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Sam 2 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:01:31
I have read some books and watched some survival shows and this guy always makes it out alive but there is always a camera crew etc. etc. with him.
If you were in an actual plane crash, boat sinking, natural disaster whatever, do you honestly think you could survive for and extended period of time in a deserted area where you had nothing to start with.
I don’t believe I could make it for more than a little while.
What is the first thing you would do.
Edited by - Sam 2 on 11/19/2009 13:04:05
pickNgrin - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:04:03
Find fresh water. If you've got that you could prolly make it. If not you'd have a tough time of it.
-matt
pickNgrin - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:15:02
There is a pretty good book called Adrift by Steven Callahan. It's a true story about a guy who spent 76 days alone in a rubber life raft and lived to tell about it. You'd think he was bored, but it took a lot of effort to keep himself alive.
-matt
Edited by - pickNgrin on 11/19/2009 13:15:43
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:16:57
It all depends on the size of the island and what's on the island. Is there water, amimal life, hard woods, grass, etc?
Banjo John C - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:20:13
Thanks to the 'ol Boy Scouts, i believe i could.
Sam 2 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:26:42
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
It all depends on the size of the island and what's on the island. Is there water, amimal life, hard woods, grass, etc?
Yes all of the above are there...I was talking more in terms of would you be able to put those things to use and be able to survive.
dbaty - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:35:30
Sure, you'd be surprised at what you can endure or do. Look at how people survived on almost nothing at the hands of the Japs during WWII in their island prison camps. They were lucky if they got a bowl of rice a week. It's all about attitude and the will to live. I wouldn't want to find out or go through something like that tho. Forget the reality shows, their a joke.
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:38:11
Me and my friends would be just fine
Compass56 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 13:56:50
Without bottled water and my jcrew catalog, I'd fold in two days.
Kevin B - Posted - 11/19/2009: 14:48:58
I shudder to think what would happen if it was all the chickens had deserted the island. I'm not sure how long I could go without hot wings.
Edited by - Kevin B on 11/19/2009 15:05:05
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 14:49:04
Build a shelter first then commence to foraging and reconoitering.
dat - Posted - 11/19/2009: 14:53:59
the will to survive is stronger than people realize
AndBanjoWasHisNameO - Posted - 11/19/2009: 14:58:12
I'd be fine 'cuz I'd have my 10 favorite cd's with me...right?
kyblugrass - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:00:26
quote:
Originally posted by dat
the will to survive is stronger than people realize
MUCH stronger.... I have ready many studies on this and it still amazes me how people can survive in certain situations.
ambpicker - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:30:38
Not all islands would be survivable.
But if there were fresh water, availability of any type of food, I am quite certain I could stay alive.
Those reality shows are a disgrace.
And the survivor fellow on TV, Bear Gryllis, almost gives a clinic on what NOT to do to survive. Some of his basic stuff is good to know, but if one were alone in a survival situation, you should never do any of the high risk stunts he seems obsessed with.
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:44:52
Protect your feet and don't break any bones.
KE - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:46:29
If the island has all the things you say, AND I get to bring my survival 'go bag', yes. But since you said we had nothing to start with, then I would have some doubts. You can solve a lot of problems with the resources at hand, but medical problems and accidents would make survival a chance proposition.
pandjlocke - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:46:48
quote:
Originally posted by Sam 2
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
It all depends on the size of the island and what's on the island. Is there water, amimal life, hard woods, grass, etc?
Yes all of the above are there...I was talking more in terms of would you be able to put those things to use and be able to survive.
Sounds like all the comforts of home. Survival would be no problem. I might not want to come back.  
Sam 2 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:54:13
quote:
Originally posted by KE
If the island has all the things you say, AND I get to bring my survival 'go bag', yes. But since you said we had nothing to start with, then I would have some doubts. You can solve a lot of problems with the resources at hand, but medical problems and accidents would make survival a chance proposition.
