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philip4229 - Posted - 11/10/2009: 10:58:36
I'm constantly reminded every time I try to reach out to people on here why I drift further and further away from all the "inspiring Earls", and all the same old bluegrass tunes that they've had their stubborn grips around for 60+ years. What is the point of having a community where somebody can't do a bit of venting to his "brethren". I guess around here it isn't a good idea...I feel like a mouse in cage full of rattlesnakes.
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Nosferatu - Posted - 11/10/2009: 11:02:17
All you ran into are some people that don't agree with you, no harm in that. BHO isn't a group of 'Yes men." If you express your ideas other's will express theirs, that the way the world is.
I don't see what this topic has to do with the type of songs that we play but have you looked at the tabs? There's tab of Black Sabbath, Led Zep, The Doors, Bach, etc...It's not all Bluegrass posted by a bunch of "inspiring Earls," although, I see nothing wrong being inspired by Earl.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/10/2009 11:16:20
steve davis - Posted - 11/10/2009: 11:13:39
I admit I came into this with a predetermined opinion that I probably
wouldn't be agreeing with someone that would write a title like that.
I've never been accused of playing like Earl.
Edited by - steve davis on 11/10/2009 11:22:37
RB11 Player - Posted - 11/10/2009: 11:36:12
There's nothing wrong with having an opinion. If you spoke to JDM first and received nothing for customer satisfaction, I would agree with you. To blindly tear up any company in public that has done more good for the banjo in years is not my idea of a fair fight.
No class IMO. Just my opinion  We're all entitled to one.
rjanecek - Posted - 11/10/2009: 12:16:06
Nice avatar pic....
glad to see your still "strapping" along!!
HA
That was meant to be funny
God Bless America
Rick
scaggs7 - Posted - 11/10/2009: 14:26:40
I see nothing that most have accused Philip4229 of.
He merely made a statement about shipping rates.. $16.++ for a capo size box.
He didn’t tear down or tried to destroy anyone or just made a statement to have an extra number of posts.
I also see that as a bit much for shipping although I have paid it in the past.
jbanjoist - Posted - 11/10/2009: 14:51:44
I agree. Some people may have learned through his post the deal he worked out with Bill and benefit from that but mostly all he gets is "don't talk bad about JDMC" when all he was doing was telling the truth about his own experience.
Of course he already knew if he didn't want to buy from them he would have to find another source .
It could have been worded better. Pathetic is not a good word to use when describing a company that many take no issue with but that experience would tend to raise one's hackles.
16 bucks for that small a package is steep.
Jbanjoist
I'm a NECHVILLIAN!
EDUMACATE YOSEF!
You don't know until you KNOW.
Edited by - jbanjoist on 11/10/2009 14:56:23
steve davis - Posted - 11/10/2009: 15:57:13
If you don't like the deal change the channel.
BanjoLink - Posted - 11/10/2009: 20:00:07
It is strange to me how someone could read all of these posts from many very knowledgeable people regarding shipping, retailing, business, etc. and still not understand why rates are what they are or why one business may charge more than others. Maybe I understood what they are saying because I am exceptionally smart, but if that's so it would be the first time!!!!!
scaggs7 - Posted - 11/10/2009: 20:39:05
Maybe you could expound in more depth
Dubz - Posted - 11/10/2009: 21:05:09
I think a few people have missed the point on your post philip4229, I agree with the point that the shipping should not be a source of profits for a company. Retailers should not mislead consumers into "a lower online price" and then regain the cuts by charging a little extra on the shipping. Has JDMC done this on this occasion? That's another topic for another day. But I think that the act we are discussing should be covered under consumer protection legislation, if not already covered. IMO, online retailers are not resellers of the postal service products, it is a mechanism that is used in the running of an online business. Costs to the retailer due to the labor of running an online business (like wages for Shipping staff, ordering staff, IT etc) should be factored into the price of the product, which means if you cant sell it cheaper than a competitor, maybe you should be rethinking your business model/method of doing business.
I have purchased quite a few orders from both JDMC and Elderly and like them both. I started off ordering only from JDMC but have since moved to ordering exclusively from Elderly. I have to say the cost of shipping made me jump ship to getting all my supplies from Elderly. Also i have been getting my orders quicker from Elderly too.
