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BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 13:29:28
There are a number of members of the forum that routinely violate the rules against religious debate and have been doing so over and over again for a very long time apparently without any meaningful discipline on the part of the moderators.
What gives? Will it get to the point here that we can't talk about sciences because some tiny group thinks that the science being discussed goes against their religion?
In the thread on Evolution I repeatedly read that "Evolution is against religion" but that's demonstrably incorrect. Many mainstream religions have no problems with it whatsoever. My point in bringing this up is to counter the criticism that discussing evolution is arguing against religion when it most definitely is not.
If all that is done is to lock the threads after these few people have repeatedly broken the very clear rules against religious debate then anytime someone comes up with a faith that says such and such a science is against such and such a religion we'll see the discussion shut down.
If we talk about modern medicine will we be setting ourselves up for lockdowns if there are some on the forum that believe they go against their religion and are willing to violate the rules to close down the discussion?
Will we risk shutdown talking about eating clams because there are some that say eating them is an abomination?
Talk about political correctness gone crazy!
I think that moderators ought to use their ability to delete individual offenses and leave otherwise rule-abiding discussions to proceed. That and warn the offenders not to persist...and if they do, then lock them out!
Don't reward them by locking down the discussion they seek to disrupt.
"Defender of the Sacred Cod"
Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/13/2009 13:48:20
Bill Rogers - Posted - 11/13/2009: 13:34:07
I agree. Religion became part of that discussion only because some chose to drag it in.
Bill
edavidt - Posted - 11/13/2009: 13:39:47
I concur. There are two or three who continually bring in religion over and over again in every thread they are involved in. The conversations don't need to be shut down. The individuals do.
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 13:41:08
quote:
Originally posted by revellfa
As a clergy person I must say that I agree. I love the hangout and I want to continue to enjoy it. I also realize that as we (the hangout) grow, we will have these types of issues but I also believe that we can work through them if we follow the golden rule.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/p...77232?ref=ts
http://www.flatpickerhangout.com/my/revellfa
Coming from a person of the cloth this means a lot to me. I've long believed that science and religion are both far better off in separation. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/13/2009 14:20:53
dpete210 - Posted - 11/13/2009: 14:07:04
quote:
I've long believed that science ought to stay out of religion and religion ought to stay out of science.
The problem with that viewpoint is that the two really can't be separated, especially when science verifies or supports a particular religious view.  They compliment each other more that some will admit. I agree that a legitimate thread should not be allowed to be locked because of comments made by an offender, whose purpose may be to get the thread locked or to use it as a soapbox for their views. Any day playing music is a GOOD day. 
ambpicker - Posted - 11/13/2009: 14:18:22
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
There are a number of members of the forum that routinely violate the rules against religious debate and have been doing so over and over again for a very long time apparently without any meaningful discipline on the part of the moderators.
Then: ["Coming from a person of the cloth this means a lot to me. I've long believed that science ought to stay out of religion and religion ought to stay out of science. They are both far better off in separation. " Come on now. Leslie
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 14:19:23
The other problem with that viewpoint is that by expressing it I'm engaging in religious debate 
So I've self edited
"Defender of the Sacred Cod"
Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/13/2009 14:21:18
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 14:22:29
quote:
Originally posted by ambpicker
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
There are a number of members of the forum that routinely violate the rules against religious debate and have been doing so over and over again for a very long time apparently without any meaningful discipline on the part of the moderators.
Then:
["Coming from a person of the cloth this means a lot to me. I've long believed that science ought to stay out of religion and religion ought to stay out of science. They are both far better off in separation. "
Come on now.
Leslie
I see someone else picked up on it - apologies "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
ambpicker - Posted - 11/13/2009: 14:24:19
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
It's so easy, it just comes natural.
This is coming from a world class expert.
I actually wish I could apply this talent to banjo playing.
Leslie
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/13/2009: 14:29:13
Both original posts asked for information and there was nothing wrong with that.
Both quickly became something else and there was something wrong with that.
I like to think and sincerely hope that someone could take the time to see that the subject of evolution could upset some people.
It is easy to see that they couldn't understand why it's ok for all other theories on where we come from are allowed but the one that they have the most serious of faith in is banned.
