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gottasmilealot - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:41:53
No more signatures. You can read about it and comment on Eric's blog at the address you quoted.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:44:00
You didn't answer my question above.
Thank you
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Dennis
You edited out (deleted) my picture that I manually inserted.
You forgot delete my name, too. 
Oh....and the period.
Edited by - backtothefuture on 11/18/2009 12:58:01
jazzylynne - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:46:53
Adding them manually would defeat the purpose of banning signatures wouldn't it?
Please don't.
gottasmilealot - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:49:24
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As of today, we're no longer allowing signatures on forum posts.
Dennis, I'm not sure which part you did not understand, but I hope this answers your question.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:49:33
Eric should really say that they are banned in his blog.
It it not clear.
Are we allowed to sign our names? Put pictures in post?
I'm not being argumentative, I just want this clarified, as it should be.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:54:23
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Originally posted by gottasmilealot
quote:
As of today, we're no longer allowing signatures on forum posts.
Dennis, I'm not sure which part you did not understand, but I hope this answers your question.
I read and understand that they have been disallowed. So I an no longer at pictures to posts? I assume that I can write "Dennis" Or "Happy Thanksgiving" , etc. I have been told "please don't." This means I cannot add them? If so... you need to amend the rules section. Thank you. No name.
mtnpckr - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:55:26
I begin to see how you have almost 69,000 posts!
Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:58:16
I think that you can add appropriate material to your post, as always. And sign your name. I have no inside knowledge, but I think the idea is to avoid material that was formerly allowed in signatures but not in posts, as well as to clean up the long appendages full of quotations and web addresses that some posters automatically appended to every post. By making all material part of the post, it is now all subject to the rules, which are now the same for all material. Makes sense to me.
jazzylynne - Posted - 11/18/2009: 13:00:51
Please don't means... DON'T
Eric didn't change it just to make it harder to do by having to do it manually.
If you post it, it should be pertinent to the topic you are posting in.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 13:06:40
Again....not being argumentative.
I just wanted clarification. Again some needs to clarify this in the rules section.
Thank you!
Have a nice day.
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Dennis
KE - Posted - 11/18/2009: 13:09:19
I'm not sure how many people read Eric's blog. Perhaps a sticky notice somewhere would help?
Just think of all the electrons saved! On the other hand those folks growing and harvesting gigabytes are out of a job.
schlange - Posted - 11/18/2009: 13:22:39
To be clear: you can write whatever you want in your posts, as long as it's within the rules... I just disabled the part of the system which allows you to save a signature and automatically add it to every post.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 13:34:32
Thank you for clarifying.
I hope you can understand where I was coming from. As a programmer, Eric, you know you must do things clearly and precisely. That's all I was asking for.
I was a little surprised when I saw George Formby deleted from my post above, as I manually inserted it.
oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 11/18/2009: 14:04:39
The purpose of my signature was to save time trying to fully answer every question. I haven't got time to re-write everything I have pertinent to each question for every question. That's why I wrote it all down in Rocket Science Banjo.
As of now I don't see much reason to post much more than my URL and tell people they can find my answer to their question there.
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/18/2009: 14:21:22
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Originally posted by oldwoodchuckb
The purpose of my signature was to save time trying to fully answer every question. I haven't got time to re-write everything I have pertinent to each question for every question. That's why I wrote it all down in Rocket Science Banjo.
As of now I don't see much reason to post much more than my URL and tell people they can find my answer to their question there.
I can understand your consternation. Your signature line was never anything more than a way to show folks how to get free help on the banjo. Unfortunately, so many turned their signature lines into preaching, selling or baiting that i think the rule is a good one. I am just sorry that the signature line was abused by some users to the point where it had to affect you, as yours was laways all about banjo picking and helping others. Hangin there, oldwoodchuckb. I bet Eric will even let you keep a classified ad for $0.00 telling folks where to get your help and you can refer to your ad occasionally. Just an idea. Eric's rule is a good one and your help of others is a great service. You have always had my respect and my admiration ad your willingness to share with others with no thought of material gain. Don PS Weather conditions are such that it hurts too much to try to repair all typos at the moment. Thanks for understanding!
Edited by - BvilleDon on 11/18/2009 14:23:36
mrphysics55 - Posted - 11/18/2009: 14:47:28
Wha ?!
Well, I'll be.
Edited by - mrphysics55 on 11/18/2009 15:49:45
Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/18/2009: 15:09:09
I never liked signature lines, anyway.
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"My mission in life is really very simple. I want to make somebody's dinner better." - Chef Paul Prudhomme
Check out my webpage.
Edited by - Don Borchelt on 11/18/2009 15:09:30
Oalbrets - Posted - 11/18/2009: 15:35:11
Me either Don.
dmiller - Posted - 11/18/2009: 19:24:50
Mine was just a simple pic of my great-grandfather's family crest brought from over Scotland,
with an embedded link of Bela picking with Natalie MacMaster. 
rjanecek - Posted - 11/18/2009: 19:47:48
good choice and long LONG over due....
