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plunka5 - Posted - 12/03/2009: 19:22:08
quote:
Originally posted by El Dobro
Sounds like a deal to me.
So Don, do you think that it is mainly the condition of the economy that made the bidding "weak" on the Hartford RB-18? How exactly should this banjo be named and remembered? The selling price of the RB-18 was within the "grasps" of many people...and was promoted advertised within a "country music" sale...was that another reason for the somewhat low selling price
El Dobro - Posted - 12/03/2009: 19:40:49
I'd bet that it would be listed for a fair amount more if it were at a place like Gruhn's or Elderly.
BanjoLink - Posted - 12/03/2009: 19:48:16
It must have been something else other than just the economy. Bill Monroe's de-faced F-5 peghead overlay went for $37,000 (or about that), which I thought was pretty strong. Of course, that was the type of item that would be very difficult to place a pre auction estimate on.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 12/03/2009: 20:22:16
I feel like I might be kicking myself on this one for not bidding and am surprised is went for so low, how ever the person who got it might have been willing to bid 100K you just dont know . still seems low even in a bad economy. You can bet it would be alot more if Gruhn or Elderly had it , And if I was the one who consigned it with Christies I would be upset it went for so low.
Edited by - Haskells RB3 on 12/04/2009 13:49:18
f5loar - Posted - 12/03/2009: 22:34:27
Was it not altered with holes drilled out bigger in the tone ring? Didn't they say it was possibly re-plated (that means it was).
That would kill collector value.
jason holgate - Posted - 12/04/2009: 06:53:01
25000 i think they coulda got more off the banjo hangout classifieds..or trade ..for your house ...car....motorcycle.25000 sounds low for what it is
bobbybanjo - Posted - 12/04/2009: 08:29:53
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Originally posted by jason holgate
25000 i think they coulda got more off the banjo hangout classifieds..or trade ..for your house ...car....motorcycle.25000 sounds low for what it is
For the most part it is just an assembly of non-original and refinished parts, some (like the tone ring) horribly modified.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 12/04/2009: 10:48:52
What parts were non original ? Being re plated and the holes in the ring drilled deffinity cuts the value but still according to Joe Spann its a original RB18 which in all original condition would be alot more $$$$$$$$$$$$$. 25 K stills seems like deal to me even with the stuff that was done to it.
bobbybanjo - Posted - 12/04/2009: 14:50:25
quote:
Originally posted by Haskells RB3
What parts were non original ? Being re plated and the holes in the ring drilled deffinity cuts the value but still according to Joe Spann its a original RB18 which in all original condition would be alot more $$$$$$$$$$$$$. 25 K stills seems like deal to me even with the stuff that was done to it.
Posts in this same thread address the condition and parts in some detail.
El Dobro - Posted - 12/04/2009: 16:30:05
Does anyone remember that RB75 Elderly had about 7-8 years ago? It made the 18 look great and the asking price was around $55,000.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 12/04/2009: 16:57:36
quote,
For the most part it is just an assembly of non-original and refinished parts, some (like the tone ring) horribly modified.
I dont really agree with that,
Apparently its a real RB 18 , re plated and the holes drilled a little bigger, still seems like a deal to me . A lot of old instruments have had some repairs or been altered dosent mean its a bad instrument or " an assembly of non original and refinished parts" . It might be a RB18 that got messed up a bit but still a Prewar RB18.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 12/05/2009: 11:24:30
Auction site says " price realized 25k price includes buyers premium". But even at 30K still a deal to me.
Ks_5-picker - Posted - 12/05/2009: 12:48:20
Seems like a much better deal than the peghead veneer that went for $37k 
From a banjo players perspective,anyway.
Tanbark - Posted - 12/05/2009: 13:10:45
If that's the 18 that Sprung was bringing down to Galax in the mid-1960's, I played it once. A bunch of us did, including, I think, Larry Richardson. I remember two things about it. How loud it was, and how infernally HEAVY it was.
At that time, he told me that it actually belonged to a guy named (synapse test here...)
Paul-something, who played "classical banjo".
I think it was for sale, but sorta-kinda. At that point, I think a goodly handful of cash would have deleted the "sorta-kinda", and would have just made it "for sale".
I have no doubt that that one was original. It just looked right, and making that good a neck, with the authentic art-deco style and all, at that time, would have been a bit unusual, to say the least. (Remember Keith's TT, with an H&F neck?)
If that's the one, I'm not surprised that George wound up with it. He was "mining" Galax then like it was the mother lode. :o)
As for current value, a few years back, a collector down here got an original 5 string 7, out of Florida, and I heard he paid 45K for it. If the 18 is original, 20 thou is ridiculously low. There has to be a Korean sugar-daddy that would go 6 figures on an original 18.
