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Nosferatu - Posted - 11/09/2009: 10:35:09
Brother, I remember when you were sick. Like KE said, wash your hands, if you go out to eat, don't let your fork touch the table, isolate your self and you lovely wife the best you can. Just be careful what you touch and put near you face. Dr. Rose was 100% correct about that.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/09/2009 10:35:53
banjoken - Posted - 11/09/2009: 10:51:28
I have heard repeatedly on the news that the h1n1 is hitting the young stronger than the old. They think it has something to do with the elderly being exposed to stuff in the past that may be protecting them. First I heard that blowing your nose will keep you from getting the flu.
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:08:16
Nice to know I was right about something lol
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:08:39
quote:
Originally posted by banjoken
..... First I heard that blowing your nose will keep you from getting the flu.
Nobody here claimed that it would keep you from getting it (yet).  . Dennis  
banjoken - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:16:13
quote:
Originally posted by backtothefuture
Nobody here claimed that it would keep you from getting it (yet).
Oops... you are right. I read that quickly. I guess blowing the nose could be a good way to get rid of germs from having a cold, though I wonder if the cold will go away faster by blowing them out.
midnightcall72 - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:19:10
I am a nurse and I know that doesnt make me know anything BUT I do know some Doctors, I know some infectious disease doctors. I had one infectious disease Dr tell me the reports of numbers of swine flu are being grossly overexagerated. He has to report people personally so he know the requirements to be reported. He told me that the cdc i only taking so many actual cases from each hospital every so often, i am not sure on the actual numbers f days . He also said that because of this you have to treat anyone who has flu A as if they had swine flu, and so it is just in with all the swine flu statistics. He and his partners all have told me that ALOT of swine flu reports are flu A. Also they say swine flu is just another flu. At our hospital we have had several "swine flu" pts treated and gone home fine, I have been up in there faces sticking IVs, labs and such without a mask because of us not knowing yet that they have it. We also have had 1 worker die with it. but the cases at our hospital when people have died have had comordities that could have possibly killed them with the regular flu. Now having said all that you can believe them or not, they may be full of crap, but i have seen our infectious disease Dr's be open about not taking the vaccine themselves and walk into pt's rooms with no mask and etc and have not yet gotten a fever. it kinda makes you wonder sometimes if maybe some of the scare is hype so that certain high powered individuals can seem like saviors when its over. or then again maybe we will all die smelling like bacon
Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
God is good.
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:20:21
quote:
Originally posted by banjoken
I have heard repeatedly on the news that the h1n1 is hitting the young stronger than the old. They think it has something to do with the elderly being exposed to stuff in the past that may be protecting them. First I heard that blowing your nose will keep you from getting the flu.
I have no idea if blowing your nose will stop you getting the flu, I am only saying that my doctor told me that when you have a cold, you can get rid of it quicker by blowing your nose as much as possible to expel the germs If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
backtothefuture - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:27:29
quote:
Originally posted by banjoken
quote:
Originally posted by backtothefuture
Nobody here claimed that it would keep you from getting it (yet).
Oops... you are right. I read that quickly. I guess blowing the nose could be a good way to get rid of germs from having a cold, though I wonder if the cold will go away faster by blowing them out.
I googled and found that it is ESPECIALLY for for Sinusitis......by blowing your nose constantly, you're helping to clear the sinuses. Just don't blow your nose on other people.  . Dennis
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:33:50
One would expect a person blowing their nose would be doing so into a tissue and then disposing of it immediately, otherwise they would be defeating the object
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
midnightcall72 - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:36:29
maybe people have been blowing their nose into a cat
Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
God is good.
KE - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:41:57
quote:
Originally posted by midnightcall72
I am a nurse and I know that doesnt make me know anything BUT I do know some Doctors, I know some infectious disease doctors. I had one infectious disease Dr tell me the reports of numbers of swine flu are being grossly overexagerated. He has to report people personally so he know the requirements to be reported. He told me that the cdc i only taking so many actual cases from each hospital every so often, i am not sure on the actual numbers f days . He also said that because of this you have to treat anyone who has flu A as if they had swine flu, and so it is just in with all the swine flu statistics. He and his partners all have told me that ALOT of swine flu reports are flu A. Also they say swine flu is just another flu. At our hospital we have had several "swine flu" pts treated and gone home fine, I have been up in there faces sticking IVs, labs and such without a mask because of us not knowing yet that they have it. We also have had 1 worker die with it. but the cases at our hospital when people have died have had comordities that could have possibly killed them with the regular flu. Now having said all that you can believe them or not, they may be full of crap, but i have seen our infectious disease Dr's be open about not taking the vaccine themselves and walk into pt's rooms with no mask and etc and have not yet gotten a fever. it kinda makes you wonder sometimes if maybe some of the scare is hype so that certain high powered individuals can seem like saviors when its over. or then again maybe we will all die smelling like bacon
Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
God is good.
