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Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/18/2009: 06:09:50
How exactly does one propose to go about cleaning up a topic about an autobiography of a controversial, fundamentalist politician with future political ambitions, editing out the politics and religion and then re-open a topic about an autobiography of a controversial, fundamentalist politician with future political ambitions? Seriously?
Lee Callicutt
jhedblom - Posted - 11/18/2009: 06:29:48
Be careful you may offend some one . We can all be the same cant we? What happened to Christmas? Did our identity offend a group? Jack
Axeman79 - Posted - 11/18/2009: 06:40:01
I would suppose that the real question to answer first would be "what are the relative connections of the topic to the primary interests of the BHO?"
I have an interest in collecting stamps and as a general topic it is not relevant here,except if I were to discuss the family of stamps that feature music, bluegrass, banjo, etc.
Some topics are obviously connected to banjo or music, others will be on the fringe, and some will not fit. For those that do not fit, perhaps they can be taken to other forums or blogs that are more appropriate.
As for me, I simply ignore topics that do not interest me.
Axeman
If the minimum wasn't good enough...it wouldn't be the minimum.
Trashbanjo - Posted - 11/18/2009: 07:00:51
sounds like too much trouble to even bother with.
"Pick it right or pick through it,just don't stop".
Vic Jenkins
RaYhOLio - Posted - 11/18/2009: 07:22:45
it's simple.. putting it in political terms.. Banjo Hangout is NOT a democratic republic.. There is no 'free speech' in a privately owned forum. You will discuss only what the hierarchy approves.
The government does not protect your rights when they infringe on others liberties. The banjo hangout has the right, and associated liberties to run a business or hobby in any way they please. just as you do.. The effect of this arrangement is call 'free market'.. If you don't like the way someone does business, you can just not frequent them.. if enough are like minded, they will cease to exist.
If you feel that arrangement robs you of your rights, you have every right under our current government to frequent another site.. support other advertisers, etc.
So, although I, like you would love to discuss very 'touchy' subjects here, and everywhere else.. and I believe that would not be harmful to the community.. I surrender that want so that I can benefit from all the perks of visiting the BHO.. I feel it's a great trade..
one more thing.. I've NEVER been on a forum where folks are nicer.. and who knows.. maybe it's just the people.. but maybe the fact that arguing about politics is basically banned has something to do with it. I've been on forums where everyone knows everyone else’s politics.. and they can't discuss a lawn tractor without getting snippy.. "oh! That's just the kind of tractor a liberal like joe would get!" we seem to avoid that here.
-RayHoLiO
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Edited by - RaYhOLio on 11/18/2009 07:28:17
uncledelphi - Posted - 11/18/2009: 07:41:52
quote:
Originally posted by RaYhOLio
I've NEVER been on a forum where folks are nicer..
If this is true, then there must be some really mean forums out there...
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/18/2009: 08:20:58
I've been self-employed for thirty years or so, so I'm pretty sure I don't have to have free market economics as it relates to democracy or free speech explained to me. Nor am I proposing that mine, or anyone elses' "rights" have been infringed upon in any way in this forum.
I'm simply pointing out (as only Mark seems to have noticed, and anyone else should have gleaned from the topic title "Impossible Plan,") that we should either adhere to the prohibition of religious and political topics or we shouldn't (I know discretion is called for with regard to prayer requests, etc.)
To do otherwise is falling into the trap of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Lee Callicutt
RaYhOLio - Posted - 11/18/2009: 08:39:37
I just wouldn't participate in that topic if BHO admins.. does not allow it to be discussed in a manor that is favorable..
This is the suggestion forum.. and you are giving a suggestion.. I don't think you're in the wrong here.. don't get me wrong.. I just don't think it's all that big of a deal, because it's well known that BHO deeply frowns upon most political and religious speech..
-RayHoLiO
Makin' grass grow in Joplin, MO
www.joplingreenscape.com
Want a bail out plan that actually works??
www.fairtax.org
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/18/2009: 08:43:39
I hear ya! No offense taken or intended. You guys have a great day, I gotta' go make some money!
Lee Callicutt
Texasbanjo - Posted - 11/18/2009: 09:14:42
The topic you're talking about has been cleaned up (as well as I can) and is open again. If it doesn't stay clean, THEN we'll lock it for good. It's a new idea that we're using to see if it helps.