Service is great from both of these retailers, however IMO the best service I have experienced was from The Mandolin Store, if they stocked more variety i would just use them full stop.
Doc Watson - "Somebody asked me once, how do you learn to play that good?.....You practice like the devil"
Edited by - Dubz on 11/10/2009 21:24:30
Poppy - Posted - 11/10/2009: 22:16:19
Janet Davis has great service, and while they do charge more than some it is pretty much on par with most. I have bought from them in the past and will again the future.
"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg
Gillis Cashman - Posted - 11/11/2009: 04:19:36
Putting the price of the goods to the side. What would be a fair price for shipping this item?
steve davis - Posted - 11/11/2009: 06:41:07
Is this what a sweeping generalization looks like?
quote:
Originally posted by philip4229
I'm constantly reminded every time I try to reach out to people on here why I drift further and further away from all the "inspiring Earls", and all the same old bluegrass tunes that they've had their stubborn grips around for 60+ years. What is the point of having a community where somebody can't do a bit of venting to his "brethren". I guess around here it isn't a good idea...I feel like a mouse in cage full of rattlesnakes.
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Nosferatu - Posted - 11/11/2009: 06:41:51
Gillis:
I think some would like free, chalking it down to the price of doing business but then it would just be off-set with the prices going up to cover it.
I see the H of the S&H as the price of not having to go out and deal with hassle of driving around and having the item delivered to my door.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
banjoken - Posted - 11/11/2009: 08:48:43
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
philip4229:
Do you want Janet to pay for shipping? IF dealers start doing that...Prices will go up because the S&H dosen't go into the stores coffers...
Exactly... If companies did not charge seperately for shipping you can be sure that the shipping price will be figured into the price. With this method companies can figure actual shipping costs for each item. Shipping costs could actually be "slightly" more accurate than the system that Janet, and other companies use, but for SINGLE ITEMS only! With this system in place you would have to pay full shipping for every item you order and for sure even with just two items you would be paying more than you would now with their current system. Also be aware that for some items jd loses money. Don't forget that there are low priced items that could be either heavy, large, or both. Operating a HIGH volume business that sells thousands of items of "different" sizes and weights makes shipping calculations much tricker to calculate than a small company with known limited items. I think JD figured out a system that makes it easy for them to do daily business without confusing things. I bet they are not making money overall on shipping. JD had to make decisions on how to make their shipping charges fair and easy for their type of company. Just remember, in the instances when it does not work in their favor they have to ship it at that price. You as the customer can decide not to buy it when it does not work in your favor.
Edited by - banjoken on 11/11/2009 08:52:16
5stringpicker2 - Posted - 11/11/2009: 08:49:54
Get the white ones and scuff them up throw them in some strong coffee and there ya go Ivoroid
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PyrPups - Posted - 11/11/2009: 15:31:41
I'm willing to bet that if anyone here has spent some time with Janet personally or has had the opportunity to sit in and partake of some instructional time, banjo or dobro, with Janet, none of this bickering over a few bucks would have even been considered. She is a phenomenal picker and a true jewel to the banjo community and I'd send an extra ten bucks so she and her husband could grab a cup of coffe on me. I do most of my instrument related necessities through JDMC without a hitch. Nice honest business...worth every penny. Glad to see you went to the source for your tuners...Bill will fit the buttons so you won't have any problems. Buying just that from JDMC would have cost them money to supply your needs. Part of the business world that one can understand only from the inside. I know you'll be happy with the tuners...there's eighteen of 'em in my household.
Kerry
Yes Sir! He's my "blankety-blank" Buddy! You Betcha!
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/11/2009: 17:22:20
"I'd send an extra ten bucks so she and her husband could grab a cup of coffe on me." -- Kerry
I did the same for A. Hatfield & his lovely wife, told them to buy a doughnut too.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
falconeman - Posted - 11/11/2009: 19:18:01
quote:
Originally posted by Nosferatu
"I'd send an extra ten bucks so she and her husband could grab a cup of coffe on me." -- Kerry
I did the same for A. Hatfield & his lovely wife, told them to buy a doughnut too.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Bingo
buffalograss - Posted - 11/11/2009: 19:31:56
How soon we forget don't we? Anyone remember the tales of woe with FOTW 2 or 3 years ago? Their tailpeice took a beating on this forum.
With all due respect phillip4229, I think you are whining. JD is not pathetic. FOTW was pathetic.