How would you feel if it were the other way around?
Yeah the HO rules back you up this time but the Golden Rule" does not.
I prefer:
"Post unto others as you would have them post unto you"
Sounds like a good sig to me.
Jbanjoist
I'm a NECHVILLIAN!
EDUMACATE YOSEF!
You don't know until you KNOW.
Edited by - jbanjoist on 11/13/2009 14:47:40
darryl k. - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:04:12
Everything that we can know is relevant to everything else we can know. I don't have seperate parts of my brain, or discrete systems of logic that apply to religion, science, language, or playing the banjo for that matter. If distinct areas of our knowledge are inconsistent with each other, then there is a problem somewhere, and makes no sense to arbitrarily decide which area contains the error.
However, I can see the usefulness on the BHO of making some topics taboo.
IMHO
darryl
The road less travelled....5 strings, a stick, a hoop, and a piece of hyde.
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BvilleDon - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:11:49
I say let them have a Gospel Music forum and discuss it there all they want. This will afford them the opportunity to discuss a body of songs that is relevant to banjo picking and do so in terms of how the songs or music affects them. Then if it is mentioned anywhere else, including paragraph long signiture lines about what I need to do to be "justified", I say lock them out. I say if we do give them the right to speak their mind in a Gospel forum, those going there just to pick fights with them should be locked out. I am perfectly happy with my own beliefs. I am perfectly happy to let others have their own. They should have ONE FORUM for expressing this in terms that relates to many banjo songs. I will avoid it like the plague!
Don
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:18:52
quote:
Originally posted by jbanjoist
"Post unto others as you would have them post unto you"
Sounds like a good sig to me.
Then practice what you preach. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
Docmhc - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:20:59
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
Don
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:21:21
They, Them.
That doesn't solve anything but further separates people that could take the time to work through differences and earn respect.
Do we start having "other places" for all those that don't agree with each other?
There aint enough room on the internet!
Jbanjoist
I'm a NECHVILLIAN!
EDUMACATE YOSEF!
You don't know until you KNOW.
Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:23:16
I don't think I said a thing that could be taken as offensive.
i invite you to point it out if I did.
As far as practicing what I preach I'm tryin.
Care to join me?
Jbanjoist
I'm a NECHVILLIAN!
EDUMACATE YOSEF!
You don't know until you KNOW.
Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
Edited by - jbanjoist on 11/13/2009 15:26:01
ambpicker - Posted - 11/13/2009: 15:26:14
I'm not a particularly religious person myself, but I practically grew up in church. And I kind of agree with what Einstein was prev quoted.
One thing I remember about church was learning, when you are pointing a finger at other people, 3 other fingers are pointing back at you.
Leslie
bosborne - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:07:06
quote:
Originally posted by jbanjoist
I like to think and sincerely hope that someone could take the time to see that the subject of evolution could upset some people.
It is easy to see that they couldn't understand why it's ok for all other theories on where we come from are allowed but the one that they have the most serious of faith in is banned.
Jbanjoist, I hear you, and now you should take that notion, of trying to understand other people's positions, and fully extend it to all positions. There are people who are upset by evolution, and there are certainly people here upset by religion. And then there's the majority, the rest of us, who are moderately or completely tolerant. If you are suggesting that evolution should not be discussed then it follows that religion should not be discussed. No "Pray for ..." posts, no religious sigs, and of course on the other side, no evolution, etc. No language that can offend anyone should be posted. Or, you can suggest we behave like the majority behaves. I am not religious, but I do not post things suggesting "this is wrong" to a "Pray for ..." thread, I simply let them be. The problem here is not "religion" or "science" per se, it's that there is a distinct minority who can not let others engage in their discussions, they are intolerant.
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:17:27
BanjoHangout - catchy title - why don't we just talk about banjos?
I think Eric just provides these other forums as a courtesy.
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:22:04
No I am not suggesting that at all.
Just asking for us all to consider how that could make others feel especially since their faith can't be discussed.
I say discuss what you like as long as the discussion stays polite and respectful.The street runs both ways and we should try to walk down it with out bumping into each other as much as possible.
I also think that minority you speak of as being intolerant feels that way here partly because their discussions are banned, just like the ones that are discussing evolution would feel that way if the discussion of evolution were banned.