Your doctors should hopefully know that ALL influenza a H1N1 viruses are in fact influenza a viruses by definition, and that the rapid influenza screening tests used in doctor's offices are inaccurate for H1N1 in about 1/3 of cases. The more definitive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests are showing that virtually ALL flu symptom cases recently have been testing positive for H1N1 using the PCR test.
pandjlocke - Posted - 11/09/2009: 11:54:33
KE writes: "Your doctors should hopefully know that ALL influenza a H1N1 viruses are in fact influenza a viruses by definition, and that the rapid influenza screening tests used in doctor's offices are inaccurate for H1N1 in about 1/3 of cases. The more definitive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests are showing that virtually ALL flu symptom cases recently have been testing positive for H1N1 using the PCR test."
My doctor told me that H1N1 is about the only strain going around heavily right now. They're expecting "seasonal flu" to hit in a couple of weeks.
Beware of the urgent crowding out the important - C.E. Hummel
Paddy
midnightcall72 - Posted - 11/09/2009: 12:10:46
Yes I know rapid flu swabs are not accurate, I work in a hospital so they have time to do more testing. We do the rRT-PCR and or viral culture. Sometimes we found out they have it or not after they go home. SOme have had it and been well enough to go home before we knew they had it as I stated before. What I am saying is that the CDC is only taking test on those hospitalized and only so many from each hospital. SO anyone testing positive for flu A but not able to have the other tests MUST be treated and reported AS IF they have swine flu which skyrockets swine flu statistics. ALL those who have died in our area have at least been diabetic and obese and have more or less died of respiratory failure that obese people have a higher tendancy to anyway. We have had lots of people with flu A/H1n1 who have not yet been in contact precautions, and only 1 employee in the hospital has contracted it. and who knows he may have got it at home from his cat.
Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
God is good.
Alpha Omicron - Posted - 11/09/2009: 13:10:28
As with any flu epidemic, get the vaccine (not getting it is morally reprehensible unless there's a serious condition that prevents you from it), wash your hands frequently, and don't worry too much.
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 11/09/2009: 14:04:08
[quote]Originally posted by midnightcall72
and We have had lots of people with flu A/H1n1 who have not yet been in contact precautions, and only 1 employee in the hospital has contracted it. and who knows he may have got it at home from his cat.
/quote]
Seems logical.
Lee Callicutt
jazzylynne - Posted - 11/09/2009: 14:12:07
I was recently in the hospital for surgery. When I checked in they told me that due to the flu no one under the age of 18 was allowed to visit. They had a security guy checking visitors in and out and giving them badges to wear while in the hospital.
Plus there were signs all over the place telling us to ask our care givers if they washed their hands first. There seemed to be a lot of concern over this flu.
Lynne
amerz - Posted - 11/09/2009: 14:37:55
oh yes, I'm not denying that there is an awful flu, and it's a real b****! my 9 yr old had a fever of 103 off and on for 3 days, and she's fine. But I couldn't live with myself if I'd gotten her that shot and she suffered paralysis or death because of a voluntary poisoning...the flu itself may not be a hoax, the "pandemic proportion" part and "fear" is only to get everyone to fight over a money maker... watch some of the posts on you tube.
BConk - Posted - 11/09/2009: 14:41:17
quote:
Originally posted by backtothefuture
quote:
Originally posted by banjoken
quote:
Originally posted by backtothefuture
Nobody here claimed that it would keep you from getting it (yet).
Oops... you are right. I read that quickly. I guess blowing the nose could be a good way to get rid of germs from having a cold, though I wonder if the cold will go away faster by blowing them out.
I googled and found that it is ESPECIALLY for for Sinusitis......by blowing your nose constantly, you're helping to clear the sinuses.
Just don't blow your nose on other people.
.