I was talking about nothing to start with as in no tools, or little pieces of string, or stuff like they have on the show. The things necessary to survive would be there but a person would need the mental and physical resoruces to benifit from them. I just dont think I have them. I do believe people have a strong will to survive. But if you dont know what to do, then what. I also realize this is far fetched, but it could happen ya know.
Edited by - Sam 2 on 11/19/2009 15:57:18
BConk - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:57:13
I'd say the first thing to do would be to find shelter - then water - then food.
Depending on the climate - lack of shelter can kill you overnight, lack of water can kill you in a matter of days, lack of food can kill you in a matter of weeks.
Having said that - even if all the above were available in abundance - the (presumed) lack of movies with either Kate Beckinsale or Kate Winslet in them would probably do me in eventually.
Sam 2 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:59:55
or if they were there with you possibly sooner than later !!!
just a joke
BConk - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:02:12
nyuk nyuk nyuk - Sam gets off a good one
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:13:27
Walk around the shoreline to find whatever kind of creatures are lurking under seaweed,in the shallow water or under the sand or rocks.Small crabs,tiny fish,kelp,shore greens.
Make a fish/crab trap out of your jeans or shirt by tying off the sleeves/legs
and leaving the waist open so lunch can crawl in.
Put some smashed crabs or fish in the sleeves/legs for bait.
Tie it to a long stick and set it out in the water. Haul the "trap" a few
hours later and see if you got lucky.
Fish can be salted(evaporate sea water for salt) and dried in the sun and taste quite good.Only takes 3 days to dry a fish.
After you eat enough fish (brain food) you'll get smarter and think of other ways to survive.
KE - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:21:33
Can I be stranded with Steve? That actually sounds good.
CW Spook - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:26:15
With nothing, probably not. With what I always I keep close at hand to prevent that possibility, absolutely.
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:31:59
quote:
Originally posted by Sam 2
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
It all depends on the size of the island and what's on the island. Is there water, amimal life, hard woods, grass, etc?
Yes all of the above are there...I was talking more in terms of would you be able to put those things to use and be able to survive.
Yes I would and I have been schooled on the subject as well as tested.
ambpicker - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:41:36
So, how did it go, or are you at liberty to tell us what it was like?
Did you jump out of plane with a parachute and a TV camera crew ?
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:41:44
Key:
Think
Sit
Think
Observe
Plan
Water, Shelter, Fire, Food.
You'll need to learn the skills on how to make and find.
Get an FM 21-76 and learn it and to do the things you've learned.
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/19/2009 16:48:31
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:52:06
quote:
Originally posted by ambpicker
So, how did it go, or are you at liberty to tell us what it was like?
Did you jump out of plane with a parachute and a TV camera crew ?
No TV camera but a Instructor whose done it before and for real. And growing up on the Rez hunting, fishing, hiking, living off the land helped a lot too.
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/19/2009 17:19:16
ambpicker - Posted - 11/19/2009: 17:01:13
Hey that's cool stuff.
I've never done anything quite like that.
Most of my life, I've been some various type of work slave drone.
I'm not complaining though, really. It's been a good life.
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 17:09:06
Look for stones that can be tools such as hammer,axe and knife.
Shale type rocks will have sharp flakes for cutting fish and beasts of the land.
Bones for stitching, fish hooks and spears and a parrott for conversation.
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/19/2009: 17:10:58
Think and live like a caveman or maybe more like an Ancient Polynesian.
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/19/2009 17:20:49
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/19/2009: 17:14:10
Shell Fishooks:
Jaminbanjo - Posted - 11/19/2009: 17:16:27
I think I could.
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 17:22:02
Nice hooks...pretty inlays.
mike gregory - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:09:22
If there's no fresh water, can a person survive by sucking the blood (such as it is) of the crabs or fish?
Or is that too salty?
Sam 2 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:17:06
Without proper training do you think any of this would be possible.
I would also like to know if you think at some point before you starve would instinct take over and guide you on what to do.