To answer your question: you can say "yes, I'm going to buy the book" or "No, I'm not going to buy the book"and neither of those statements are political.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
Edited by - Texasbanjo on 11/18/2009 09:16:14
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 09:21:30
Thought it was funny that up until about 20 something posts....nobody, but nobody even so much as mentioned a name (as in the book's author's name). That was good.
Then someone had to go mention Joe Biden, albeit, in a humorous way. But that post about Biden could still be considered political.
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Dennis
 
Poppy - Posted - 11/18/2009: 09:25:29
In the thread, it just asks will you buy it? why stat a political discussion when you know it will be locked, or at the very least edited.
"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg
KE - Posted - 11/18/2009: 09:26:38
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
The topic you're talking about has been cleaned up (as well as I can) and is open again. If it doesn't stay clean, THEN we'll lock it for good. It's a new idea that we're using to see if it helps.
To answer your question: you can say "yes, I'm going to buy the book" or "No, I'm not going to buy the book"and neither of those statements are political.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
Could you please consider reopening the closed thread on evolution? If you can discuss this book, surely we can discuss science. Thank you.
KE - Posted - 11/18/2009: 09:39:39
Pretty please?
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/18/2009: 10:20:22
quote:
Originally posted by KE
Pretty please?
The mods???? ------------->   . Dennis
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/18/2009: 15:07:19
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
To answer your question: you can say "yes, I'm going to buy the book" or "No, I'm not going to buy the book"and neither of those statements are political.
True enough, neither of those affirmative or negative answers are political STATEMENTS in and of themselves, but the rules say "Political or religious TOPICS are prohibited." You don't think the subject matter of Sarah Palin's book, "Going Rogue" and posting a question as to whether anyone is going to buy it is a political topic? Sorry, I know it seems like I'm busting your chops and I apologize for that but I just don't understand the logic or reasoning here. I appreciate your work and efforts despite our differences of opinion.
Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/18/2009: 15:14:07
Texasbanjo wrote: "The topic you're talking about has been cleaned up (as well as I can) and is open again. If it doesn't stay clean, THEN we'll lock it for good. It's a new idea that we're using to see if it helps."
Now I'm feeling really guilty about being such a wiseacre. I apologize for my post on that thread. You deserve credit for making the attempt.
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Edited by - Don Borchelt on 11/18/2009 15:16:49
dmiller - Posted - 11/18/2009: 22:17:55
I noticed earlier today that the entire thread seems to have disappeared which (imo), was a good idea.
The offending posts had been removed, yet others had quoted those posts (in their entirety),
thus effectively negating the mods work of deleting offending posts. 
dmiller - Posted - 11/18/2009: 22:31:34
I look at it this way.
Had a new work by Tom Clancy/ James Alexander Thom/ or Louis L'Amour been published;
and then the question being asked "Would you buy this book"?
I think there would have been no problem.
The problem with the author of the "Rogue" book is that it invites political debate,
whether or not you intend to answer the question of purchasing it or not.
I'm thinking that the question dealt more with the author, rather than the book itself.
Just my .02 cents worth. 
BConk - Posted - 11/19/2009: 06:59:05
quote:
Originally posted by dmiller
Just my .02 cents worth.
Don't sell yourself short Dave - your opinion is worth far more than two hundredths of a penny.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 11/19/2009: 07:28:46
We try to clean up posts that break the rules. If it doesn't work, we delete them. If the entire thread goes south and we can't clean it up, we delete the entire thread. Simple as that.
If someone wants to start the evolution thread again, do so at your own risk (G). If everyone keeps it on target and clean, it'll stay open. If not, it's gone.
minstrelmike - Posted - 11/19/2009: 09:03:35
So essentially one person can shut down any topic except banjo-related ones in which case the person with the bad behavior is rebuked and the rest of us get to carry on.
It still ain't making no sense to me. (Anything that has to with how humans interact is political if you start examining it).
Mike Moxcey
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Edited by - minstrelmike on 11/19/2009 09:03:59
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/19/2009: 16:48:10
quote:
Originally posted by minstrelmike
(Anything that has to with how humans interact is political if you start examining it).