In other news, Paul Hawthorne, on his Asia Banjo's site, says that Gold Star made a few top-tensions. Like to see one of those in a pawn shop for $350. :o)
Anybody ever seen one?
f5loar - Posted - 12/05/2009: 21:05:39
Paul Cadwell the gut string classical player?
That's the same RB18 banjo Roger had back then. Not sure who or when the holes were drilled in it or when it when through some replating but probably along about that time. An original prewar RB18 was just as rare back then as it is today because they still aren't making them anymore. I would think during Hartford's ownership that he had GTR do some work on it since he and Tut Taylor were pretty tight back then. I thought it was cool that both Sprung and Hartford carved their names in the rim.
Haskells RB3 - Posted - 12/06/2009: 11:49:56
Anyone know how much bigger the holes in the ring were drilled out ?
Edited by - Haskells RB3 on 12/06/2009 11:58:40
bobbybanjo - Posted - 12/06/2009: 14:20:09
quote:
Originally posted by Haskells RB3
Anyone know how much bigger the holes in the ring were drilled out ?
Yes, this information is in the condition report earlier in this same thread.
ldgrmnmc - Posted - 12/06/2009: 19:35:31
i would like to hear Larry Perkins weigh in on this banjo. He probably knew this banjo well and could evaluate how collectible it is. Sounds like $25K might be a bargain.
Couchie - Posted - 12/07/2009: 09:13:16
Looks like a good deal to me.
ldgrmnmc - Posted - 12/09/2009: 19:43:59
So, does anyone have an idea of who purchased it?
Tanbark - Posted - 12/10/2009: 19:34:01
That's the guy. Roger told me his name, and all I remember was that it was "Paul".
I always enjoyed talkin' to Roger. He was a trip. And that funky three-finger style he played, was fun to listen to, as he played obscure fiddle tunes and Broadway songs. He always had a Big Apple entourage with him. They were fun, too. It all added to the great ol' days at Galax. 
A statement: To this day, in person, Larry Richardson was the most exciting bluegrass musician I've ever seen. He loved playing for a live crowd that was right beside him.
That singing...to go with his playing...magical. 
Craigkorth - Posted - 12/11/2009: 22:09:48
Hi Tanbark,
I can't believe you got to see Larry Richardson. I recently got the record album "Larry Richardson, Red Barker & The Blue Ridge Boys" from 1965 and I have almost worn it out! My favorite cut is "Let Me Fall". That is some of the best playing and singing I have heard. Larry must have been something to see in person.
Craig
Tanbark - Posted - 12/13/2009: 20:34:03
Craig, thanks for the click. The man was a stone natural. He had the best tenor voice I've ever heard. From playing out amongst 'em at Galax and Union Grove, etc., he had a HANDFUL of signature songs:
Let me Fall
John Henry (I've got a cut of him playing it in A-flat and singing it an octave over. It's goose-bump stuff...)
Come Back Little Pal
Today Has been a Lonesome Day
Pain In My Heart (which he co-wrote with Bobby Osborne)
Molly and Tenbrooks
One memory I have of Union Grove, back in the early 1960's, was watching Winnie Winston and some of the rest of the New York Ramblers (who won the band competition that year) including David Grisman and either Jody Stecher or Jon Sholle (can't remember which...) as they listened to he and his band cutting loose outside the tent. They were mesmerized. Winnie, in particular, loved his music. He, too, could do it. It's heresy to say it, but Winnie's version of "Follow the Leader" was as good as Reno's.
Of Larry, the term "boyish enthusiasm" was made for him. He absolutely loved playing with his feet "on the ground" for a live crowd. He'd light us up and we'd feed it right back to him. ROARS of delight when he'd kick "John Henry"...
"He looked down on the other si-i-ide..." Like ringing a bell.
If there was one musician for whom I could throw a switch and go back in time to see and listen to, it would be Larry. Somewhere, I have a GREAT shot of him at Union Grove. If I can find it, I'll post it.
RIP, Mr. Richardson. If, in his ledger, the good lord totes up making people forget their troubles and be happy for a while, for no compensation but the joy of doing it, you went through the gates in a bored and stroked '57 chevy.
El Dobro - Posted - 12/14/2009: 03:29:51
quote:
Originally posted by ldgrmnmc
So, does anyone have an idea of who purchased it?
Steve Martin?
ldgrmnmc - Posted - 01/06/2010: 20:26:32
I still think may have been the bargain (that got away) of the decade. Page: 1 2
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