Plinkerton - Posted - 11/11/2009: 23:15:24
My only complaint about Janet Davis Music so far, is that they said I needed a 1/4 inch t-wrench for my Gold Tone banjo head nuts.
That didn't fit.
I spend shipping to send it back.
They then said "Oh yeah, I think you need 5/16.
So, they sent me one, and charged me shipping, and it didn't fit either.
They seem kind of incompetent to me.
Though everything else they sent me wasn't broken, and worked as advertised.
EDIT: Oh, and when I first emailed them to tell them the first wrench didn't fit, they didn't respond for 3 days, until I bugged them again, then they finally responded 2 days after that.
Edited by - Plinkerton on 11/11/2009 23:16:25
rexhunt - Posted - 11/12/2009: 09:56:49
Since it was Keith pegs he wanted in the first place, I'm glad he finally went straight to the source. He got a decent deal and Bill made a couple more bucks than he did off the set he sold to JD. I wonder what JD had to pay for shipping?
Rex
falconeman - Posted - 11/13/2009: 17:25:35
After all this fuss, I was just on Janetdavismusic.com. As of October 1st, all orders over $99 ship free. (same as Elderly). I've had great luck with both.
PaulKirby - Posted - 11/13/2009: 22:56:10
An extra 9 bucks for shipping? I'm sorry for your troubles! What I have paid in shipping and duty alone in the last three years has got to be 3-400$.
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jbanjoist - Posted - 11/14/2009: 08:50:29
quote:
Originally posted by falconeman
After all this fuss, I was just on Janetdavismusic.com. As of October 1st, all orders over $99 ship free. (same as Elderly). I've had great luck with both.
Wonder if this thread had any influence? If so............. WAY TO GO Jbanjoist I'm a NECHVILLIAN! EDUMACATE YOSEF! You don't know until you KNOW. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
Dustyone - Posted - 11/16/2009: 08:52:46
Hi
I've always had good service when purchasing items from Janet Davis !
But the only problem is when the parcel arrives on this side of the border ??
The Canadian postal service takes over and charges me a substancial tax!!!
And it seems to mostly happen when I order things from her????
Jammer - Posted - 12/01/2009: 16:59:43
quote:
Originally posted by philip4229
I'm constantly reminded every time I try to reach out to people on here why I drift further and further away from all the "inspiring Earls", and all the same old bluegrass tunes that they've had their stubborn grips around for 60+ years. What is the point of having a community where somebody can't do a bit of venting to his "brethren". I guess around here it isn't a good idea...I feel like a mouse in cage full of rattlesnakes.
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I am far from being a copier of Earl's. I happen to see both sides here, or as in the great movie: "Ole Brother Where Art Thou?" - "Well, I'm with you fellers!" I do not agree where Hugh paid himself $5.00 for his own personal shopping "time", but much of his math did make some points. Sales Tax was a good one. However, to me there is only ONE single fair method to calculate shipping: #1: FORGET "the handling" fees, which is a disclaimer to charge to the sky for a limit. #2: Have the items weighed by UPS/FedEx/ Whomever #3: The cost of the shipping container, tp be most fair, should NOT be an expense added to the customer's order. Doing this wreaks of an artificially low price on the product(s) #4: Add the EXACT shipping charge to the order's total cost. The problem with my idea is, well, it's not simple. It also does not factor in very sudden fuel spikes (maybe) etc... But, Big deal. I don't buy excuses to charge more for shipping, if that has to be done then the item's bottom line price is under-inflated to get orders and the REAL price is much higher and may not be the best buy after certain methods of calculating shipping are done. Somebody could give a customer a general range of costs, but only charge their CC# the exact amount the shipping service charges after all of the items being shipped are packaged and shipped. When the customer receives the items ordered it should not be too difficult to compare shipping cost PAID to the REAL Shipping costs stamped on the box/package. I do NOT agree with so called handling fees, nor do I agree with charging customers more for somebody's time in packing an item (that's business overhead) nor charging for boxes, "penuts" etc (also overhead). Shipping fees should be the exact price charged by the shipper period. I get very sick of being charged many bucks for shipping and latter finding a ink-stamp for about 25% of what I was charged for shipping. The most fair way is to raise prices enough to pay the person to get a shipping BOX and for their time to pack said box and call FedEx or whomever and get it shipped. As far as I understand the process things are weighed before shipping much of the time, and as long as they still weigh items before charging a business for shipping then I see no reason why customers should be charged one cent higher. I can see where many online are so busy trying to hold a bottom line that they pass on many other costs they have instead of raising the prices and writing it off as overhead costs of doing business. Maybe "ChinaMart" should start charging both sides, one being the customer, a "storage fee" for having an item sitting on a table before it's sold. Some business tactics really test my patience. - One example being where a new car salesman/woman might charge a "prep fee" - which I was once told covered their expense of filling the gas tank and washing the car- my cost was $400!! And no, I did not pay one dime of it. Shipping fees should be that at not one cent more.