Brian T - Posted - 11/18/2009: 23:01:02
Time for a food fight.
minstrelmike - Posted - 11/19/2009: 08:59:59
I'm glad they're gone.
Mike Moxcey
Private sig line. Do not read under penalty of law.
Hazen - Posted - 11/19/2009: 15:28:31
We all can follow rules I assume. If you have a problem with the rules here please try out the mafia but I think you will like it better here at the moment. Eric does a great job. I think he is just trying to keep from having to deal with some challenging personalities.
meatmissle - Posted - 11/19/2009: 20:24:20
I'm sure that my reasons for agreeing with this decision have nothing to do with why they were discontinued, but I think they are valid anyway.
I had a couple Thoreau quotes on mine and had been meaning to delete them for a while. While I felt that the quotes helped share who I am - and I don't think that what I used were necessarily considered a social faux pas - they expressed an opinion that rarely had anything to do with what I was posting about. I am certain that it is my own short-coming, but since I have no other way to know the people who's opinions and ideas I read, I have a tendency to put more value in the the things that they choose to use in their signature than I probably should. When someone puts something in a signature that I very strongly disagree with, I have a tendency to disregard anything they say out-of-hand; believe me, when it comes to learning styles, generalizations, and music I can disagree very strongly with just about anyone ). Opinions are wonderful and I love a good argument more than most, but when discussing a specific topic there is no need for irrelevant contributions. Since this web site is all about banjos and learning how to play them, I agree that extraneous opinions have no place within the posts. Personality is really irrelevant when it comes to the internet. People can pretend to be whomever they choose; and do. No need to complicate things with random views, opinions, and beliefs. If you want to socialize, get off your computer and go do something. Not to suggest that this is not an outlet for meeting people and sharing ideas, but the internet is not a place where you can really get to know people. If you want to try to know a person, and the only outlet you have is the internet, send them an email full of your non-banjo related opinions. I'm sure most of us don't stand on street corners espousing our random ideas to complete strangers. Some signatures (including mine) are not that dissimilar to just that. I'm actually embarassed to have done that
While not all signatures had anything to do with opinions, ideas, or beliefs, the majority of them did whether people realize it or not. Add that to Eric's frustration with the various other reasons he has given for making this decision and the choice is clear. Get rid of the signatures.
or maybe this is just another of my weird opinions?
BanjoDiva - Posted - 11/20/2009: 10:34:19
Dennis, if you are going to manually add George Formby to every post you make, it is going to substantially slow down your posting rate!
Texasbanjo - Posted - 11/20/2009: 15:55:09
Test. This should be page 2. Let's see if it works (In answer to a question of non-existent page thread).
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/22/2009: 10:15:39
quote:
Originally posted by jazzylynne
Please don't means... DON'T
Eric didn't change it just to make it harder to do by having to do it manually.
If you post it, it should be pertinent to the topic you are posting in.
According to what Eric said in his sticky, To be clear: you can write whatever you want in your posts, as long as it's within the rules... I just disabled the part of the system which allows you to save a signature and automatically add it to every post.
So in other words, I can manually put in whatever I want. It does NOT say that it has to be pertinent to the topic. Again....not trying to be argumentative.....as I've said before....but there has to be some agreement in the rules with the people that MAKE the rules and the people that ENFORCE the rules. There are still people that are not sure if they can sign there names at the ends of their posts.
gottasmilealot - Posted - 11/22/2009: 11:07:08
Because you can do something doesn't mean you have to. Eric is implementing things from time to time to make the site better, make it run more efficiently, or in the interest of it having less problems. People can sign their names. You quoted the rules, and Eric has made a statement in this regard, so you've answered your own question (without being argumentative, of course) and gained yet another post number. Congratulations.
If you have a moderator issue, contact Eric. That's how it's handled. It's not your concern what goes on between the moderators and Eric.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/22/2009: 11:15:23
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Originally posted by gottasmilealot
......It's not your concern what goes on between the moderators and Eric.
Excuse me? When I'm being told one thing by one person and another by another....IT IS my concern. And YOU don't have to tell ME what is my concern, sir!!! EDIT.....this is another example of the EDITORIALIZING that goes on with the moderators. Telling a person to handling it off line is fine. But it's the little digs, not only from you, Keith, but the other mods, too. I'm not talking about threads concerning this....just in general. It has been happening quite a bit lately. I think the mods do a good job, and it's a thankless job. I appreciate the job you all do. But a little less editorializing (little jabs) might not rub the membership the wrong way. Again...I'm not just siting you on this.
Edited by - backtothefuture on 11/22/2009 11:38:47
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/22/2009: 11:32:51
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Originally posted by schlange
To be clear: you can write whatever you want in your posts, as long as it's within the rules... I just disabled the part of the system which allows you to save a signature and automatically add it to every post.
