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dbaty - Posted - 11/14/2009: 10:14:30
Is it me or has country music not ountry anymore? I'm sitting here watching CMT'S Top 20 Countdown and I just don't get it anymore. Maybe old age is settting in. Too me Taylor Swift isn't country.
Like a Dog, a Banjo just wants to be played with and cared for.
madkelt2004 - Posted - 11/14/2009: 12:17:39
Yep. I reckon the reason Waylon Jennings dropped dead was because he saw the direction Country Music was heading.
In the words of his kid, Shooter, "Let's put the 'O' back into Country"!
The story behind those lyrics dates back about 25 years or so, when the "Urban Cowboy" fade really started the cross-over of Pop and Country Musics.
Kevin B - Posted - 11/14/2009: 12:27:40
I don't miss it as I haven't bought anything from an artist newer than Randy Travis. I just put old Hank in and listen to him when I need a dose of authenticity.
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1four5 - Posted - 11/14/2009: 13:29:35
We play old country, so I don't miss it. There's nothing like it, and they don't write em like that anymore. About 90% of our set lists are pre 1960.
With that said though, I don't mind the new stuff either. I think it's refreshing to see clean cut performers actually singing again, pants pulled all the way up, smiling and having fun. I liked 70's rock then, and I like it now and if it pulls us out of the grunge/rap/ era...I'm all for it.
Dean
Edited by - 1four5 on 11/14/2009 13:31:05
Klondike Waldo - Posted - 11/14/2009: 14:29:20
Don't miss it, but never shot at it anyway.
I'll never play like Earl Scruggs or sing like Luciano Pavarotti, but I'll pick better than Luciano and sing tenor better than Earl
deligo ergo renideo,
Bob Cameron
steve davis - Posted - 11/14/2009: 14:51:54
My dad played pedal steel and mom played piano to many of the great country songs of the 50s and 60s.
I learned how to play the banjo to these songs.
I've never heard better than Webb Pierce.
Edited by - steve davis on 11/14/2009 15:08:15
5stringpicker2 - Posted - 11/14/2009: 17:16:54
Country stopped being country in the late seventies to me. Country for me is, Johnny Cash, Ray Price, Web Pierce, Cal Smith, Tex Ritter, Buck Owens, George Jones, Loretta Lynn, Patty Page, Hank Snow, Hank Locklin, Kitty Wells, Marty Robbins, Merl Haggard, Little Jimmy Dickins I could go on forever. I don't listen to the crap they're playing on the radio these days.
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Bayou Talker - Posted - 11/14/2009: 18:18:53
quote:
Originally posted by 5stringpicker2
Country stopped being country in the late seventies to me. Country for me is, Johnny Cash, Ray Price, Web Pierce, Cal Smith, Tex Ritter, Buck Owens, George Jones, Loretta Lynn, Patty Page, Hank Snow, Hank Locklin, Kitty Wells, Marty Robbins, Merl Haggard, Little Jimmy Dickins I could go on forever. I don't listen to the crap they're playing on the radio these days.
What he said..... Cliff Hebert Bridgeport, AL
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/14/2009: 18:36:15
I mostly stopped listening to country when Ray Price recorded "For The Good Times" and Charlie Rich stepped on board.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
steve davis - Posted - 11/14/2009: 18:38:40
I never listen to modern country on the radio.
Tommy5 - Posted - 11/14/2009: 23:18:54
The song "Arlington" by Trace Adkins is pretty cool,last country tune i care to listen to it's on my i-pod.
AD3AD3AD3 - Posted - 11/15/2009: 05:20:14
It's difficult to find real "Country" anymore. That overproduced music coming out of Nashville typically leaves me cold. The pickers are great but the end product is all flash and calculation.
AD3
oldplayer - Posted - 11/15/2009: 06:18:56
Mass popularity helped to define what they call country music today. I'll bet there are country musicians coming up
that could carry on the tradition of country music as it once was, but if they don't get on board the Nashville Train,
they are doomed to failure. It is what it is, unfortunately. There is probably no turning back, but I sure miss the
real deal. like Frank Zappa said about jazz, country music isn't dead, it just smells funny.
dingo - Posted - 11/15/2009: 06:37:59
We don't really listen to country, we got on the American music, and never looked back.
Jill
What Happens in the Corn Field, Stays in the Corn Field.
Kentucky5 - Posted - 11/15/2009: 06:40:56
The only true country music being made today is BLUEGRASS. I think the song
"Dime Store Rings" off of the new Lonesome River Band album is more country than anything on the radio, and I bet if the big station's were to give it some air time it would be a huge hit.