Edited by - Jammer on 12/01/2009 17:06:33
dale v - Posted - 12/02/2009: 09:04:09
check with John@ bluegrass musucians supply in columbus ohio 1-800-783-2583,tell him i suggested you call him
JLB - Posted - 12/02/2009: 15:11:33
This is interesting. Seems people don't like hidden charges.
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/12/hi...ml?GT1=43001
"Noisy neighbors, traffic jams, and long checkout lines would find their way onto anyone's list of daily irritations. But when it comes to really raising people's blood pressure, nothing can compete with hidden fees, according to a new survey by Consumer Reports. In fact, companies taking money in sneaky ways was rated more than twice as annoying as another classic irritant: inaccurate weather reports.
Corporate misbehavior apparently smells so bad to consumers that hidden fees even far outpaced unscooped dog poop."
-Jim
Alex Z - Posted - 12/02/2009: 20:35:50
quote:
One example being where a new car salesman/woman might charge a "prep fee" - which I was once told covered their expense of filling the gas tank and washing the car- my cost was $400!!
That's the simple situation. Now, what if one dealer prices the car at $21,000 with no prep fee, and a competing dealer prices the same car at $20,000 plus $400 prep? Who is offering the better deal? Again, one might look at the "out the door" cost. That's the original situation that started this thread, and shows the merit of evaluating the total cost of the transaction, rather than complaining about the parts one doesn't like, but not giving credit to the other parts that work to one's advantage. Basic business negotiation is that one might debate the parts with the other party, but the decision should be look at the total package. Further, nothing was "hidden" in the original proposed transaction -- in fact, the shipping rates were plain for all to see, as the poster indicated, not an unknown amount added on later.
Edited by - Alex Z on 12/02/2009 20:36:19
Jammer - Posted - 12/02/2009: 21:09:45
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Z
quote:
One example being where a new car salesman/woman might charge a "prep fee" - which I was once told covered their expense of filling the gas tank and washing the car- my cost was $400!!
That's the simple situation.
Now, what if one dealer prices the car at $21,000 with no prep fee, and a competing dealer prices the same car at $20,000 plus $400 prep? Who is offering the better deal? Again, one might look at the "out the door" cost.
That's the original situation that started this thread, and shows the merit of evaluating the total cost of the transaction, rather than complaining about the parts one doesn't like, but not giving credit to the other parts that work to one's advantage. Basic business negotiation is that one might debate the parts with the other party, but the decision should be look at the total package.
Further, nothing was "hidden" in the original proposed transaction -- in fact, the shipping rates were plain for all to see, as the poster indicated, not an unknown amount added on later.
In such a case, IF I COULD AFFORD IT, I would go to the more expensive dealer because of no hidden fees- something I see as being dishonest.
specs - Posted - 12/02/2009: 21:49:40
As has been stated earlier in this thread, this type of pricing structure for shipping is fairly common. Of the couple hundred B2C sites I've programmed over the years about 1/5 have the same pricing structure as in the OP and of the others that use weight for pricing about 3/5 charge the "retail" price for shipping options even though they get a reduced rate. Most of the B2B sites charge the reduced/actual charge for shipping, but even then they add a handling fee on top of it...
Banjowen - Posted - 12/03/2009: 02:01:11
The Desert Rose bridge I ordered from JD arrived two days ago, it cost $29.95 plus postage and fees $12.95 then a further £10.70 for our greedy rip off British customs, all that money for something that weighed no more than 3 oz...ugh!
JLB - Posted - 12/03/2009: 10:38:01
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Z
quote:
One example being where a new car salesman/woman might charge a "prep fee" - which I was once told covered their expense of filling the gas tank and washing the car- my cost was $400!!
