Banjoitus - Posted - 11/19/2009:  21:24:04

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"A dog would help you find these things and be a real asset for your survival"

Yep, if you had a dog, and he had a tail, you could whack off his tail, make some soup, eat the soup, feed him the bone, and then you'd both have time to do a little more scoutin' around!

CurtissWhite - Posted - 11/20/2009:  00:43:03

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Find a goat. It'd solve a lot of worries. Keep ya breathin' for a long time.

apherigo - Posted - 11/20/2009:  05:04:53

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Originally posted by brokenstrings

Without music and books? You might not want to survive.

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I'd try to find a way to build a banjo from available resources.

Aaron

AD3AD3AD3 - Posted - 11/20/2009:  05:30:02

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Assuming no physical injuries and a supply of fresh water - probably.

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:33:50

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I think the biggest problem, if water was found, would be to stay healthy.

Sam 2 - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:34:07

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Originally posted by CurtissWhite

Find a goat. It'd solve a lot of worries. Keep ya breathin' for a long time.

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Sup Cdawg,
Sheeeeeeeet man…. you dropin yackem smakem on da ba ba black sheep?
You sky high on the wink wink……. pullin wool keep the hawk flyin low… hip hop to the pork chop shop before ya go Jenny Craig.



Luckily I speak fluent Jive so I’ll translate

Sup Cdawg,
Translation: Good morning Mr. Curtis

Sheeeeeeeet man…. you dropin yackem smakem on da ba ba black sheep?
Translation: Gollee gee Mr .White, are you making reference to my avatar?

You sky high on the wink wink……. pullin wool keep the hawk flyin low… hip hop to the pork chop shop before ya go Jenny Craig.

Translation: Love the goat humor !!!..... I guess a goat with his fluffy hair would keep the wind and rain away and a person nice and warm, and I guess you could eat him to keep from starving.

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Edited by - Sam 2 on 11/20/2009 06:35:13

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:41:05

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I picked a bad day to stop drinking.

dingo - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:43:29

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I can survive about anywhere, might be a little tougher if not a tropical island, but I bet I could do it.

That is one reason for moving to Mexico, figure if I am homeless, it is warm and I can find plenty to eat in the wild. All those fresh melons and honey all over the place.

Mopick - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:49:00

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Hopefully you have an ice skate with you to take care of that abscessed tooth, and a soccer ball to keep you company.

steve davis - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:49:33

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You stand a good chance of living healthy on a well stocked deserted island.
No booze,no tobacco and plenty of fresh air and exercise.No prepackaged
junk food.
Goats would be a godsend.Build a pen and have milk,cheese,meat,skins
and fun pets.

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Edited by - steve davis on 11/20/2009 06:57:06

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:55:11

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WILSON!!!!

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:57:20

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Originally posted by steve davis

You stand a good chance of living healthy on a well stocked deserted island.
No booze,no tobacco and plenty of fresh air and exercise.No prepackaged
junk food.
Goats would be a godsend.Build a pen and have milk,cheese,meat and cool pets.

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Wait..... no booze?? count me out... or I guess I could brush up on my wine making abilities.... it's been awhile...lol

KE - Posted - 11/20/2009:  06:59:17

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I believe if I had a goat and a coconut, I could fashion a decent banjer.

Sam 2 - Posted - 11/20/2009:  07:00:46

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What about the Mountain Men from the past.

I was just wondering what training or life skills they may have had before they made the decision to track out into the wilderness.

Or did they just use the survival instinct they had?

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/20/2009:  07:02:39

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Originally posted by KE

I believe if I had a goat and a coconut, I could fashion a decent banjer.

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LOL

steve davis - Posted - 11/20/2009:  07:06:09

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They learned from the Indians who learned from their ancestors who learned from trial and error.

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Originally posted by Sam 2

What about the Mountain Men from the past.

I was just wondering what training or life skills they may have had before they made the decision to track out into the wilderness.

Or did they just use the survival instinct they had?