I also think that there is a distinct minority that are intolerant of religious discussion and it shows. And since it is banned they love to hide behind the rules banning it but you know that group loves the fact it's banned.
Heck, I think if a person is confident enough in who they are and what they believe they should be able to easily tolerate both subjects.
Unfortunately here people don't HAVE to tolerate religious topics since they are banned. But the religious person has to tolerate all other theories, ideas, etc. on the subject of how man came to be.
Somehow it just doesn't seem fair that the religious person has to tolerate so much while the non-religious person doesn't have to tolerate religious discussion because of something as simple as a website rule.
Not advocating for a change in rules. Just making an observation.
Jbanjoist
I'm a NECHVILLIAN!
EDUMACATE YOSEF!
You don't know until you KNOW.
Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
Edited by - jbanjoist on 11/13/2009 16:37:32
beegee - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:27:52
If you ban all religious discussions, where will the pre-war Gibson worshippers go?
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BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:28:36
quote:
Originally posted by Laurence Diehl
BanjoHangout - catchy title - why don't we just talk about banjos?
I think Eric just provides these other forums as a courtesy.
..but he does provide them and, judging by their popularity, they do their fair share of drawing in and keeping new members. If you got rid of them and restricted posts to discussions of banjos I don't think there'd be anywhere near the amount of regular posters here - and having more regular posters translates to having more hits...and having more hits translates to more advertising revenue for Eric and the site and more advertising revenue keeps the forum running so that those that only come here to discuss banjos can come here and discuss banjos. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
BanjoPicker96 - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:28:47
quote:
Originally posted by Laurence Diehl
BanjoHangout - catchy title - why don't we just talk about banjos?
I think Eric just provides these other forums as a courtesy.
My thoughts exactly. Less posting, more picking! "There once was a picker named Bruno who said "If there's one thing I do know, guitars are fine, and mandolins devine, but banjos are numero uno" Forever Bluegrass.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 11/13/2009: 16:48:28
It would certainly make the mods jobs easier of Eric would just delete the entire off topic forum because no matter what we do or how we handle any situation, we can't please everyone. We're either too harsh or not harsh enough, lock too many topics or don't lock enough, don't do a good enough job or are sitting around ignoring topics that need to be locked or unlocked or..... well, you get my drift. I'd vote for no off topic forums, no religious or political discussions at all. Probably won't ever happen.
And as far as banning chronic rule violators, several people have been locked out lately and it hasn't stopped all the problems, but we're still trying to keep everything friendly and unconfrontational.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
Edited by - Texasbanjo on 11/13/2009 16:52:03
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:05:47
quote:
Originally posted by jbanjoist
No I am not suggesting that at all.
Just asking for us all to consider how that could make others feel especially since their faith can't be discussed.
I say discuss what you like as long as the discussion stays polite and respectful.
We actually agree on something. Over the years since I came here I too have come to think that religion and even politics should be allowed here as topics and that the mods step in to get rid of personal attacks when needed. But these topics are not allowed here You say we should consider the frustration of those that think evolution is contrary to their faith and feel they can't offer an argument because of the rules against it ......well - first of all, the rules against it don't seem to be stopping them too much, do they? But what about the frustration of those on my side? We've been having a blast participating in a thread on a topic that there are no rules against yet at any moment the thread might be locked by because of people that refuse to abide by the rules that come in and attack our beliefs and opinions. I'm sorry - but talk to me about being more considerate when you see me coming into a prayer request thread telling people that there is no God. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
KE - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:12:06
. . . or me coming into a hunting thread to announce it is against my belief that life is sacred.
. . . or a thread on beer pointing out that muslims don't drink.
. . . or a thread on bbq because pork is an unclean animal according to certain religious texts.
. . . or gambling, music in church, dancing, ad infinitum
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:13:59
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
It would certainly make the mods jobs easier of Eric would just delete the entire off topic forum because no matter what we do or how we handle any situation, we can't please everyone. We're either too harsh or not harsh enough, lock too many topics or don't lock enough, don't do a good enough job or are sitting around ignoring topics that need to be locked or unlocked or..... well, you get my drift. I'd vote for no off topic forums, no religious or political discussions at all. Probably won't ever happen.