That's the simple situation.
The point of my bringing this article up is regardless of how the price compares on the open market people don't like this tactic. I know I don't. Tire shops have been doing this for years. The idea is to give the impression of a low price whether it is actually lower than the competition or not. Indeed the items are low priced BUT the total cost to the consumer MAY be higher than the percieved price just as they MAY be lower. It's deceptive, IMO and just because everyone is doing it doesn't make it right. -Jim
Alex Z - Posted - 12/04/2009: 11:13:25
Now, take this in the right way, because I'm going to be a little argumentative here, which I normally don't do on the forum. 
-- For the dealer A offering $20k + $400 = $20,400, versus dealer B at $21k, which dealer has the fees "hidden"? If the prep fee comes in at the last minute, one could fairly call it a "hidden" charge. If it is known at the beginning, it is not hidden, only one visible component of the price. For the OP, the chart for shipping was known in advance, independent of what was being purchased. Nothing was hidden at all.
-- It seemed that what it would take to satisfy the OP would be to buy the car from A at $20k, and pay for the prep costs that B is listing. The OP had the opportunity to purchase from a company with "free shipping", but did not because -- guess what? -- the total cost of the item was higher than the place that charged shipping.
-- If one wants to pay a higher price to dealer B, that's OK -- but it is not a decision based on economics, but rather on personal preference of how one likes to see price components. If one places value on not seeing any components of the price other than the total, buying from B can be satisfactory. But it is not because A is charging "too much" for prep (or, for shipping).
The OP came to the forum with a "feeling that he was being taken advantage of" because he was able to purchase everything he wanted from one place, at the lowest total cost compared to other options that he had explored. Some people, including me, didn't see this as an economic problem.
Jammer - Posted - 12/04/2009: 17:45:01
I am trying to avoid this site because of the stupid NO SIG rule. But I keep getting email about this thread, so I have been following this.
We need more customers that stand for honesty and not just the out the door price. Americans want a better economy? No prob. Buy American goods, not china stuff, whenever one can. Buy something from "ChiMart" for 50 cents and it breaks when you open the package, then TAKE IT BACK EVEN IF GASOLINE COSTS ARE HIGHER! This logic should also apply to online dealers that advertise a super low price on an item but sock it to you in other fees, hidden or not it's the fact the item is advertised at a price and one latter learns the real price is much higher. We are used to sales tax on many things, but we have to many places with hidden fees in general, and even when they are advised to the customer before ordering, it still smacks of being dishonest to me when the charge is for SHIPPING yet a company expects to add on the price of a cardboard box, insulation, the actual shipping cost AND $$ to pay a worker to ship it. People have became way too focused on prices and it could help us all if more customers would stand for American made goods (IF YOUR AN AMERICAN) AND not do business with anyone that smacks of trying to charge for things that should be overhead.
Terry
SIG= American Flag (Now Banned here, because it is a Signature and I do not have time to copy/paste the url to a picture site that bans signatures after 6 years of never having such a rule)
reller - Posted - 12/04/2009: 18:52:35
At the risk of being lambasted like Phillip I have been pretty steamed about the cost designates the shipping price thing. I have had good service from jdmc however the shipping policy has always caused me to not buy the higher priced lighter/smaller items there. I wound up ordering a set of cheat a keys the other day because OTMC dosen't take Discover and mumbled and grumbled about the charge to ship such a small item, I just sucked it up because of the "usually" fast service. Now I got an e-mail the $%%^ things are on back order after they were advertised as being in stock. NOT A HAPPY CUSTOMER AT THE MOMENT.....
Bluegrassfire1 - Posted - 12/04/2009: 20:26:24
"The Free Hand of Competition" always wins out! Janet Davis has always been fair with me....I have purchased her super books on banjo and dobro. Have bought pics, capo's strings, sought advice etc. I have even spoken with her on the phone and purchased a very nice banjo from her. It was set up just right even adding a Price tailpiece. I have learned that "You get what you pay for" in tools, cars, banjo's etc. In my business, when a guys first question is "How much do you charge to........." from experience this a customer that I don't want or need....they are usually cheap, and the work you do for them is never good enough. Janet Davis, thank you for your services.
