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mike gregory - Posted - 11/20/2009: 08:38:58
quote:
Originally posted by robbif
Pigeons? I thought they used Hummingbirds!
 Doves are pigeons; pigeons are doves. Here's the pick guard on a Gibson "Dove" (or "Pigeon", same thing!)
Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/20/2009: 10:57:26
The only "pigeon" is the one who buys that guitar.
Mike Casey - Posted - 11/20/2009: 12:41:44
And if "those nice men from the government" continue to put the nation at risk with their illegal treaties and agreements (Unconstitutional) we'll all be playing cardboard guitars sooner than later.
Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/20/2009: 12:58:53
This does not need to become a political thread.
grich - Posted - 11/20/2009: 14:21:52
This kind of stuff is going to kill my California Condor Banjo Bone Nuts I was planning on releasing next month !
Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/20/2009: 14:27:04
Mike wrote: "And if "those nice men from the government" continue to put the nation at risk with their illegal treaties and agreements (Unconstitutional) we'll all be playing cardboard guitars sooner than later."
Did they zoom into the Gibson factory riding a a black helicopter? Just thought I'd ask.
Edited by - Don Borchelt on 11/20/2009 14:27:29
5stringypsy - Posted - 11/20/2009: 14:54:12
You mean the "limited number west coast valley turkey" bone nutz.. heh.. >=)
quote:
Originally posted by grich
This kind of stuff is going to kill my California Condor Banjo Bone Nuts I was planning on releasing next month !
mike gregory - Posted - 11/25/2009: 06:20:18
Oh, the relief.
Now I can Unsubscribe from this topic, and go back to cobbling together banjos out of whatever, without worrying that the Gummint Agents, having failed to imprison the ROUND banjo people, are next going to start in on we few, we proud, we SQUARE ones.
Y'allTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97EfvhFgRBY
mike_cabinet - Posted - 11/25/2009: 06:28:19
I purchased a large amount of Brazilian rosewood in 1990 for a job I did and I have a chunk left over. The piece I have left over is 1 1/4 X 7 1/4 X 86". I've saved it for many years hoping to make a special project with it but I no longer have the receipt or any proof that it was purchased legally.
Should I burn it or maybe offer it to Gibson.
kyblugrass - Posted - 11/25/2009: 22:09:49
Coming from the world of importing and exporting, finally something I can put more than 2 cents in about...lol
Ok, the The Lacey Act went into high gear this year. It's going in steps and will finish sometime next year. At each step, more restrictions become into effect. If companies don't stay on top of these changes, it will be easy to get caught on the wrong side of the fence. The chances of Madagascar wood coming into the states is slim to none, if it came through a port. If it came through other means, then anything is possible, but then it would be difficult to prove. Most likely a fine will be imposed and life goes on. This happens ALL THE TIME. Most of the time, it does not make the news unless its a big company like Gibson and the big fines come into play for export violations. I could go on and on, I know it's a boring subject, but to me it's fascinating.
Banjoitus - Posted - 11/26/2009: 13:32:16
I sure hope it doesn't affect the noble Hondo banjo. What if they were all confiscated by the govament, then what, eh, then what?
Couchie - Posted - 11/26/2009: 13:51:12
Couchie - Posted - 11/27/2009: 06:44:20
I can sleep well tonight knowing that the FBI is going to bust the Gibson evil empire....
RB-1 - Posted - 11/27/2009: 16:19:29
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Johnson
What.....is the airspeed of an African swallow?
Depends... But on board of a modern airliner they easily do a 550 kts.
Edited by - RB-1 on 11/27/2009 16:20:09
bearface - Posted - 11/27/2009: 17:14:41
that was funny !!!!!!!!
stanger - Posted - 11/27/2009: 17:58:06
The real problem lies in Madagascar, not here. The new dictator there is trying to swell his treasury with the sale Madagascar's most valuable commodities in defiance of the SITES treaties.
The rosewood, ebony, and other woods are the most valuable stuff Madagascar has, but the trade in them is severely limited due to the treaties.
So the wood is being sold on the black market, by gangsters. There are no controls at all in the black market. All the U.S. can do is enforce the laws on this end of the line. By doing so, the agency is discouraging all the guitar makers who would buy the wood, illegally or not, because it's use in a guitar substantially improves the price they can ask for the guitars made from it.
With no end use, the gangsters are, hopefully, stymied, and the forests won't be stripped out as they were in Brazil before the treaties were created. If narcotics could be produced in Madagascar, the gangsters would all be dope dealers instead, or non-treaty diamond dealers, but neither is possible there, so there is more profit for them in illegal wood than dope or blood diamonds.
regards,
stanger
ZEPP - Posted - 11/27/2009: 20:09:07
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Johnson
What.....is the airspeed of an African swallow?
Laden or unladen? Cheers, ZEPP
Kevin B - Posted - 11/28/2009: 12:45:35
It's sad when our US Customs will go after people for importing a safe, usable product and let the Chineese bring that toxic chinese drywall onto our shores causing hard working people and home owners all kinds of grief and heartache. There are some serious problems with our enforcement picture. That drywall thing is going to play out in the courts for years.
stanger - Posted - 11/28/2009: 18:04:13
Hi, Kevin...
Very true remarks about the drywall problems.
But it's a case of apples and oranges- the illegal trade in threatened wood species is much different from the importation of bad drywall. The last I heard, gypsum isn't a threatened mineral... and since it's so common, probably won't ever be.
And I think Chinese drywall sure is causing grief and hardship much more seriously than the illegal use of threatened woods.
regards,
stanger
don wiseman - Posted - 11/30/2009: 18:30:56
As Kevin said, the problem with the harvesting of the wood is in Madagasgar.
The problem with the law is in the US. The Lacey Act has criminal penalties for violations of foreign laws if the wood comes into this country.
I practice law in this area, and I can tell you it is not easy. Just ask whoever the newest general counsel for Henry J might be.
Brian T - Posted - 11/30/2009: 21:08:22
The news is just in: a shipment of chinese lead was stopped at US Customs because it was contaminated with kitchen cutlery and childrens' toys.
BTW, Where do you think the Emerald Ash Borer came from? The Moon? It arrived in the shipments of Chinese-made, artificial Christmas trees some few years ago. If you went to the trouble to support local tree growers OR go out in the woods with your family and find your own, what can I say. You shot yourselves in BOTH feet. Page: 1 2
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