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dingo - Posted - 11/20/2009:  07:15:00

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Thats right, even the Pilgrams sat and died, instead of living of the land, oh my, if that happened to them, what would happen to the folks of today!!!!!!!!!!!

steve davis - Posted - 11/20/2009:  07:47:00

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The pilgrims weren't prepared for winter.

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/20/2009:  08:41:13

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Originally posted by kyblugrass

quote:

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Originally posted by steve davis

You stand a good chance of living healthy on a well stocked deserted island.
No booze,no tobacco and plenty of fresh air and exercise.No prepackaged
junk food.
Goats would be a godsend.Build a pen and have milk,cheese,meat and cool pets.

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Wait..... no booze?? count me out... or I guess I could brush up on my wine making abilities.... it's been awhile...lol

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If there are coconuts you can make all the booze you want...Jungle Juice for all. With the sugar from fruit and the yeast that naturally grows on them, like the yeast that grows on grapes, you can make a form of coconut wine.

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/20/2009:  08:42:22

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The pilgrims weren't prepared for anything but for making war.

CurtissWhite - Posted - 11/20/2009:  09:05:01

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Originally posted by steve davis

The pilgrims weren't prepared for winter.

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They were going to land further south, but they ran out of beer. Fact.

backtothefuture - Posted - 11/20/2009:  09:40:06

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Originally posted by Nosferatu

The pilgrims weren't prepared for anything but for making war.

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Tick...tick...tick...tick....

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/20/2009:  09:40:11

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The deal with beer, they drank it because the water on board would have gone bad by the time they reached land it would have killed them.

dat - Posted - 11/20/2009:  09:45:14

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most everybody takes for granted clean drinking water now a days

Ronnie - Posted - 11/20/2009:  09:52:32

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Never been in this situation, but I believe I could survive.

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/20/2009:  10:02:29

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A country boy can survive

Ronnie - Posted - 11/20/2009:  10:10:59

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I would probably need my old Navy Bluejacket's manual. Any bird is edible. You can eat bugs and lizards if you have to.

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/20/2009:  10:36:01

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We eat bugs all the time....There is at least 8 bug legs in one candy bar.

Brian T - Posted - 11/20/2009:  11:16:06

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Les Stroud/Survivorman is the real deal. He may get some pointers from the locals but he videos his own trip after they all leave. I'm impressed with his free-thinking sense of innovation. Water, fire, food. Watch him make a fire with a bow-drill. Can you do that? Practice before you have to need to do it. I can use a magnesium block with the striker flint, and the knife which is chained to the mag block, to get a good fire going in less than 30 seconds. Twice, I have been "geographically challenged". When you discover and realize that the only other dope out there in the winter forest is yourself (finding my own tracks), time to take stock.

For me, it could be as simple as a sudden windstorm and a blowdown (trees across the ONLY road) for miles. I have an aluminum screwtop can, a bit bigger than a beer can with my overnight kit in it. Thanks to Les, I have changed some of the contents.

Desert island? If there's coconut palms, I think I'd be OK provided that the circumstance that put me there left me in reasonable health/physical condition.

Sam 2 - Posted - 11/20/2009:  11:28:31

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Excellent answers....I actually believe some folks could survive. I have also seen that training would be a important part of the process.

No one actually said so, but I'm guessing human instinct would not be of much use unless a person had some training to go along with it. Would that be correct ?

I also agree 100% about the thinking...and then taking action. It would hard for me to get my mind to a point where I could think about what I needed to do until such time as the shock of being there and the posibility of dying left.

btw is this the book y'all are talking about

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/20/2009:  11:38:14

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That's a very good book to have around.

I think human instinct has been lost to the times way back somewhere in NE Africa....The only instinct we have left is to get out of the rain and some don't even have that. We have to be taught most everything we know, that's why we have such a long childhood.

Keep in mind, coconut meat and the milk is a hard working laxative.