Dennis
Actually - it's my understanding that blowing the nose is a leading cause of sinusitis. Many people blow too hard while blocking one nostril or the other. The resulting pressure can force mucus into the sinus cavities were it blocks the cavity and the mucus can then become septic - causing sinusitis. I use a Neti pot several times a week or even daily during cold and flu season. I have been ever since 2005 when my EN&T Dr. prescribed it to help me recover from sinus surgery. It takes some getting used to - it looks like a little teapot. You mix a saline solution with warm sterile water in the pot; tilt your head to one side over the sink; put the spout in the higher nostril and pour. The solution works its way into your sinuses and eventually comes out the other nostril and into the sink. You pour half in one nostril until it all drains out, then you tilt your head to the other side and pour the other half. When you're done you cup your hand over you nose - taking care not to pinch either nostril - then blow gently. This procedure irrigates the sinuses and flushes them out very thoroughly. I've found that once you get used to it it's very soothing and, from what I understand, it has been clinically shown as an effective way to reduce the duration and severity of head colds. I even do it after I've been working around a lot of dust or charcoal - or when I've been in the indoor range shooting alot. If the doc says blowing your nose helps protect you from H1N1 - I'd bet the Neti pot does an even better job of it.  "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
amerz - Posted - 11/09/2009: 14:48:40
did anyone watch the link I posted?
MarkRough - Posted - 11/09/2009: 14:55:14
Yes. Don't you suppose medicine has made some improvements in the last 33 years?
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Some days you're the dog. . . other days you're the hydrant.
MarkRough - Posted - 11/09/2009: 15:00:45
Yes. Don't you suppose medicine has made some improvements in the last 33 years?
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Some days you're the dog. . . other days you're the hydrant.
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/09/2009: 15:02:13
I watched the link...I remember when that was happening...BTW another women just died today in San Diego from the h1n1.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
pandjlocke - Posted - 11/09/2009: 15:47:13
Yes, I watched it as well. As previously mentioned, it WAS 33 years ago, and this time people are actually dying.
Beware of the urgent crowding out the important - C.E. Hummel
Paddy
Brother Jeeter - Posted - 11/09/2009: 16:54:50
I may be a morally reprehensible, lowlife, scoundrel. But with my Diabetes, Thyroid trouble, diminished lung function and weight, I decline my place as a Guinea Pig. Make that Guinea SWINE (you know...as in the Flu.)
I have too much against me to gamble on a vaccine that I mistrust. I am SURE I haven't had the Flu in ten years.
I used to play a LOT of Poker. I don't like the odds with the vaccine (actually EITHER of them.) As I used to say sometimes, "I'll play THESE cards."
Brother J.
“The pump don’t work ‘cause the vandals took the handles.”
Bob Dylan
“Don’t get beat, ever, by anything, or anyone. You might get killed, but never get beat…And never ask for nothing but God’s light to see by.”
'The Woodsman'
"Do not traverse a structure erected to afford passage over a waterway until the time of drawing nigh unto it."
"Endeavor to Persevere."
From THE OUTLAW JOSIE WALES
amerz - Posted - 11/09/2009: 17:58:24
ditto! thalidomide was a wonderful thing back in the day too... poison is poison. I would go into the autism mercury topic, but I like this forum, and don't want kicked because of my outlandish conspiracy theories. See I knew it was a heated topic, like politics and religion- but honestly, western medicine IS a religion, I apologize if I offended some members belief system. I like the quote about asking the barber about needing a haircut. That pretty much sums it up! fruits vegetables, fresh air and exercise are free, and so is your mind and health care if you live by those guidelines. ok I'm done I swear!
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/10/2009: 02:24:35
I have just received my invitation to get the vaccine from my doctors at 9.20am on Saturday morning, and as even a simple cold and tonsilitis is playing havoc with my asthma, I am definitely going to have it, I am not dumb enough to take un-necesary risks with my health, Should be ok, I had the flu vaccine a couple of years ago and I have had the pneumonia vaccine, and I never had any trouble with those, so I don't expect to have any with this
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
Edited by - Louisiana Rose on 11/10/2009 03:22:54
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/10/2009: 02:53:23
quote:
Originally posted by Brother Jeeter
I may be a morally reprehensible, lowlife, scoundrel. But with my Diabetes, Thyroid trouble, diminished lung function and weight, I decline my place as a Guinea Pig. Make that Guinea SWINE (you know...as in the Flu.)
I have too much against me to gamble on a vaccine that I mistrust. I am SURE I haven't had the Flu in ten years.
I used to play a LOT of Poker. I don't like the odds with the vaccine (actually EITHER of them.) As I used to say sometimes, "I'll play THESE cards."
Brother J.
“The pump don’t work ‘cause the vandals took the handles.”
Bob Dylan
“Don’t get beat, ever, by anything, or anyone. You might get killed, but never get beat…And never ask for nothing but God’s light to see by.”
'The Woodsman'
"Do not traverse a structure erected to afford passage over a waterway until the time of drawing nigh unto it."
"Endeavor to Persevere."