And as far as banning chronic rule violators, several people have been locked out lately and it hasn't stopped all the problems, but we're still trying to keep everything friendly and unconfrontational.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
Sherry - while I disagree about closing the Off Topic Forum I didn't mean to come off as critical of the moderators here. As you know I've been in your shoes and I know it's a tough job. I'm also aware of the tightrope walk you guys have to perform. So, if I came off as critical of you guys I apologize. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:27:50
I'm just glad I don't have to moderate this stuff anymore...But, I still like to say my piece.
BHO is just too much now a days. It's like some of the memberships only joy is to see how far they can push it and how far they can over step over the line. Once they do over step and a Mod does their job they get all peeved and b**** and moan and bash the Mods for doing their job when THEY are the cause. How about a little respect for those that make BHO what it is. (I can rag on them because I once was a Mod. )
You all read the rules (Or you should have.) and you know the score. By knowing the rules and you still post in a prohibited manner you are Flaming and Trolling and I think you should be shown to the door. If you don't like it here, don't spoil it for the others that do... So, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/13/2009 17:51:23
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:41:26
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
So, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
The evolution of the human buttocks is a fascinating topic, Hugh. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/13/2009 17:41:59
musicman93 - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:43:54
If you want people locked out, then IMHO you should PM a mod or Mr. Schlange with a link to the offensive posts and let them decide in their own personal forum what they want to do about it.
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
......well - first of all, the rules against it don't seem to be stopping them too much, do they?
I would just like to mention that the rules do stop a lot. Without rules certain people would be posting whole pages of their beliefs. quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
It would certainly make the mods jobs easier of Eric would just delete the entire off topic forum because no matter what we do or how we handle any situation, we can't please everyone. We're either too harsh or not harsh enough, lock too many topics or don't lock enough, don't do a good enough job or are sitting around ignoring topics that need to be locked or unlocked or..... well, you get my drift. I'd vote for no off topic forums, no religious or political discussions at all. Probably won't ever happen.
And as far as banning chronic rule violators, several people have been locked out lately and it hasn't stopped all the problems, but we're still trying to keep everything friendly and unconfrontational.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
Also I would like to thank the mods and Mr. Schlange for putting up with all of us. -John "Overwhelming force may crush truth to earth but, crushed or not the truth is still the truth." -John S. Tilly
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 18:16:37
"If you want people locked out, then IMHO you should PM a mod or Mr. Schlange with a link to the offensive posts and let them decide in their own personal forum what they want to do about it."-- John
That's the way it should be handled.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
BConk - Posted - 11/13/2009: 18:51:53
quote:
Originally posted by musicman93
If you want people locked out, then IMHO you should PM a mod or Mr. Schlange with a link to the offensive posts and let them decide in their own personal forum what they want to do about it.
I did email the mods. I asked them to go into the thread and remove the posts made in violation. I also told them I thought certain people should be locked out. But it was the thread that got locked out. Since I view the locking of the topic as a gift to those that broke the rules and a punishment of those that did not - should I have any reason to believe that the forum members I sought censure of will suffer any consequences for their disregard of the rules? Apparently not - it seems to me that with the current climate - the people that will suffer are those that try to have a decent and enjoyable conversation in a topic that is not prohibited by the letter of any rule here or even by any reasonable interpretation of any rule here. Yet I've been here for years and these same people have persistently violated the same rules. Personally I'm sick of it - and I know that others here are as well. I say either enforce the rules or change them because what we have now is bad for the site. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
KE - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:18:17
When you lock threads instead of rule violators, you show them that they have the power to run the forum. They get to decide what can be discussed instead of the rules setting the course. They get to decide which threads stay. They get to unilaterally censor whatever subject they wish. Trolls win.
But as BConk points out, it's a gift to those who broke the rules and a punishment to those enjoying a formally civil conversation within the rules.
I understand it is easier for a mod to just close a thread rather than edit out offendors. But they volunteered to do the heavy lifting. Being in a position of responsibility always requires effort. If they're unwilling or unable to do that, then we need more mods willing to do the job.