"You can see the fields of bluegrass where I roam"
minstrelmike - Posted - 11/15/2009: 07:59:57
It's called change.
I think people said the same thing about Bill Monroe and Earl Scruggs "messing up the music I grew up listening to." Their grandfather's said it about Minstrel Music when it started adding Irish tunes in the 1870s.
Shoot, there are probably rappers who say the same thing about Rap today.
Same old same old.
Mike Moxcey
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Nosferatu - Posted - 11/15/2009: 08:11:30
Yep, we need change. But change isn't always good. There's change for the better and change for the worse. The change in C&W music had taken it so far away from C&W that it is no longer C&W, it has evolved into a hybrid that needs it's own phylum.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/15/2009 08:13:33
1four5 - Posted - 11/15/2009: 09:07:30
Red Dirt?
Dean
Lumpy - Posted - 11/15/2009: 09:32:18
I don't because I play old country and bluegrass when I'm painting in my art room. I watched a little bit of the CMA show and the only performer I enjoyed was our home town boy, George Strait. The rest looked like big Hollywood productions with simple storylines in the songs. Todays so-called country reminds me of watching the donut machine at Krispy Kream. They are all alike.
Lumpy
Gold Tone OB-250G
"So much music, such little time."
edweber - Posted - 11/15/2009: 09:49:03
Ditto to Count Hugh's and Mike's comment. And 5stringpicker2. Change is not always good and it's not always bad, it just IS.
I cut my teeth on country music when Western was still a part of it. It was wonderful music that had a distinct style and flavor all its own. I don't see or hear anything wrong with it - being a true country western music afficionado does not make me a hick or country bumpkin and frankly if it does in some folks' minds, so what?!
The last great record producer IMO was Chet Atkins. After Chet, control of the record companies was incrementally taken over by lawyers and accountants who only look at the bottom line - marketability and record sales. Nothing wrong with that; it's good business but it excludes those artists who don't look the part and perhaps don't sing well, yet have that certain spark of personality that touches the hearts of audiences everywhere. Coming up from the ranks as an artist Chet understood the value of performers such as Ernest Tubb who sang off key and Kitty Wells who sang with a nasal twang. Or those who weren't stunningly beautiful. You'll never see the likes of them again because the likes of them will never again be given the opportunity to "make it".
In today's country music world granted, it's important to be able to sing, but too much value is placed on having a perfect face, a perfectly toned body slim and svelt, the perfect hair-do, plenty of midriff and belly button showing on the females, muscular build on the male performers, beard just so, tight pants, dance routines, etc.
Today's Country music is patterned after the Rock & Roll scene presumably because Country music is considered passe and "not with it". I think people are led to be embarrassed with real Country music. Too bad. I quit listening to this new country music a long time ago and I never regretted my decision.
Ed
Regular Guy says, "Nuffs enuff"
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bluegrassboy - Posted - 11/15/2009: 10:16:45
right on ed!! ive said for years if shania twain had been 4 feet tall and 4 feet wide and covered in zits, but with the same voice, you never would have heard of her! go back to the 70s and listen to some of skynyrds stuff, 4 walls of raiford, curtis lowe, mr banker, etc ronnie van zant could put kenny chesney away in a heartbeat!!
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/15/2009: 10:20:28
Ed, there's not a thing you just wrote that I can't disagree with.
My mother passed away next month last year and she left me all her Hank on 78s. When I play the old "I'm so Lonesome I Could Cry," with all the pops and clicks, I know that's the real thing. But most of all, it brings back my mothers love, she played the very same record and heard those same clicks and pops...That feeling is as much country as the song. Todays stuff will never make memories like that.
The silence of a falling star
Lights up a purple sky
And as I wonder where you are
I'm so lonesome I could cry
Nothing to this day has beat that.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/15/2009 11:45:37
steve davis - Posted - 11/15/2009: 11:34:53
I don't hear that good old "break" in the voice that the best ones had.
Not that overly-done ornamentation of Reba...just the occasional,well
placed broken note.The voice was everything in those days...the instruments
were more foundational,imo.
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/15/2009: 11:51:03
Don't forget, "He Stoped Loving Her Today."
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/15/2009: 12:05:58
I didn't miss any last night we had a wonderful evening's entertainment at the Redditch Westerners in Stoke Prior with a fabulous band called LONGSHOT providing some great Country music
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
Bassora - Posted - 11/15/2009: 16:33:52
Country music was no longer country music when ...
-- they added an orchestra with Ray Price
-- they added electric guitar with about everyone in the 1950s
To me country music is what can be recorded on a single track without "whammy" bars and distortion amps. Country music is almost all acoustic. Country music features voices that aren't always smooth or trained but are frequently nasally or twangy or "textured".