From THE OUTLAW JOSIE WALES
I wouldn't dream of calling you any of those things, Brother J, but it is precisely because of those health issues, that you should have the vaccine. Unless you are a recluse and not likely to come into any contact with anyone with Swine flu, your risks of being seriously ill or even dying are extremely high, As we get the vaccine on the NHS and our NHS only offers the vaccine to those at risk and they have just sent me an appointment to have the vaccine, if they deem me to be at risk, who am I to argue with them, I shall certainly be having the vaccine, you must make up your own mind If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/10/2009: 06:15:42
quote:
Originally posted by amerz
ditto! thalidomide was a wonderful thing back in the day too... poison is poison.
Don't you think its a bit of a scare tactic that a drug rushed through FDA 30+ years ago that caused limb malformations and birth defects is even remotely related to a killed virus that cannot cause the flu? That's like claiming because folks screwed up giving arsenic or opium for health reasons we shouldn't have any medicinal interventions. BTW, thalidiomide IS currently still used under certain conditions. Coffee is poison. Caffiene also has some fantastic good sides, too.
flake - Posted - 11/10/2009: 06:38:55
Rose-----Do I recall you mentioning that you're an asthma sufferer? If so, make sure you only receive the SHOT form of the vaccine using the killed virus. You're NOT a candidate for the LIVE form of the nasal vaccine for H1N1. I'm sure Health should have that on their records, but, just to be safe.......
mike
You can't ride home on a bowl of goat. I've always said that.
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/10/2009: 06:56:07
I'll be having a shot in the arm according to my doctor, at my own surgery where they already have my health records, but thanks for the advice
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
Edited by - Louisiana Rose on 11/10/2009 06:57:46
vintagewells - Posted - 11/10/2009: 11:34:10
I was led to believe that those of us over 50 are at low risk. My parents were born before the 1917-1918 flu epidemic, and were children at the time it sruck. I don't know whether either had it. My mother's younger brother died of spinal meningitis which may have been a complication of the flu.
I believe that those of us with parents born before 1917/18, may have a mild immunity to the flu, through our parents. who survived exposure to this flu. It may have still been around when we were growing up. I definately had a bad flu in the late 50's and another in the late 60's. Both of these events are supposed to provide some protection. How much protection do we get from our parents, particularly our moms?
I don't think I will be getting the shot. I already had the regular flu shot and had some problems after getting it. If I were to have any shot it would be the pneumonia shot, which I have already had. They last for five years.
I am surprised that they aren't recommending having that if the h1n1 vaccine isn't available. Unless the pneumonia shot doesn't protect from the pneumonia that developes as a complication of the flu.
Lorna
Love me, love my banjos
Aluminum Rims rule!
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/10/2009: 12:21:00
I have no idea if you have immunity from your parents from the 1917/18 flu epidemic, however you only get certain anti bodies from your mother during the first few days of breast feeding, if, like myself, you were bottle fed, you would not have got those antibodies.
However, as far as I know, if you are normally healthy with no history of asthma or lung problems, I don't think that you would be classed as at risk, (I am only going by what our NHS is saying, we are only offered the vaccine at all if the NHS thinks that, from your medical records that you would be at risk if you were not vaccinated.
The flu vaccine is a different vaccine and would not protect you from getting swine flu, the only time my doctor would not give you a vaccine is if you had a high temperature at the time , you would be advised to wait until you were feeling better before having the vaccine.
I had the flu virus a couple of years ago without any adverse reaction, I didn't have it last year because I missed my appointment and forgot all about it. I had the pneumonia vaccine about 4 years ago, also without adverse effects, I was told I would not need another one as it is supposed to last a lifetime.
As my doctor is advising me to have the swine flu vaccine, I will certainly be having it
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/10/2009: 19:02:54
4 more deaths today due to H1N1 in San Diego. One a 48 year old female with no underlying medical problems.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
KE - Posted - 11/10/2009: 19:10:41
It's hard to relax until my kids both get immunized. So far the vaccine promised to schools hasn't shown up.
Wait till we hit flu season. Keep washing those hands.
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/10/2009: 19:30:45
KE, 2 of the 4 were kids. I'm not trying to scare anyone and I'm sorry if I did. Just watch the kids and keep them safe the best you can.
Thank you,
"Count" Hugh
"I bent over him, and tried to find any sign of life, but in vain." -- Jonathan Harker, Dracula
Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/10/2009 19:32:20
Brother Jeeter - Posted - 11/11/2009: 09:00:28
Bump
“The pump don’t work ‘cause the vandals took the handles.”
Bob Dylan
“Don’t get beat, ever, by anything, or anyone. You might get killed, but never get beat…And never ask for nothing but God’s light to see by.”
'The Woodsman'
"Do not traverse a structure erected to afford passage over a waterway until the time of drawing nigh unto it."