Closing a thread because it wears on your patience is not good enough reason. We've heard 'this thread has run it's course', 'this topic is going nowhere' and now 'enough is enough.' Those are not reasons for closing a thread and they're certainly not based on rules.
I'd like to be more complimentary, but some things need fixed. This place is worth standing up for. Enough is enough.
CosmicMaskedAvenger - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:21:32
can't we all just git get along?
Deering Sierra
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musicman93 - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:31:26
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
quote:
Originally posted by musicman93
If you want people locked out, then IMHO you should PM a mod or Mr. Schlange with a link to the offensive posts and let them decide in their own personal forum what they want to do about it.
I did email the mods. I asked them to go into the thread and remove the posts made in violation.
I also told them I thought certain people should be locked out.
But it was the thread that got locked out.
Since I view the locking of the topic as a gift to those that broke the rules and a punishment of those that did not - should I have any reason to believe that the forum members I sought censure of will suffer any consequences for their disregard of the rules?
Apparently not - it seems to me that with the current climate - the people that will suffer are those that try to have a decent and enjoyable conversation in a topic that is not prohibited by the letter of any rule here or even by any reasonable interpretation of any rule here.
Yet I've been here for years and these same people have persistently violated the same rules.
Personally I'm sick of it - and I know that others here are as well.
I say either enforce the rules or change them because what we have now is bad for the site.
"Defender of the Sacred Cod"
Capio pisces, ergo sum
If you PM-ed the mods, why start a debate here  If you're unhappy with their actions, talk to them again. Mr. KE, I'm sure that there is much deliberation about a thread before locking it. None of us can see the mods forum so we might not always know their reasoning. They volunteered for the job and if you're unhappy with how they're doing maybe you should volunteer too. Again I say, try PMs. -John "Overwhelming force may crush truth to earth but, crushed or not the truth is still the truth." -John S. Tilly
KE - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:39:31
Mr. musicman93 -- I've also PMed mods and Eric. I believe in transparency, and anything I say is something I'm willing for anyone to read.
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:47:03
The Mods try to do their best with what they have, it's not their fault.
musicman93: There seems to have been a change in the mission statement of BHO and it seem's to have dilute the authority of the Mods.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/13/2009 19:55:57
bosborne - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:47:17
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
[quote]
But what about the frustration of those on my side? We've been having a blast participating in a thread on a topic that there are no rules against yet at any moment the thread might be locked by because of people that refuse to abide by the rules that come in and attack our beliefs and opinions.
Right. The same situation seems to occur again and again. The issue is clearly is not the topic itself, it's the individuals. Here's a question: I am not religious, but would I ever post to a "Pray for ..." post with a disrespectful or inflammatory remark? Never. Under no circumstances. Here's an experiment for you: unlock the topic we were enjoying, but delete posts that are inflammatory (or ban the people who post these) , see what happens. I think we already know what would happen: nothing. One long, enjoyable thread.
Don Borchelt - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:51:39
KE wrote: "When you lock threads instead of rule violators, you show them that they have the power to run the forum. They get to decide what can be discussed instead of the rules setting the course... as BConk points out, it's a gift to those who broke the rules and a punishment to those enjoying a formally civil conversation within the rules."
Well said, and amen (so to speak). Except maybe it's not necessary to lock violators, just delete their posts. I don't know.
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KE - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:54:46
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
The Mods try to do their best, it's not their fault.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
You're right, of course. The mods are not to blame. The blame lies with those who continually ignore and violate the rules by posting religious debate and proselytization when it is clearly prohibited. We're just asking that something be done about it. If it's not feasible to enforce the rules, what's the point of posting them?
Poppy - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:58:02
OK so far I see posts that we're TO quick to lock topics, AND we're NOT fast enough. We should just edit posts, also NOT edit posts. This is almost funny.
Things need to change has been said, I agree, as for locking trouble makers..one person someone thinks is a trouble maker, might be just because they don't agree with someones opinion. Where do we draw the line. I will be upfront, and tell you IF we locked everyone who was called a trouble maker, this would be an empty place. Seems most want things their way, or no way, and that is BOTH sides of the fence. OK so lets say I go and edit a post or several, then delete a post or 2 from a thread, I can tell you my inbox fills up fast,BUT if a thread heads south and there's some posts that COULD be taken as an attack, or a comment about religion or politics, and I do mean COULD be taken if you want, guess what..yep my inbox is full.