This is all I need to know. I like mine. I'm a NECHVILLIAN! You don't know until you KNOW! Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/22/2009: 11:37:51
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Originally posted by backtothefuture
quote:
Originally posted by gottasmilealot
......It's not your concern what goes on between the moderators and Eric.
Excuse me?
When I'm being told one thing by one person and another by another....IT IS my concern.
And YOU don't have to tell ME what is my concern, sir!!!
I have to agree. Especially when it is obvious that some mods were confused as to what the new rule means and what Eric allows. Thanks for clearing it up Eric. If Dennis hadn't brought it up we ALL would still be in the dark, dazed and confused. Thank you too Dennis. I'm a NECHVILLIAN! You don't know until you KNOW! Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/22/2009: 12:02:05
Ok.....as I said in another thread....I'm outta here on this topic.
Y'all do what y'all want to do.
Poppy - Posted - 11/22/2009: 12:05:36
lets make this real simple, atleast until I am told different, IF you decide to post a sig line, I will treat it as part of your post, so remember the rules.
KE - Posted - 11/23/2009: 05:18:36
If the purpose of a signature is to identify yourself (name, rank, serial number), contact information, and a little autobiography, then isn't that the purpose of the homepage? Anybody who wants such information can easily click to learn more, and those who don't can avoid scrolling through it dozens if not thousands of times. If you want to force people to look at your "stuff", then buy an ad.
Jammer - Posted - 12/01/2009: 17:48:56
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Originally posted by KE
If the purpose of a signature is to identify yourself (name, rank, serial number), contact information, and a little autobiography, then isn't that the purpose of the homepage? Anybody who wants such information can easily click to learn more, and those who don't can avoid scrolling through it dozens if not thousands of times. If you want to force people to look at your "stuff", then buy an ad.
And THERE is the truth to the matter I feel. It's about FREE ADVERTISING- imho. I do NOT support the ban, but I would support obvious free advertising ban efforts. I rather see personal mp3 links allowed, as nobody really buys mp3s these days anyway, most take the freebies if they like them and go. I had an American flag in my sig, and I stated to support American workers. I can understand where some members could mistake my intent, but on the other hand I feel we have had such rights here ever since I can remember, and NOW it's taken away from us. It's Eric's site, but I do not feel like visiting here as often. So, to each their own. I stated my opinion, as others have. I strongly feel I will be looking for another banjo site. I value little things like SIGS. I expect our AVATARS may be next. I have enjoyed this site since 2003. But it's no longer the same. I wish you all well. Me
schlange - Posted - 12/01/2009: 21:24:18
Jammer--you can "suspect" and "expect" whatever you'd like, of course, but the decision to remove sigs wasn't about trying to get people to buy advertising, and I have zero intention of ever removing avatars.
Wherever you decide to roam, I wish you well.
Jammer - Posted - 12/01/2009: 23:23:54
quote:
Originally posted by schlange
Jammer--you can "suspect" and "expect" whatever you'd like, of course, but the decision to remove sigs wasn't about trying to get people to buy advertising, and I have zero intention of ever removing avatars.
Wherever you decide to roam, I wish you well.
It's always nice to hear an admin's side of a site, no matter what kind, or how large or small the site may be. I think security gate #2 must of messed up and allowed my little reply to get thru to your house party. (ok, maybe not so funny) Eric, I have seen 2 other sites get into a disagreement with their members over SIGS, and with both of them it boiled down to SIGS amounting for FREE ADVERTISING. If you say there is another reason, I will try to take your word for it because you have never struck me as a bad dude. It's your domain and I must respect that. But for some of us our SIGS wear a means of expressing what was most important to ourselves with a drawing/picture, a few words, or a link. After being able to do this on your site only a few years shy of a decade, some how it does not seem the same any more. I guess I'm too old school on this subject. I really miss the Banjo hangout from a few years ago, before we had "union" drives for cash, which amounts to selling membership dues on top of the advertising already here. All I can give is my time, but if it's more rewarding to go to other sites many will do it. (imho) I have put in my share of time here, I am not going to say I wont be back, but in seeing it's a little less fun for me to surf here, I doubt I will ever visit as often as I used too. I feel that your mod Ronnie is most correct from the rumors I have heard elsewhere. I'm sure there are members that never supported sigs, but yet many of us already miss having them. You made me smile when you said you will allow avatars, because I once seen a site do such a thing as I worked there as a mod myself. People went from trying to use very large banner ads in their sigs to sell their own products and latter stuck their ads or links to be used as their avatars. So out with the avatars. If you really do keep our avatars up it will help. But many of us will miss the sigs. I keep thinking maybe there was another less drastic way of limiting whatever was offensive. Hugh and I agree about throwing the baby out, that is a big "10-4". Terry (AKA as: Me)
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