There's always that outside potential, if someone is so intent, but not quite in the same league of toxic cocktail of religion and politics represented by Sarah Palin.
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/19/2009: 22:50:48
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
We try to clean up posts that break the rules. If it doesn't work, we delete them. If the entire thread goes south and we can't clean it up, we delete the entire thread. Simple as that.
If someone wants to start the evolution thread again, do so at your own risk (G). If everyone keeps it on target and clean, it'll stay open. If not, it's gone.
How about an Evolution of the Banjo thread?
Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/20/2009: 05:03:14
Texasbanjo wrote: "We try to clean up posts that break the rules. If it doesn't work, we delete them. If the entire thread goes south and we can't clean it up, we delete the entire thread. Simple as that."
It is simple, and it makes common sense. I don't know why Mike thinks it still doesn't; as he says, the offender gets wiped, and the rest get to carry on. If all the mods apply this approach, I think the level of civility here will improve immensely, because it won't reward the offender by punishing the innocent.
KE - Posted - 11/20/2009: 05:29:28
The rest of us can do our part by just ignoring the offending additions to a legitimate thread, and let the moderators do their part by deleting the single offending post. It gets more complicated when you or I feel compelled to respond in kind.
jazzylynne - Posted - 11/20/2009: 06:26:09
When people quote the offending post and respond to it then it makes it a lot more difficult.
We have to delete the offending post, then the quoted post and perhaps the response to it.
Eventually it doesn't make any sense and we have to delete the entire topic.
BConk - Posted - 11/20/2009: 19:28:35
quote:
Originally posted by KE
The rest of us can do our part by just ignoring the offending additions to a legitimate thread, and let the moderators do their part by deleting the single offending post. It gets more complicated when you or I feel compelled to respond in kind.
quote:
Originally posted by jazzylynne
When people quote the offending post and respond to it then it makes it a lot more difficult.
We have to delete the offending post, then the quoted post and perhaps the response to it.
Eventually it doesn't make any sense and we have to delete the entire topic.
I've got to take this more to heart - I do this very thing sometimes - forgetting how difficult it makes things for the moderators. It's an instinct of mine I guess, to pounce - when things would sometimes be better if I just dropped a dime on the offender and alerted the Mod Squad. And having been a mod I ottah know bettah.  But then - sometimes people just need to be pounced upon 
Edited by - BConk on 11/20/2009 19:29:26
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/20/2009: 20:08:16
quote:
Originally posted by jazzylynne
When people quote the offending post and respond to it then it makes it a lot more difficult.
We have to delete the offending post, then the quoted post and perhaps the response to it......
Yes...it's more work for the mods unfortunately. But I think an offending person SHOULD be quoted. I quote and will continue to.....because: 1. The poster can delete the original post himself or edit the post. 2. Sometimes the offending poster will have made several posts and it is easier for me, when I'm trying to point out that someone has crossed the line. This is what Eric has called self-moderation and I believe he has stated the the membership does a good job with this. And as a note to the moderators.....I usually DON'T self moderate (and quote) if a moderator has already taken noticed and commented about an offending post. I do this when a moderator has not yet noticed or taken action on something.
Edited by - backtothefuture on 11/20/2009 20:09:02
KE - Posted - 11/20/2009: 22:12:52
Aye, there's the rub. If moderators take prompt action, and you have faith backed by evidence that they are willing and able to do so, then you can just leave it be ( 'it' being a violation of the rules) with the expectation that it will be handled. But if moderators don't do their job, then you feel like you need to take matters into your own hands.
Unplugged - Posted - 11/21/2009: 07:08:13
quote:
Originally posted by dmiller
[The problem with the author of the "Rogue" book is that it invites political debate,
whether or not you intend to answer the question of purchasing it or not.
I'm thinking that the question dealt more with the author, rather than the book itself.
Which is why the mods need to keep on their toes (and why we need mods in the first place). While most of the BHO member understand the rational behind the guidelines, there are also many who see themselves as "rogues" and "mavericks" and "free spirits" who love to push the limits ..... because they love to get a rise or because they have a political/religious axe to grind (and are determined to grind it wherever and whenever).
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