Thank you,
"Count" Hugh

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Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/20/2009 13:18:45

dat - Posted - 11/20/2009:  12:28:03

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we were talking the other day about what used to be normal living, like smoking and curing meat, salt barrels for vegies or meat, sausage in lard barrels, canning and preserving foods without electricity or ice. it's a lost art that we have lost in one or maby two generations, even a lot of the older people don't remember for sure how to do a lot of it anymore, they remember it as a kid but not the details. I think it's something that we're going to have to know how to do again, or starve if you don't

steve davis - Posted - 11/20/2009:  12:42:35

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My grandfather and two crew members got iced in on George's Island.
The ocean used to freeze over half-way to Monhegan Island(5 miles)
in those days.They were trying to get back to Port Clyde after a day out
setting tub trawls and couldn't get any further.
There was a tiny summer store there and they broke in to find two cans of sardines and a few crackers.

They shared one can of sardines and used the other one to lure sea gulls
close enough to throw rocks at.
They finally beaned one and ate it.

Gramp said that was the nastiest thing he ever put in his mouth.

The Coast Guard broke through to them two days later.

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steve davis - Posted - 11/20/2009:  13:21:30

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Those aren't lost arts around here,dat.

kyblugrass - Posted - 11/20/2009:  19:46:13

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I would think people that grew up hard, dirt farmers like my family's background would have a bit of a lead on the folks that lived in the city all their lives. I have to say, growing up dirt poor, I learned to not be real picky about what I eat. My biggest problem would be trying to eat something that would probably kill me...lol

Brian T - Posted - 11/20/2009:  21:22:19

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Call it "training" if you like. The book is no darn good at the bottom of the ocean. Come and visit. We fool around about halfway to the middle of nowhere. Practicing survival skills is kind of a game. I'm no survivalist but oh my goodness do city folks have no idea that a rock slide will REALLY kill you. So will a big tree branch in a high wind (RIP Mike Lund 1995). You will never hear it coming.
My kids (in their 30's) don't blink when we take off into the snow filled forest in January in the mountains. They think that that the old man has is totally cased but some days, I feel the risks. I have far, far more "goodies" in the truck than those guys ever imagine.
All I can say is: "Plan." The neighbors might think you're stupid to take such precautions, but they're ripping at your tent when things go down. You all gunned up? Do I get to squish parasites?

granada40 - Posted - 11/24/2009:  08:12:39

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I'd probably die on the first day.

10gauge - Posted - 11/24/2009:  09:02:17

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I have tried using a bow drill that I made from stuff in the forest to start a fire and wasn't able to get a fire started. It seemed like I almost had it, but I just couldn't quite close the deal. Also, I read that if you drink sea water slowly and sparingly that it can keep you alive for a long time. It will eventually kill you, but it will keep you going for weeks and weeks. The folks who die from drinking the sea water are the ones who don't drink at all for days and then their bodies are not capable of getting rid of the salt quickly enough when they do finally gulp down a gallon in desperation. I read that the death that follows is not a pleasant one.

Kenneth Logsdon - Posted - 11/24/2009:  17:51:20

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Not very many in todays society will make it... Those of us in the public service end see it every day...Very few really have any concept of the "real" world.. Their world consists of fiction and games on some type of screen.. Mama nature will bite..

Nosferatu - Posted - 11/24/2009:  18:00:50

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Originally posted by 10gauge

I have tried using a bow drill that I made from stuff in the forest to start a fire and wasn't able to get a fire started. It seemed like I almost had it, but I just couldn't quite close the deal. Also, I read that if you drink sea water slowly and sparingly that it can keep you alive for a long time. It will eventually kill you, but it will keep you going for weeks and weeks. The folks who die from drinking the sea water are the ones who don't drink at all for days and then their bodies are not capable of getting rid of the salt quickly enough when they do finally gulp down a gallon in desperation. I read that the death that follows is not a pleasant one.

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That isn't so..I will kill you soon enough. IF you MUST drink something...drink your pee.

10gauge:

Your amber wasn't getting enough 0-2.

If you want fire from a bow, you must put a notch all the way through the block where the drill drilled the hole. That's where the 0-2 will get to the small amber and you can then knock the amber off from the block into your tinder through that notch. All the wood MUST be DRY..Very dry. Look for an old birds nest for tinder and have shaved wood ready to get a good flame.

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Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/24/2009 18:19:03