I'd love to see the off topic forum just go away, it would make my job so much easier, BUT I enjoy some of the posts there, so that's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I remind everyone, religious posts are allowed as long as they are Non-argumentative and that is at a moderators or Eric's discretion.Religious debate is banned .
So again I'll say it..if you're not happy with the way we do the job, become a moderator, don't give me that same old"OH I can't because of this or that", quite complaining and help!
Now thats as simple as I can put.
"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg
Edited by - Poppy on 11/13/2009 20:06:11
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 19:59:31
They should be shown to the door...I remember someone told me, "Lock out all the bad apples, I don't care who they are."
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:04:52
I hear you Poppy, I think your hands are tied, but, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. You're here for BHO and for the people who follow the rules. All those emails and gripes come with the job.
I could tell you what I'd do but I'd be the first BHO Mod locked out. I'd be like the old Sheriff who came back to clean up the town but was scoffed because I was too hard.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/13/2009 20:08:51
Poppy - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:07:28
yeah I know, I have kinda gotten used to it, I was trying to point out no matter what we do half will be happy with it, half won't be.
"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:11:21
As long as you're right in your choise, there's nothing wrong with having 50% or 99.99% mad at you.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/13/2009 20:12:39
musicman93 - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:14:27
You're right Hugh, the mods don't have as much authority as they should. If they did, this thread shouldn't exist!
Poppy, I've never been in your situation, but I think I can see your point of view and would like to sincerely thank you and all the other mods.
This, of course, is my humble opinion and is not intended to offend anyone or start a religious or political debate.
-John
"Overwhelming force may crush truth to earth but,
crushed or not the truth is still the truth." -John S. Tilly
Edited by - musicman93 on 11/13/2009 20:15:24
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:26:13
John, when the BHO forum first opened, I guess you could have called it the "Wild West." The Mods pulled a lot of weight...I guess BHO has become "civilized," the need for Mods needing that kind of authority is no longer needed.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Poppy - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:31:24
Let me point out, we have a set of rules we have to try and enforce. I know everyone knows this, BUT not everyone interperts things the same way. I've seen folks saying, even a negative reply should be left as it helps the thread and this is a public forum, negative posts, and I mean attacking posts are against the rules, and this is a private forum, there are rules We have to try and understand that because this forum is international, someone from a non english speaking country could very easily make a post that some find sounds like and attack, or a post just looking to start trouble, might be nothing more than someone not having a grasp on the english language. Is a person just trying to start trouble, is it a mistake? Some might not agree BUT we do take locking, or deleting a thread very serious, and we NEVER do it just because we can.We have to make our decisions based on what we have discussed amoung ourselves, and go from that.
Go back and look over threads, and if you look hard enough, which some folks seem to do,you can read religion or politics into everything.
I have found most folks here are really nice, and level headed, and I have learned that most try really hard to get along with everyone, and to those I say Thank You! This is a great place, and IF I didn't care about it I wouldn't be a moderator. I have made some great friends from around the world, and enjoy learning from them. The reason I point this out is because I would hope that everyone can see what a special place this, and help to make it even better.
To be totally honest, I don't think about someones feelings, or toes I will step on if I decide a post breaks the rules, so don't take it personal. I am just doing what I think is right for the BHO, NOT anybodies feelings.
"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/13/2009: 20:47:10
What lead to this topic...I don't think there was any misunderstanding of the rules or the english language., I think it was sport and the tweeking of the Mods nose. But I do understand what you're saying Rusty...Been there, done that.
I think the Mods are not TRULY permitted to do what needs to be done and it's now showing up. It will only get worse. It's like every topic I look at there's something bent out of shape... It's a joke with a sad punch line. BHO use to be fun but that's being lost. I'm now and outsider but I was here at the start, maybe I was even the first Mod and I've seen everything... BHO has changed and not for the good. Something NEEDs to be changed.
BHO needs to trust it's Mods to do what is right and not to 2nd guess them, if not, why even have them?
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/13/2009 20:56:36
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