2011:  06:41:38


My mistake, obviously, it showed in my "watched items"as auction ended....


My apologies.

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 01/20/2011:  21:27:00


Bob,

quote:
Sometimes this is an indication of a few people getting together and bidding the price up without having the intention of buying the item - shill bidding!

I can garantee you, that this is not the case here!

BTW - 12K is MY estimate for the reserve.



Polle

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 01/21/2011:  21:02:52


All,

quote:
I guess, that the reserve is set at 12K and that sheŽll go for 13-15K

See?



Polle


Edited by - Polle Flaunoe on 01/21/2011 22:39:01

beezaboy - Posted - 01/22/2011:  05:11:56


Well, who got it?
Anyone here?

MikeHashem - Posted - 01/22/2011:  07:15:54


Well it was,nt me. I was at $14000.00 for the record. There are other buyers other than Buddy and Polle. Mike Hashem PS I already have tenor #6 and alot of others. MH

Polle Flaunoe - Posted - 01/22/2011:  09:32:02


Mike,

I did have in mind, that you could be one of the bidders.

There was a question the 20th for the seller:

--- I have a friend who wants me to bid on this item for him. He does not have a computer or a paypal account. ---Thanks, Karen. Who owns this banjo anyway? My friend is one of the best banjo players around and he knows most of the old timers. He would love to know who the owner is.

If sheŽs the winner - the new owner will most likely not be a BHO member - cause he hasnŽt a computer.

I was considering going high for this banjo - but I realized, that it in the end would be to expensive - for non-EU purchases IŽll - besides an expensive shipment - have to add 4-5% customs fees and 25% sales tax over here.

Polle

Baconfine - Posted - 01/23/2011:  07:13:18


Sold for 14100$



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