Texasbanjo - Posted - 12/05/2009: 05:49:21
Let's keep on topic, folks. This is about Janet Davis' shipping charges, not cars.
Jammer - Posted - 12/05/2009: 11:22:14
Yeah, this would be the first thread to ever stray THAT far off topic.
Yup, better lock er up.
reller - Posted - 12/05/2009: 18:08:19
I'm glad some of you folks don't need or care to ask why something seems out of kilter. Been in the business world a long time and it costs more to ship a hundred dollars worth of horse manure than a thousand dollars worth of gold...... Mom always said take care of you pennies and your dollars will take care of themselves. I too thank Janet Davis for her good service and contribution to the music world I love. But daaaannng guys common sense is common sense.
rickeym - Posted - 12/06/2009: 07:56:50
Yep.
quote:
Originally posted by Jammer
Yeah, this would be the first thread to ever stray THAT far off topic.
Yup, better lock er up.
JLB - Posted - 12/08/2009: 16:31:01
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Z
Now, take this in the right way, because I'm going to be a little argumentative here, which I normally don't do on the forum.
Alex I get your point and understand that the shipping/handling + the cost of the item can indeed be less expensive than the item cost + no shipping charges somewhere else but I still don't care for it.  How about this one. Item costs $6.95 + $5.00 shipping. Alright, I'll buy that $100 item and get one of these in the same shipment. Uh oh, the fine print says the $6.95 item only ships seperately.  Or this one. Web site says on sale $250 for an item. Good price I'll take one. Company employee "Oh the web is wrong. The item is no longer on sale". Bait an switch or honest mistake? Who know? Still not fun though. Just strikes me and I guess some other as being a little smarrmy. But I guess in these time if the tactic keeps the company going and we get more buying choices because of it then maybe more consumer tolerance is in order. -Jim
banjoken - Posted - 12/08/2009: 20:32:20
quote:
Originally posted by JLB
How about this one. Item costs $6.95 + $5.00 shipping. Alright, I'll buy that $100 item and get one of these in the same shipment. Uh oh, the fine print says the $6.95 item only ships seperately.
Or this one. Web site says on sale $250 for an item. Good price I'll take one. Company employee "Oh the web is wrong. The item is no longer on sale". Bait an switch or honest mistake? Who know? Still not fun though. Just strikes me and I guess some other as being a little smarrmy. But I guess in these time if the tactic keeps the company going and we get more buying choices because of it then maybe more consumer tolerance is in order.
Are we still talking about Janet Davis? Both examples do not sound like it.
Jammer - Posted - 12/08/2009: 20:47:08
quote:
Originally posted by banjoken
quote:
Originally posted by JLB
How about this one. Item costs $6.95 + $5.00 shipping. Alright, I'll buy that $100 item and get one of these in the same shipment. Uh oh, the fine print says the $6.95 item only ships seperately.
Or this one. Web site says on sale $250 for an item. Good price I'll take one. Company employee "Oh the web is wrong. The item is no longer on sale". Bait an switch or honest mistake? Who know? Still not fun though. Just strikes me and I guess some other as being a little smarrmy. But I guess in these time if the tactic keeps the company going and we get more buying choices because of it then maybe more consumer tolerance is in order.
Are we still talking about Janet Davis? Both examples do not sound like it.
Is there a rule here that says how far on topic a thread has to be? I feel the members posting within this thread are setting examples of fees both hidden and not, of which they feel is not fair to the customer. This is directly derived from the idea that the OP felt he/she expressed as if they were somehow not given a fair shake when shipping was added to the OP's order. If we can not converse on a subject without straying one inch from the EXACT title, than that's another reason this place is changing too much and too fast for my interests. (Take tonight's mass emailing of "Merry Christmas" that was pure SPAM from many of BHO's sponsors for example). I have been on many other forum sites in which the topic of the thread will change many times more than this thread has without anyone posting anything against it. It's sure no worse than the game threads that go on for 100 pages in Off Topic. Terry Merry Christmas (NO disrespect here) [Place SPAM here]
banjoken - Posted - 12/08/2009: 21:11:43
Sorry Jammer. I am not suggesting one should not wander from topic. I have not read much of this thread since the beginning and just quickly browsed the ending this evening. For sure the post I quoted did not sound like JD.
Sounds like you have burned out on this site from this post and from the ones about the sigs. :c( Page: 1 2
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