If an animal, lets say a dog that had been raised as a pet and fed by humans all his life found its self in the same situation. Would his instinct tell him what to do, and would he have a better chance than a person.
Does a person possess any of that same instinct possibly on a different level.
Banjoitus - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:20:59
You could always get on the internet and ask the hangouters what to do!
Sam 2 - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:22:20
Excellent point !!!!
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:23:55
Not too salty,but leaves can be arranged to gather rain water as in lining
a natural or dug hole and shells can be used to store the water.
If there is foliage it's getting fresh water from a spring or pond which
is where the reconoitering comes in.
PF. - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:26:05
you could make a water still( iguess youd say) instead of the crab blood. I know my singing would get better
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:35:03
Dogs would be quicker finding game and water with their super noses.
A dog would help you find these things and be a real asset for your survival
along with being a heat source and having the excellent healing properties of their tongue (saliva).
Voyageur - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:36:48
Cool topic! Mike, good question; I'd say yes. Of course it would be different for different species, but the internal fluids of crabs, etc. would be less salty than seawater. Think about eating a freshly-opened oyster - the fluid inside is salty but way less than seawater, or we could not eat them that way.
As far as instinct - well, if you were hungry enough you might be willing to try anything, but it wouldn't be the same as with a dog. A dog's instinct would immediately "tell" it to chase down a moving prey animal, grab it by the neck and give it a good hard snap. But no matter how much I might want to do that, I don't have the physical abilities. No, Hugh is clearly right: we'd need to do what humans do best: think. Could someone with absolutely NO experience or training think of ways to survive. I think some would not, but some might surprise themselves.
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 18:41:25
A lot of Pilgrims didn't make it.
Solo - Posted - 11/19/2009: 19:18:41
Always sitting in the bottom of my daypack is a very light and complete survival kit, knife, swedish fire steel, compass and water bottle, along with ultralight jacket, pants and 6 oz. bivy. It weighs next to nothing and takes up little space. FM 21-76 is an excellent source of information, and contains subjects to be pondered and practiced before the worst case scenario happens. Not only are you then better prepared for your own survival, but also prepared to assist someone who might be injured and unprepared. Always think worst case scenario, and keep solutions buzzing around in your head, any time you stray from "civilization".
But, my best book on survival was published in 1913, called "Alone In The Wilderness" by John Knowles. One of the first photographs shows him being sent off into the wilderness, naked as a jay bird. He had nothing, not a stitch of clothing nor pocket knife, nothing but confidence. It tells how he built shelter, found food and water, clothing, and fire for warmth during his critical first days. It's been some time since I've read this, but I believe that he survived a Maine winter alone and emerged next spring at Wilton, Me., enduring interesting challenges.
What he did have was extensive knowledge of woodlore, and methods of Wabanaki tribes. He made longbows, fletched arrows, made stone axes, trapped and fished by making his own hooks.
I believe that this book has been reprinted from the original, and is a fascinating read.
Edited by - Solo on 11/19/2009 19:26:54
steve davis - Posted - 11/19/2009: 19:57:18
That sounds like an interesting book.
I met the guys in my band in 1977 while I was living in Wilton and
going to Farmington College on The Bill.
I didn't survive college,but I still play music with the same old hippies.
XXXris - Posted - 11/19/2009: 20:08:08
quote:
Originally posted by Compass56
Without bottled water and my jcrew catalog, I'd fold in two days.
Compass: don't worry, you can get the catalog on the iphone now!
Solo - Posted - 11/19/2009: 20:09:35
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
That sounds like an interesting book.
I met the guys in my band in 1977 while I was living in Wilton and
going to Farmington College on The Bill.
I didn't survive college,but I still play music with the same old hippies.
Steve, there's nothing as good as those old friends. Talking about survival, looks as if you endured a rugged season with the price of lobsters tanking. Hat's off to you, best wishes for next year. May the southwesters come early and die late.
brokenstrings - Posted - 11/19/2009: 21:21:16
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