Real country music has performers who were more mature as well as some kids. Now according to the awards and "country music" radio it's almost all kids with an occasional more mature honoree.
I remember back in 1998 when Johnny Cash won the Grammy for best country album (Unchained) which was getting NO air play. After winning this award a full-page ad was in Billboard with the caption "American Recordings and Johnny Cash would like to acknowledge the Nashville music establishment and country radio for your support" and Mr. Cash giving, well, the finger. Other older musicians spoke up including Willie Nelson and George Jones about difficulties in people like them getting airplay. I think it was George Jones who said, "radio gives us one of the biggest insults there is when they don't play our music."
Personally, I quit listening to any so-called country music station the moment Shania Twain opened her mouth and showed off her fishneck stockings in a definitely not a country song in a definitely not a country music video.
Bassora Mo
from near the Big Mo
Edited by - Bassora on 11/15/2009 16:36:26
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/15/2009: 17:03:53
I don't think the electric guitar took away from country, how it was used is what did it. That orchestra with Ray Price drove a nail in it...When that happened, it just may as well have been Andy Willams
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/15/2009 17:08:41
edweber - Posted - 11/15/2009: 21:41:24
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
My mother passed away next month last year and she left me all her Hank on 78s. When I play the old "I'm so Lonesome I Could Cry," with all the pops and clicks, I know that's the real thing. But most of all, it brings back my mothers love, she played the very same record and heard those same clicks and pops...That feeling is as much country as the song. Todays stuff will never make memories like that.
You hit the nail on the head. There is an honesty to real, authentic Country music. It MADE memories - long lasting memories that had the ability to call up in 20/20 clarity a mother's love from our childhood or romancing the next door girl or boy of our dreams during those fragile teen years. Love won and love lost... Everytime I hear those simple melodies sung from the heart it's like sipping a dipper-full of cool well water on a hot, sultry summer night. Ed Regular Guy says, "Nuffs enuff" www.customscrimshaw.comEmail: edweber@customscrimshaw.com
edweber - Posted - 11/15/2009: 21:50:24
By the way, just as an aside to the topic, and I don't know if this is common knowledge, but it was Marty Robbins who was credited with the invention of the "Fuzz-Wah" sound. Seems while recording one day, the studio guitarist's amp blew a vacuum tube and it distorted the sound. Marty liked it so much he decided to leave it in the finished version. Does anyone know of this story or remember the name of that song? It became a big hit. Anyway, I believe it was an intregal part of the change that took place in Country music.
Ed
Regular Guy says, "Nuffs enuff"
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Email: edweber@customscrimshaw.com
oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 11/15/2009: 21:51:57
As I see it, it was them church harmony singing families, like the Carters who ruint country. I like real country music, but them guys just turned it into radio pop.
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Lumpy - Posted - 11/15/2009: 22:58:12
Ed Weber: That Marty Robbins song was "Don't Worry 'Bout Me" and a tube failed in the guitar amp. Marty loved the sound and decided to keep it in the recording. They started making tubes that made the sound on purpose after that. Great story.
Bassora: Love your avitar. What's it from?
Lumpy
Gold Tone OB-250G
"So much music, such little time."
dustinTN - Posted - 11/15/2009: 23:39:12
There is still great country music being made, IMO, but you shouldn't expect to find it on the radio or CMT. I think Hayes Carll, Todd Snider, Old Crow Medicine Show, Gillian Welch, the Avett Brothers, and Danny Barnes (to name a few) keep the spirit of old country but take things in new directions both lyrically and sonically in some cases. All of these bands are influenced by other genres - rock, jazz, R&B, hip-hop, etc., but country is the strongest influence. The world is so dramatically different than it was in the early to mid part of the twentieth century when country came into its own. New music is bound to reflect that, and I think that's a good thing. There will always be watered down, lowest common denominator music on mass audience venues like terrestrial radio and television. That's why I never go to those places expecting anything interesting.
Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn [or your banjo]. ~Charlie Parker
Edited by - dustinTN on 11/15/2009 23:40:11
slabounty - Posted - 11/16/2009: 09:40:07
OK, I've been over this before (and I'll probably have to go over it again). Country music is *not* dead. There are still people out there practicing true country music in the 40's-60's style. Please check out Dale Watson, Wayne Hancock, or Justin Trevino before we start with the eulogy. If you like female vocalists, try Marti Brom. I know that radio doesn't play it anymore, but that doesn't meant that it's not available.
Scott LaBounty
Orange, CA
minstrelmike - Posted - 11/16/2009: 18:48:24
The music is not what made the memories; it was the age of the listener and what was happening in life.