"Endeavor to Persevere."
From THE OUTLAW JOSIE WALES
BConk - Posted - 11/11/2009: 14:55:45
quote:
Originally posted by vintagewells
I was led to believe that those of us over 50 are at low risk. My parents were born before the 1917-1918 flu epidemic, and were children at the time it sruck. I don't know whether either had it. My mother's younger brother died of spinal meningitis which may have been a complication of the flu.
I believe that those of us with parents born before 1917/18, may have a mild immunity to the flu, through our parents. who survived exposure to this flu. It may have still been around when we were growing up. I definately had a bad flu in the late 50's and another in the late 60's. Both of these events are supposed to provide some protection. How much protection do we get from our parents, particularly our moms?
I don't think I will be getting the shot. I already had the regular flu shot and had some problems after getting it. If I were to have any shot it would be the pneumonia shot, which I have already had. They last for five years.
I am surprised that they aren't recommending having that if the h1n1 vaccine isn't available. Unless the pneumonia shot doesn't protect from the pneumonia that developes as a complication of the flu.
Lorna
Love me, love my banjos
Aluminum Rims rule!
I am who I am because of The Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918/19. My grandfather, James Leo Conklin, lost his first wife to the "Spanish flu" in 1918. He remarried - to Katherine Regan - my grandmother. "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/11/2009 14:56:18
Banjoitus - Posted - 11/12/2009: 18:47:27
For any of you who might be curious about the outcome of the diabetic I mentioned in an earlier post who had come down with the swine flu. He is out of the comma but is still in the hospital, and is unable to talk or eat solid food because of the tube they put in his throat while he was unable to breathe on his own. He is a very descent man, and has a good family, I sincerely hope he comes out of this O.K. I have been acquainted through doing business with him for over ten years. It is impossible to see someone as many times as I've see Teaf, and not become attached to them. May he get well soon.
Clint
Bassora - Posted - 11/12/2009: 20:34:30
The Great Influenza Pandemic -- there was no rhyme or reason who was sickened by that disease. My father (who was about 12 at the time) and his family faired okay yet a neighbor family was literally wiped out by the disease.
The information released to our school about who needs the H1N1 vaccine:
- children and young people
- people in ill health
- people who work with children or people in ill health
Apparently, people in the over 50 age range have some form of immunity (it is unknown why). Even those who have become sickened haven't had the devastating effect. A surprisingly large number of fatalities have been children, young people and pregnant women. Following recommendations during ANY flu season: - Drink lots of hot liquids. It seems to wash away the germs
- Blow your nose. Even if you don't feel particularly congested it will help get rid of some of the germs.
- Use a neti pot or at least a cotton swab with water and salt. Salt water is a good germ killer.
- A little hot steam like from a tea kettle is good for clearing the sinuses and helped remove some of the germs.
- Vitamin C with Zinc can help you build up a resistence. Some people have observed good preventative results with Vitamin D, too.
- Wash your hands. And keep your hands away from your face (germs are spread from handshakes and even touching inanimate objects).
- If you're sick, stay home. If your kids are sick, keep them home. (People who send their kids to school with a 103 fever are idiots for endangering the health of their own children as well as all the other children in the classroom)
Locally, H1N1 hit a couple of weeks ago. They almost closed down the school district (our district covers 200 square miles). In a couple of my classes, attendance was at 50%, but no fatalities. Class numbers are now back to normal. I have had the regular flu vaccine (I have a history of asthma). But I'm in the over 50 category ... not sure if I will have the H1N1 shot. Bassora Mo from near the Big Mo
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/13/2009: 06:39:24
quote:
Originally posted by Banjoitus
For any of you who might be curious about the outcome of the diabetic I mentioned in an earlier post who had come down with the swine flu. He is out of the comma but is still in the hospital, and is unable to talk or eat solid food because of the tube they put in his throat while he was unable to breathe on his own. He is a very descent man, and has a good family, I sincerely hope he comes out of this O.K. I have been acquainted through doing business with him for over ten years. It is impossible to see someone as many times as I've see Teaf, and not become attached to them. May he get well soon.
Clint
I 'll keep him in my prayers If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
Louisiana Rose - Posted - 11/13/2009: 06:43:34
I have had to delay having my swine flu vaccine as the cold I have had all week is now a chest infection, so I am on antibiotics and I have to re-book my vaccination appointment when I am well enough to have it
If you are gonna be out of date, do it right
inniepie - Posted - 11/13/2009: 22:45:13
It's not fun. My daughter got it, I got it...we both have asthma. We both lost 8 pounds (I needed to) and several weeks.
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