That's why every generation has the same lovely and endearing memories of different musics.
Mike Moxcey
http://moxcey.net/mike/minstrel/index.html
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/16/2009: 18:56:44
There's good, new country music out there, you just won't find it on commercial stations.
Lee Callicutt
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/16/2009: 18:57:54
Make that both types of music: Country and Western.
Lee Callicutt
banjokid1 - Posted - 11/16/2009: 19:45:30
Every chance I get.
Banjoitus - Posted - 11/16/2009: 19:56:59
And who's sittin' there playin' Dobro pretty as you please? Jerry Douglas the MAN on Dobro. There's a lot of good country & western being done today, and to tell you the truth, some of them boys are better than they need to be, but that don't hurt nothing in my opinion, yours may vary.
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/16/2009: 20:02:55
Yeah, Jerry's the ultimate sideman, IMHO. He highlights any performer.
Lee Callicutt
pick1936 - Posted - 11/16/2009: 20:05:57
I have been Missing Country for about 38 years, It'll never come back, I would rather Listen to 50 Rock..
and (Don't Worry Bout Me), The great Guitarist (GRADY MARTIN) was pickin lead on a Danelectro 6 string Bass, and a transister blew out on the sound board, He was playing right into the board, and didn't know it was fuzzy untill play back, Marty Liked it, so it stayed, also On Marty's song (Elpaso) Most think He played a Nylon string guitar, but not so, He said in an interview, He came into the studeo, not knowing just what to play, He saw Jennie Seally's Steel string 1946 American made Epiphone Flat--Top, He played it for a few min., and said lets record it (Elpaso)
Rings Like Silver.
But It's Wood.
Nechville. In Higginsville.
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Edited by - pick1936 on 11/16/2009 20:41:56
Solo - Posted - 11/16/2009: 20:25:23
quote:
Originally posted by Sultans of Claw
Here's a good old new one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikZwgj89HI[/img]
Lee Callicutt
Beautiful song. America has so many unique roots, and talented musicians and singers to express them. I don't fear the music dying. I think that the core of this thread is about the irony of the Nashville establishment. They have become nothing more than a money-grubbing joke, unfortunately supported by a maleable music purchasing establishment. One great aspect of the internet is the ability to delve as deeply into styles of music which interest you. Another aspect is that performers are now cutting out the middle-man. They can produce, market and sell music from home (office). The Nashville establishment / Billboard machine is becoming less relevant. Youtube is becoming more relevant.
Bassora - Posted - 11/17/2009: 13:39:02
Here's a visual of how I describe real country music.
This is a video I shot. It was after MIDNIGHT and we decided to jam a little. The three of us hadn't played together in over three years so it was a bit of an adventure, but it came out pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhKbr-kjp-w
No over dubbing. Straight forward. Acoustic. The sound you could hear in someone's living room or back porch before there was radio or TV or records or DVDs. This was country music in its original form -- this original form of country music that is now called traditional music. But, to me, this will always be real country music.
Bassora Mo
from near the Big Mo
thkidd - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:19:32
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
Ed, there's not a thing you just wrote that I can't disagree with.
Hugh, I think I know what you meant, and it is still correct as written, but I don't think it conveys the message you intended.
thkidd - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:23:41
quote:
Originally posted by oldwoodchuckb
As I see it, it was them church harmony singing families, like the Carters who ruint country. I like real country music, but them guys just turned it into radio pop.
Are you talking about the Carter Family (as in, A.P., Sara and Maybelle)? I'm not a great fan of their music, but if they ruint country music, then what country music was there before they came along?
thkidd - Posted - 11/18/2009: 12:44:22
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
I don't think the electric guitar took away from country, how it was used is what did it. That orchestra with Ray Price drove a nail in it...When that happened, it just may as well have been Andy Willams
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
I agree with Hugh. The electric guitar didn't ruin country music. At one time, the instruments were truly the accompaniment; the singers' voices were the main thing you heard. The instruments complimented the vocals, they didn't drown them out. Buck Owens wouldn't have been the same without Don Rich's Telecaster. IMHO, the music video is what ruined country music. Before videos, Country singers could be just as fat and unattractive as the rest of us. Thanks to CMT, it is more important for singers to be physically attractive and moderately talented, than the the other way around.
Gary Blanchard - Posted - 11/18/2009: 13:09:59
Everything changes and nothing is what it used to be. Frankly, I don't know that I'd want to live in a world where things didn't change. Now, more than ever, we have the ability to hear both the current music and past music. Listen to what suits your ear and be glad that others can do the same, even if it doesn't suit your taste. Page: 1 2
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